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#301074 - 01/24/08 09:55 AM What makes us different?
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Now and again, I ask myself what makes people different from each other, that is, excepting the obvious “physical” differences.
I have spent all of my youth in Catholic and Opus Dei schools and universities and, suddenly, hearing those people talk about their own excellences, their own and only “true” God, beliefs and so on, I wondered, HOW could they be as sure as they were of their “uniqueness”.
Every single religion in this Planet teaches that their God (or deity or whatever they may believe in) is the ONE AND ONLY true God. I have got to know many religions during my life (Islamism, Catholicism, Protestantism, and some other –isms) and they all have this in common. Each one thinks to be much better than the next and to be the ONLY TRUE religion.
So, already some time ago (over 15 years), when I first got to know Satanism, I just approached it in a quite sceptic way or, if you will, trying to adopt a very “objective” point of view, obviously thinking that Satanism would also claim to bear the one and only truth about every single thing in this Earth.
My surprise was obvious as I read The Satanic Bible. For the first time I got in touch with, possibly, the first “HUMANIST” religion I got to know. As far as I know, there is no other religion existing nowadays as much focused on the Human being, it’s needs, impulses and instincts as Satanism. And even promoting them.

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

The Satanic Statements 1 and 8 by Dr. LaVey caused a deep impression on me, specially me coming from an environment FORCING people to do exactly the opposite!!! Forcing people to be ashamed of our animal nature and instincts.
To me, the Nine Satanic Statements made me see the truth for the very first time and, to me, this is precisely one of the most important subjects that makes us different from all other existing religions, beliefs, cultures and so on.
Useless to say that, on that very day, I embraced Satanism, not only as my belief, but as my form of life, for over 15 years now, and it’s been 15 years of nonstop learning.
Obviously, there are far too many ideas concerning Satanism that makes Satanism totally revolutionary to the herd, but they are too many to mention in just my little contribution here so, I am very curious to hear what do YOU think, makes us Satanists different from others?

Hail Satan!
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#301080 - 01/24/08 10:19 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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I don't talk for every Satanist, but in my personal case I can tell you what makes my religion different than all the others.

Unlike them, I have seen and touched my God.
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#301081 - 01/24/08 10:21 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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 Originally Posted By: Ghorth666

Obviously, there are far too many ideas concerning Satanism that makes Satanism totally revolutionary to the herd, but they are too many to mention in just my little contribution here so, I am very curious to hear what do YOU think, makes us Satanists different from others?

Hail Satan!



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#301082 - 01/24/08 10:23 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Old_Pig]
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Unlike them, I have seen and touched my God.


You pervert.
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#301084 - 01/24/08 10:24 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Old_Pig]
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Satanism doesn't have a metaphysical "explanation" of the world that you are required to believe in.

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#301086 - 01/24/08 10:32 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Assabrah]
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 Originally Posted By: Assabrah
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Unlike them, I have seen and touched my God.


You pervert.



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#301087 - 01/24/08 10:36 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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hell, after the introduction of the book, comes the harsh reality of people having no grasp. That's thanks to this quote below that I see how a Satanist can obviously see the difference :

"( Amazon ):"The last portion is mostly "black magic". I found this especially strange as most Satanists are atheists or agnostics themselves (worshiping Satan as a concept, not as an actual creature) and I would think this portion fo the book to be totally unnecessary. Perhaps LeVay included it to make his book appealing to an even wider audience"

Voilà, at least the 70% of people saying that they have read the book. Sad.


Edited by Assabrah (01/24/08 10:37 AM)
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#301102 - 01/24/08 11:28 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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I think Magister Nemo explained marvelously why Satanists are different from others here:

What is it that the Satanist has in our modern movement that truly delineates “us” from “them”? It is not our endearment to the symbols and costuming, the theatre of the dark side. Heavy metal rock fans do this also. It is not our embracing of a philosophy based upon rational self-interest or the glorification of the human carnal elements of Man. The philosophies of Objectivism and Humanism also meet these criteria, respectively. It is not our practice of ritual magic that makes us unique. There are all too many Wiccans, Odinists, Crowleyites and others engaged in these practices. No, it is our total rejection of any external diety or dieties including Satan which makes our movement take a vital and unique place in the stream of current events. - Magister Nemo, "Satanism Needs An Enema!"
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#301103 - 01/24/08 11:37 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Callier]
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Hadn't read that one! Thanks a lot for that, Callier.
But anyhow, my post was not so much a question, but the curiosity to hear different ideas and oppinions from the members here. I'm pretty sure every single member has a different approach and idea about what differentiates us Satanists from the herd. I was trying to focus it a little bit on that specific direction. Anyhow, maybe I was unable to express myself clearly enough (sorry for that).

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#301112 - 01/24/08 12:26 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

What makes me different from others is the fact that I'm not guilty of whatever I naturally do. Others hate themselves for doing what comes naturally for them. Or worse, their belief in a pearly gated heaven and scorching hell prevents them from being truly happy.

Satanism represents my freedom as an individual but there are consequences for my actions. If I make a mistake, I have no one else to blame but myself. Others will jump in the fire, get burned and then point the finger at the Devil.

Being a Satanist also means being elite. I won't settle for anything less. I don't tolerate mediocrity. I place my full potential in everything I do that's productive. Others see every man and woman as equal. No matter how much or little they contribute to their cause.

I love myself. I'm so great that I couldn't imagine to put anyone including some non-existant deity before me. I'm egotistical. I make things happen instead of praying for blessings. Others can't even look in the mirror because they know they're dirt!
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#301113 - 01/24/08 12:28 PM being aware of the balance. [Re: Ghorth6]
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I'm pretty sure every single member has a different approach and idea about what differentiates us Satanists from the herd.


Greetings Ghorth666,


I have a precise opinion about this.

Yes, any individual has of course a different approach about walking on the Left Hand Path. But there are also some points that are also in common. For example, this "law of the balance" :

The balance is everything in nature, and the Satanist is aware of this reality. The awareness of the balance answers to many things that the herd calls by different names- because their blind beliefs and myths.

The Satanic Bible is a wonderful definition of this polarity working, this + and - being the "dynamo" of the earth.



Edited by Assabrah (01/24/08 12:29 PM)
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#301127 - 01/24/08 01:09 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Assabrah]
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 Originally Posted By: Assabrah

"( Amazon ):"The last portion is mostly "black magic". I found this especially strange as most Satanists are atheists or agnostics themselves (worshiping Satan as a concept, not as an actual creature) and I would think this portion fo the book to be totally unnecessary. Perhaps LeVay included it to make his book appealing to an even wider audience"

Voilà, at least the 70% of people saying that they have read the book. Sad.


What's really sad, is that many of the people coming to these boards, claiming the title Satanists, have this approach.
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#301132 - 01/24/08 01:32 PM One word: [Re: Ghorth6]
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Magic.
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#301256 - 01/25/08 06:01 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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What makes us different?
or
What do we all have in common?

The Satanic Bible
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#301260 - 01/25/08 06:31 AM Re: One word: [Re: $lesk]
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 Originally Posted By: Slesk
Magic.


In a sense, it is religion gone full circle. It all began with paleolithic "hunter magic" and the creation of "total environments" to this end and purpose. Ceremony and ritual was economically focused on the purpose of ACHIEVING something quite specific. Since then religion has become obese with the most unbelievable bullshit and nonsense, until Satanism finally crystallised as the end product of this evolution, and the "grand unfying theory" of nature and culture.

What makes Satanists different is that we ARE nature, but relate to culture pretty much the same way that the paleolithic hunters related to THEIR environment.

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#301284 - 01/25/08 08:31 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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#301293 - 01/25/08 09:43 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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Edgar Allen Poe sums it up nicely for me.

"Alone"
From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were; I have not seen
As others saw; I could not bring
My passions from a common spring.
From the same source I have not taken
My sorrow; I could not awaken
My heart to joy at the same tone;
And all I loved, I loved alone.
Then- in my childhood, in the dawn
Of a most stormy life- was drawn
From every depth of good and ill
The mystery which binds me still:
From the torrent, or the fountain,
From the red cliff of the mountain,
From the sun that round me rolled
In its autumn tint of gold,
From the lightning in the sky
As it passed me flying by,
From the thunder and the storm,
And the cloud that took the form
(When the rest of Heaven was blue)
Of a demon in my view.

I am different because I always have been, I just found a name for it.
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#301332 - 01/25/08 12:51 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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I love myself. Few people on this planet can honestly say the same, and I think this is a large reason that they go looking for some external salve to make their own self loathing into love. This is why the idea of original sin, in all of it's forms, is such a popular idea.

What sets the Satanist apart? I can only say what sets me apart, but I think other Satanists share this quality: that we love ourselves more than anything else, and we reject the idea that we and/or the universe we live in is somehow flawed.

I love myself, I accept the universe as is, and I seek to make a life of joy from this. This is what sets me apart from the herd.
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#301334 - 01/25/08 12:57 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Jack_Lantern]
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Well said! That about sums it up here, I think.

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#301418 - 01/25/08 07:42 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Libertarianism, Atheism, Sexual liberation, Epicureanism, Objectivism...what makes Satanism different?

1. All of these things combined- you will absolutely NOT find another philosophy that combines all of these elements. For example, even though they may seem similar, objectivism and libertarianism normally don't mix, because objectivists consider libertarians evil.

2. Dogma- you can have a million glittering philosophies and they will mean nothing to you, because you don't believe in anything! You have to BELIEVE...IN SOMETHING. My best friend would say, "who are you?" "I'm a libertarian". "No! Who ARE you? Those are your politics. What do you believe in?" LaVey addressed this by explaining why he's not just a Humanist. Like he said, psychology tells you wonderful things, but it does not have the emotional impact needed to bring it to life that dogma, conviction, and ritual do. Psychology patients think they are responsible for their own lives. Satanists TRULY BELIEVE that they are their own Gods.

3. You will absolutely NOT find another group of people in the world who simultaneously believe that 1) Might is Right and 2) women are not inherently worthless, minorities are not the dogs of the earth, let alone that they can be their own Gods. The few who believe Might is Right look at it extremely simplistically, in terms of brute physical force. No other belief system places Might is Right and social Darwinistic stratification in an individualistic paradigm, rather than in terms of men over women or whites over blacks.

4. Misanthropia, refusal to feign morality- you can tell if a person is not divorced from the herd if he says he doesn't like people and then rushes to qualify his statements. The same goes for people who discuss morals. They'll say morality is relative and then rush to qualify that they're not amoral, that they think some events were evil, etc. They don't stick to their guns!

There are many more points on this issue but in the interest of time and space I will just end here.

HS!


Edited by ConquerOrPerish (01/25/08 07:45 PM)
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#301423 - 01/25/08 07:54 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: $lesk]
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 Originally Posted By: Slesk
 Originally Posted By: Assabrah

"( Amazon ):"The last portion is mostly "black magic". I found this especially strange as most Satanists are atheists or agnostics themselves (worshiping Satan as a concept, not as an actual creature) and I would think this portion fo the book to be totally unnecessary. Perhaps LeVay included it to make his book appealing to an even wider audience"

Voilà, at least the 70% of people saying that they have read the book. Sad.


What's really sad, is that many of the people coming to these boards, claiming the title Satanists, have this approach.



The first time I read "The Satanic Bible", I gave it to a trusted confidante. Her summation was the same as that pasted by Warlock Assabrah. In fact, it was verbatim.

I feel safe in asserting that the motive of Dr. LaVey was quite the opposite. He was targeting an audience of narrower scope. ;\)
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#301486 - 01/26/08 12:21 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Callier]
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 Originally Posted By: Callier
It is not our practice of ritual magic that makes us unique. There are all too many Wiccans, Odinists, Crowleyites and others engaged in these practices. No, it is our total rejection of any external diety or dieties including Satan which makes our movement take a vital and unique place in the stream of current events.

Doesn't that also apply to Taoism, most traditions of Buddhism like Theravada, and atheistic neopagans?
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#301605 - 01/26/08 03:42 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Drakein]
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I am different because I am. I cannot explain why, or exactly what makes me so...but like another dear member stated: I have always known I was different; I just found a name for what I am.

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#301647 - 01/26/08 08:08 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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I know what makes me different - I don't think about what makes me different. I enjoy life and find satisfaction in the things that I enjoy. I don't stop to think if what I'm doing at the time is somehow unique or confined within the same box of interests that make other Satanists different.

I should think that a natural indifference to the status quo is enough to establish authentic Satanists as different. I also suspect that none of them care, unless they choose to care for reasons of their own.

Group acceptance and convenient pigeonholing is for the masses, and most of them don't know the difference between self-interested discrimination and compulsive huddling. Nor could they do a damn thing about it, even if they did.

So there you have it, that's what makes "us" different, that "we" are individuals that generally steer clear of the 'we's' and 'us's', and prefer the 'me's'.


Edited by Poetaster (01/26/08 08:14 PM)
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#301676 - 01/26/08 10:52 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Drakein]
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 Originally Posted By: drakein

Doesn't that also apply to Taoism, most traditions of Buddhism like Theravada, and atheistic neopagans?


Although Taoism has different branches with varying beliefs, one of their main structures consist of aligning themselves spiritually with cosmic forces.

Theravada's ultimate goal is Nibbana, which is believed to be the point where the Buddhist is free from the repeated cycle of life and death. To them, it may take many lifetimes for one to achieve this goal. Not theistic in the least but quite spiritual nevertheless.

As far as "atheistic neopagans" are concerned, it's an oxymoron. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm aware that most Neopagan religions are polytheistic.
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#301739 - 01/27/08 10:14 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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Quite related with this matter, it can be easily said that "difference" is sheer numbers game. Although sometimes, it all becomes problematic because some people assert (show, talk, etc.) so much their difference, they no longer are so. Leads me to think that a degree of indifference becomes real handy. One wastes time asserting his difference, as most who do so are being shallowly different (or if they are at all). Being different shall never lose its mystique when not asserted, so why bother? Just a thought, though. Cheers!
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#301767 - 01/27/08 02:52 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: Ghorth6]
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what do YOU think, makes us Satanists different from others?


I never think of the word Satanist in terms of 'us', but rather in terms of 'me'. I have only met a handful of people in my life that called themselves Satanists, and I didn't see one thing about them that was different from the herd.

The ability to quote verbatim every song lyric ever made by Marilyn Manson, or wearing a dozen inverted crosses never struck me as being Satanic.

I even told one person I met several years ago that if she represented what Satanism was, I would become a born again xian right away. Somehow, she didn't find that too amusing. \:\/
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#301773 - 01/27/08 03:18 PM Re: What makes us different? [Re: spook show]
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Now, TWO dozen inverted crosses; instant Satanist. Who needs the Satanic philosophy? All that is needed to be "Grand Magus Lementoire Valcarious Of The Ninth Church of Satan" is 24 cheaply made pieces of plastic on black string. Forget applying for "active membership." A half a pound of anti-christian "jewelery" should do the trick!

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#301911 - 01/28/08 09:48 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Forget applying for "active membership." A half a pound of anti-christian "jewelery" should do the trick!


Come now, Phosis! Everyone knows you must worship the band deicide and mutilate your body in some manner to achieve that level. Sheesh!
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#301915 - 01/28/08 10:02 AM Re: What makes us different? [Re: spook show]
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Come now, Phosis! Everyone knows you must worship the band deicide and mutilate your body in some manner to achieve that level. Sheesh!


Dammit, your right...guess I'm guilty of the number one Satanic sin...not listening to death metal!

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