#300977 - 01/23/08 07:57 PM
Re: My apology
[Re: Dammarval]
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Registered: 12/31/04
Posts: 1963
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I'm not normally one to be against apologies by any and all means.
However,
As far as this situation is concerned (and I'll even go as far as to give you the benefit of the doubt because I haven't read your previous postings), this apology doesn't come across as crisp nor sincere. It's filled with one too many excuses, and seems as if you used it to unnecessarily admit the flaws and problems that you have. Overall, it doesn't hold much air.
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#301003 - 01/23/08 10:33 PM
Re: My apology
[Re: Philotechnic]
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Praise Allah
Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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As I've mentioned in my previous posting, I'm from another culture with different set of rules, norms, including how English is written and processed, and understood. Satanism is NOT exclusive to only this country for any particular person, be it Blue, Black, Yellow, or White, nor just to any particular ethnic group.
"Go Away" could mean "Away with you", or "To hell with you", or "Forget you", or "Screw you". To me, it's which? Besides semantics, if there's any part of me you couldn't understand, I'll be very happy to fill you in. No harm done. Maybe we can learn from each other's culture and grow. What do you say?
Edited by Dammarval (01/23/08 10:34 PM)
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#301006 - 01/23/08 10:43 PM
Re: My apology
[Re: Colonel Kurtz]
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Praise Allah
Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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...should be, "Just more proof that STUPIDITY is universal".
FYI.
Edited by Dammarval (01/23/08 10:45 PM)
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#301007 - 01/23/08 10:51 PM
Re: My apology
[Re: G.F.V.]
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Praise Allah
Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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I've made no excuses. Perhaps it's the way I write. Don't know what else I could say...
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#301014 - 01/24/08 12:16 AM
Re: My apology
[Re: Dammarval]
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 327
Loc: Where I have Always Been
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Why apologize?
Apologizing changes nothing.
Not making the same mistakes, changes everything.
If you don't learn, you can't take action to change a thing.
You apparently have no Idea how to not live in the past. That is not Satanic at all.
I don't care about your apology, nor will I ever care about anyones apology. You can either learn to move forward or continue such a self destructive way of living.
There is no excuses. You either enjoy life, or you don't. Apparently, from what I see, you don't.
You can either stay and move ever forward with yourself, or you can go away, and continue to live in the past. That's completely your choice till you've crossed certain lines. It is that simple.
The thing is all you need do is pick up a simple book, read it, and compare what you read, to what you've experienced. Then the stuff you don't know, testing, researching, and actually experiencing (depending upon what it is) to find out what truly is and isn't.
There's only one reason to ever apologize, and one application of action to not make it an empty apology. To make someone feel better to suit your needs. To not make the same mistake twice if at all possible.
If I apologize to someone, the likely hood is that I like the individual enough to make an effort to make them happy. It usually ends up me being happy as well. Also basically that means, if there is some value to anyone I apologize to, then to me it is worth doing so. If there is no value to them, then I won't care at all.
However, I see no reason for an apology here. What I see is something to change, and then doing so is the only logical and rational thing to do.
What your entire "apology" tells me is, you can't adapt. If you can't adapt, you won't and can't change.
You either get it the first time, or you don't.
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#301016 - 01/24/08 12:34 AM
Re: My apology
[Re: ShadowDragon]
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Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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Hmmm....I never see it this way before. I've learned something valuable from you. Thank you.
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#301024 - 01/24/08 03:28 AM
Re: My apology
[Re: ShadowDragon]
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CoS Witch
Registered: 04/22/05
Posts: 2054
Loc: Atlanta, GA.
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Why apologize?
Apologizing changes nothing.
Not making the same mistakes, changes everything.
If you don't learn, you can't take action to change a thing.
You apparently have no Idea how to not live in the past. That is not Satanic at all. I couldn't disagree with you more. Making a sincere apology if you recognize that you have done something wrong is a brave and intelligent thing to do. It shows strength of character and maturity. Obviously, actions speak louder than words, but it is an admirable quality to be able to recognize when you have made a mistake... and we've all made mistakes. I personally would choose to handle those situations with as much thoughtfulness and class as possible, and am quick to apologize when I see that it is appropriate. I strive to surround myself with people who comport themselves in the same manner. An apology can be the first step in changing everything.... some thoughts on the Eighth Satanic Sin come to mind. Think about it. Whether this particular apology falls into the category of sincere is not relevant at the moment, I am simply replying to your ideas on the subject. However, I see no reason for an apology here. In this case, there is plenty to apologize for. When someone disrespects a member of the Hierarchy, I think a public apology is more than appropriate if someone wishes to continue to contribute to this board. (Though it sure would be swell if it was directed at the appropriate person and carried a different tone.  ) Ample reason there, don't you think?
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#301032 - 01/24/08 04:56 AM
Re: My apology
[Re: Dammarval]
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CoS Warlock
Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 1411
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I have made a couple of mistakes here, they were honest mistakes and I am careful not to repeat them. One joke I made wasn't carefully thought out but it didn't include purposefully attacking a moderator. You specifically attacked a moderator and a leader in The COS and on the board. I hear you making excuses to why you are a victim, not an apology.
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#301043 - 01/24/08 05:37 AM
Re: My apology
[Re: Bruja]
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 327
Loc: Where I have Always Been
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Making a sincere apology if you recognize that you have done something wrong is a brave and intelligent thing to do. It shows strength of character and maturity. Obviously, actions speak louder than words, but it is an admirable quality to be able to recognize when you have made a mistake... and we've all made mistakes. I agree, though I always prefer doing so on a personal level. It is meaningless without action. What I was trying to say, in an overly complicated way, is that context is everything, when it comes to apologizing. An apology is, the way I see it, not always appropriate. It all depends on what I'm apologizing for, and who I am apologizing too, if one is appropriate. In this case, there is plenty to apologize for. When someone disrespects a member of the Hierarchy, I think a public apology is more than appropriate if someone wishes to continue to contribute to this board. (though it would be nice if it was directed to the appropriate person and carried a different tone.) Ample reason there, don't you think? I wasn't aware of this, otherwise I would've simply ignored this thread (like I do a great many threads.) In this case I agree fully, and thank you for pointing out what I wasn't aware of.
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#301092 - 01/24/08 08:54 AM
Re: My apology
[Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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CoS Magistra
Registered: 07/11/01
Posts: 2851
Loc: Florida
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Okay. That is a wrap. I am touched and have no small amount of gratitude for those of you advocating on my behalf. You guys are swell. Dammarval has sent me a private apology. My feelings on that are my own. I personally have chosen not to be the person who bans him. I feel that things have become personal and waging private vendettas is not my job here. But, despite ideas to the contrary, I actually do like to help/teach, and I think we can all walk away knowing a few things that perhaps weren't clear before. 1. For the gazillionth time---The Questions About The Church of Satan forum is only to be answered by clergy, and clergy IS authorized to speak on behalf of the Church of Satan. 2. While explanations are occasionally required, excuses negate apologies. As I say to my kids, "There better not be a but at the end of that I'm sorry!" 3. Oftentimes the kindest thing you can do for someone is let them fail. And on that cheery note, I'd like to call this whole fucking thing a day. HS! Y~
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