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#301502 - 01/26/08 03:43 AM Is emotion a strength or a weakness?
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I find that in the face of criminals and the deserving I am seen as a monster, as I lack certain emotional qualities that people feel all human "beings" deserve, and that they deserve the same quality of emotions. I'm sorry but if a man kills a child I feel more anger towards him than if he stole a pack of gum. If he killed my child my wrath would be so great I could forsake my own life to destroy his. However, my emotions are like a pendulum.
I find that when I hear the sweet laughter of my daughter my heart burns to such a degree with joy, that I find myself welling up with tears. When I see any child suffer, though I know that at times it is neccassary for stratification to commence, it tears me up inside. To see a child given the opportunity to indulge, to experience, makes me happy.
But what I want to know is how much emotion is a bad thing? It may make me seem weak, but I find myself crying at movies. Is it normal by any sense to find yourself bursting with emotion, so much that you have a hard time finding enough outlets to get it all out. I know that Satanism embraces emotions unlike the "cold fish" out there, but is there a point where you have to much emotion? Does anybody else find themselves in this situation?
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#301505 - 01/26/08 04:10 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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The short answer would be that it depends on how you use them, really. It can go both ways, and as it is with a great many things, is all a matter of perspective.
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#301507 - 01/26/08 05:06 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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I find myself in the same situations, I too feel extremes of emotion and I allow myself to do so as I am human and we feel emotions so its only natural.

Conversely there are times when I will not allow myself to feel to accomplish something I would find difficult otherwise so sometimes it could be a weakness not to keep your emotions in check, its all a matter of common sense so if you have that you should be safe.

I would say that emotions are an indulgence and a natural occurance and sometimes you cant stop them from happening so on those occasions I wouldn't even try.

If your worried about the masculine fallacy that we should not show emotions then don't be, a man that can show his emotions to the right people is much much stronger than those who deny themselves this, some call it our "feminine side" I say its a part of every man, why should only women be allowed to feel this way?.

Joy brings strength, and in order to feel true joy you would have to feel true sadness otherwise what would you have to compare it to?

A final thought would be don't allow your emotions to control your thoughts unless its very necessary, for example in a life or death situation you will want to feel fear to get that adrenalin pumping so you can deal with whatever it is.
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#301511 - 01/26/08 06:45 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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I think the only times when an emotion is a bad thing is when it dominates you and irrational behavior ensues from it- i.e., destroying your own property in a fit of rage because you got pissed off at a bad driver, etc. or when it dominates you so much that you actually start to feel bad emotionally or it causes you harm.

In the former example, you may have purged your rage, but at what cost? Your own property was destroyed because of some inconsequential circumstance. In the latter example, unless one is a masochist, why would anyone want to feel bad?

Satanism provides a way to deal with powerful emotions that seem to be bursting at the seams:

Ritual


Edited by Fenriz (01/26/08 06:46 AM)

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#301531 - 01/26/08 08:37 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Fenriz]
Max Faust Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Fenriz
Ritual


Absolutely Bingo!

Passion is very good.

Controlled passion, however, is power.

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#301532 - 01/26/08 08:40 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Fenriz]
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Bingo Fenriz! Emotion can be a great motivator unless it is so intense that it distracts you from "normal" living. Then the perfect prescription is just as you described- a ritual!

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#301551 - 01/26/08 10:21 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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I don't think that there can be such a thing as too much emotion. Emotion is what brings magic to life, that ultimate spice that makes the whole stew worthwhile. They bring fulfillment, joy and happiness.

First of all I would like to say that not all emotions are positive. Love and caring are emotions that bring warmth into your heart, they are the best opium. I know how my heart trembles and how my soul dances when I am with my boyfriend whom I love most of all, I know how fulfilled I feel after time spent with him. It's a wonderful sensation ;\)

On the other hand, there are emotions out there (or in there, if you like) – that do the same thing – but with negative connotations. Pain, sadness, hatred and the will to destroy. I believe that although these emotions are negative, as they motivate one with opposite tendencies than those coming from love and caring – one should not ignore these emotions, they should be embraced and harvested like any other emotion. Not everything is love, and not everything is hatred. This is where the mind comes into play.

In my ideal world, love would be the only emotion – it would be enough, and happiness coming from such unconditional love would be never-ending. But in this world, which is very far from my ideal – certain conditions are set – and one needs the mind to decide which things are worthy of certain emotions. One needs to fall back to the logic of self-preservation – to decide who is worthy of love and who is worthy of hatred.

Emotions, if not handled properly – are a time bomb. If ALL emotions are not externalized, in one way or another – they destroy one from within. I see all emotions as creative energy.

But it is an energy which needs to be directed and handled, that's what the mind does. Direction of emotions, thus energy, is what gives them power, it is what shapes them – it is what defines them – to the one that feels and to the object of those feelings. Mixed emotions bring confusion, hesitation – and suffering in the end.

If one masters this art of direction, then he or she is able to give only love to loved ones, and only hatred to those that would destroy him. I know it sounds simple, but it is very far from being simple. That is the way to purity of emotions – and pure emotions are most powerful – absolute love for whom I love, absolute destruction for whom I hate. It is the way of survival in this world.

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#301574 - 01/26/08 11:57 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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From my experience, there’s one very simple thing, which helped me a great deal to balance my emotions: Acknowledging reality. That is, the context upon which things happen, human nature, and the nature of the environment.
It sure doesn’t prevent you from feeling overwhelmed at times, but it somehow triggers a nearly automatic mechanism, that helps you to make the “big picture”, almost immediately, and discard the extra load.
I think Satanism has a lot of tools that enhance our capability to keep emotions in balance being rituals, definitely one of them.
By just reading the 11 Satanic Rules on Earth and the 9 Satanic Sins, one will find most of what it takes to prevent some pretty nasty emotions, which paradoxically make it so hard for some to allow their emotions to flow.

october1560


Edited by leonor (01/26/08 12:00 PM)
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#301582 - 01/26/08 01:03 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: leonor]
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Emotion is an interesting thing. People here are right that it depends on how you use it and what you do with it that counts.

In some ways, it may be easier to go through life with a stiff upper lip and a steely eye. To love is to risk losing that which is loved, for example, while all emotions, in some measure, cause us to a modicum of control. Emotions can drive us to distraction. And, people can make fun of us or deride us for feeling a certain way, or even try to manipulate us through our feelings.

But, on the other hand, while emotion may make one vulnerable, it also adds a great deal of colour to life. It makes life more interesting, more worth living. It also helps us to make decisions and evaluate our priorities and values in a way pure reason cannot. Passions give us a reason to wake up in the morning, and keep moving forward.

So, no rain, no rainbows, I suppose. Emotion's a mixed bag--and, as people have noted, how you deal with or channel your individual emotions can make a great deal of difference.
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#301599 - 01/26/08 03:22 PM it's all ok [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
Assabrah Offline
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Except if you want to become a robot....


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but I find myself crying at movies


Then what, do you say this because you are a man ? I just say bravo to you saying this, keep your "soul child".

The balance is everything, animals have feelings, wolves still howl under the moon and no one truly know why, just stay yourself, it's all ok.

Hail Dynamo !

Hail Hertz !



Edited by Assabrah (01/26/08 03:23 PM)
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#301672 - 01/26/08 09:35 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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A book I've read states that the unconscious mind does most of the reasoning for us, then gives you some form of primal feedback (emotions, gut feelings, etc.) that will directly affect the way you respond to certain events. The author states that the mind comes hardwired with a set of moral standards that are a basic guideline of interaction.

It was an interesting read. Straying from the central point of the book I've come to conclude that some people are more dependant on emotional responses than others. Some people are incapable of critical reasoning (when I say "some" I'm clearly being sarcastic) and to them relying fully on emotions and in prerecorded replies (a good example being religious dogma or an answering machine) is the only way to go. However when you have the ability to actually put to reason what you’re feeling you can make much more effective responses. I'm not trying to undermine the importance of feelings though. As some have stated, the best rout is to focus them.

I haven't met anyone who has gotten married and had children simply because they felt like spreading their genes.

Life would suck without emotion. I'd only choose life without emotion over death. Need I say more? \:\/

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#301674 - 01/26/08 09:44 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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Thank you all for your responses. They were all truly appreciated. HS!
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#301689 - 01/27/08 01:12 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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I've had my fair share of unemotional times and can easily say that I prefer having feelings more than feeling nothing. What I mean is that I have had bouts of Bi-polar in the past where I would not care about anything for weeks until some kind of good news or situation came my way to get me out of that funk. I didn't wanna get personal but someone might have read that and taken it the wrong way. On the flip side, during manic times i've had in the past, too much emotion can be harmful because you might find that it is hard to replicate those feelings on a consistent basis. Like if you listen to a great CD a few too many times in a maniacal state it won't seem that interesting in a more normal state of mind. When they say "everything in moderation" everyone should take note that should apply to brain chemistry as well. I've gotten better because I just take a 5-HTP when I need it and the caffeine and cigarettes do the rest.

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#301746 - 01/27/08 11:00 AM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: TrojZyr]
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A little add-on to my previous post:

It goes both ways: While discarding the extra-load, it will ALLOW emotions to flow. That's the beauty of it.
i.e Ressentment and trauma, are two major obstacles to love.

october1560
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#302033 - 01/28/08 06:45 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: leonor]
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I think the emotion of aggression is quite useful in keeping fuckheads at bay. If you have a tough exterior people won't try to start. Failing that, passive anger is useful. Joy is a decent form of resistance, and of course happiness is good. Other emotions I think are weaknesses.
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#302036 - 01/28/08 06:48 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: leonor]
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 Originally Posted By: leonor
From my experience, there’s one very simple thing, which helped me a great deal to balance my emotions: Acknowledging reality. That is, the context upon which things happen, human nature, and the nature of the environment.


I totally agree.
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#302050 - 01/28/08 07:33 PM It is neither. [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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An emotion is an extremely quick, subconscious evaluation of some experience based on your previous assumptions about similar experiences and which is summed up and delivered to your conscious awareness as a feeling, a kinesthetic response.

The only question is whether or not your emotional responses are appropriate to your situation. As an instant guideline to your world, your emotions may be based on appropriate thinking or not.

The good news is that you can reprogram your emotional responses by thinking differently and no longer acting on former poor thinking.

One example for doing so is ceremonial ritual. Performing a Satanic ritual in which you do denounce anti-human ethics and shout "Hail Satan!" is an abyss which, once crossed, has a permanent effect upon you.

This is also one reason why it is so common to find people who come here and have so many "problems" with the ritual side of Satanism. Often, they are simply still afraid of the "consequences". Their emotional programming from a Judeo-Christian culture is still in control despite their conscious assumptions.

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#302051 - 01/28/08 07:35 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: ConquerOrPerish]
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My opinions are the following: Emotions are a part of us, and they are part of human nature, and part of the animal. There is a time and a place for certain emotions (such as the elements relevant to Greater Magic) and those, which you give out to those who deserve it. I do not waste emotion on those who conflict with my state of being who do not have the influence to touch them, and in some cases… even some members of my own blood cannot touch me in this way.

No one can tell you how much emotion you hold over a loved one, they can guess or imagine, but it is not absolute. This in my opinion is only relevant to you and the one you feel for, such as your daughter. She is a life you created after all, and something to be proud of. Your natural instincts normally would suggest you wish to protect her at the expense of your own life perhaps, she is your blood, and thus the bond is created. The way you described that touched me, actually. But I will stick to my points.

No one can tell you when to not cry at the things you find upsetting, whether fictional or not. Perhaps you relate to it in a way, or find solace in the fictional world and the director and actors do their jobs at touching your emotions. If so, great for you!

There are those who may hold expectations of you, to with strain yourself from an emotional outburst in any situation. For example, a hypothetical situation: I am out with friends at a bar and someone bursts into tears. I would find this discomforting if it were someone I cared for, not necessarily wrong. That depends on whether the reason is important to the person or not, or a result of stupidity which they later admit to. While in the situation I find myself treading carefully for words as upsetting friends is not something I can allow to pass without my emotions interfering and saying "Hey, you were a prick, now feel guilt!"
If that were the case, I learn and get it right next time. If it wasn't for guilt, I would not be able to identify those I care for from the binary opposition point of view. Sure, I would have the 'good' elements, but without the other you cannot truly appreciate either.

Another situation would be inside another’s lair or my own, which may cause them discomfort or myself depending on the respectable lair and owner, and I find reason to allow myself into a vulnerable state of expression for anything I find meaningful, or something which has a solution at the end, then by all means. I set these conditions in this scenario, as I find no comfort in words used merely to smokescreen the problem at hand. I find more of an annoying undertone should they offer me words of comfort with no actual solution to the problem, which leads to anger and can cause problems, especially if in their lair; I would have to excuse myself.

I do hold back on my emotions a lot while in public places on the whole, as I feel comfortable doing so as being the centre of attention is not something I personally like to find myself in unless I am completely comfortable within the environment and/or people. The higher reason to this unfortunately, which may not be any use to this topic which I apologise for it’s irrelevance but will input it regardless; I do not recall ever being placed in this situation, but have previously simulated the idea in my own mind, and have come to the previously stated conclusion pretty fast.

As for some of the previous posts I completely agree with the mentioning which speaks of allowing your emotions not to control you. Allow them to be a part of me? Yes, but to allow them to be me irrationally has the possibility of destroying what I stand for. I won’t go into what I stand for because I have a tendency to surprise myself.

I do not wish to sound like I am stating the obvious, or that any should follow this particular opinion, I just wish to get involved and write what everyone else has pretty much already said before me, but differently to how my mind works. If you do find this useful, then it has served its primary purpose.:)

- Damien


Edited by Pact_Primeval (01/28/08 08:19 PM)

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#302052 - 01/28/08 07:37 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: Pact_Primeval]
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I think Magister Nemo went and hit the nail on the head.

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#302067 - 01/28/08 08:40 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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Dr. LaVey created the Church of Satan as a means of healthy ritual and to endulge in the things in life that make you happy. You said it yourself: "Satanists embrace emotion unlike the cold fish." There is no shame in feeling emotion, but it is wise to indeed learn control.
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#302209 - 01/29/08 12:29 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Nemo]
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Indeed!

Granted, changing reactions and assumptions into something different--whether through ritual, or through a kind of cogntive-psych process, or through some other means--can be an involved process, but it's certainly worth it, if it allows you to lead an increasingly successful and happy life, and eliminate more and more of the things that really bother or inconvenience you.
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#302280 - 01/29/08 06:57 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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Great topic, and one I have thought about once or twice. I think its inherently neutral. Emotion isn't a good or bad thing, and it can't be since all people are born with it. (barring the rare medical condition.) Magister Nemo said it best; it all depends on the the situation amount of emotion used. I think rather then focusing on the good or bad emotional aspect, I look to see how I can use it best. I think its a tool like instinct.

Say in a confrontation I want to make my opponent look like an idiot; then perhaps I won't over-react or argue back with him. So I check my emotions. Perhaps in another situation I want something someone else is holding from me. Perhaps I know their susceptible to "having the strings of their heart pulled" so I lay on some emotion in order to obtain what I need.

Overall, Emotion is neutral because we all have it. We can no longer totally get rid of it then we can label it one definitive positive or negative. Its all about the application and use for it that can be determined either good or bad.


Edited by Rocker606 (01/29/08 06:57 PM)

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#302287 - 01/29/08 07:33 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Rocker606]
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I agree with you rocker.

I have times where I get extremely emotional, usually when people I care about are hurt, or turning hurt towards me. Stops me dead in my tracks and I've reacted completely irrationally. Either by acting generally nasty or tuning the world out, or just simply crying. I'm lucky enough to be able to blame it on hormones! \:D

Buuut seriously, I think if we all wandered around like cyborgs the world wouldn't be nearly as creative and interestingly diverse a place as it is currently. Passion keeps things going. It's an equally fantastic and creepy emotion, depending on what your particular passion is. Still pretty necessary to get anything done.
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#302291 - 01/29/08 07:39 PM Re: It is neither. [Re: Nemo]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemo


When you walk your talk, you will come to feel your walk.



I like that. Satanism is not just another intellectual excercise.

Great sentence.
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#302317 - 01/29/08 10:20 PM Re: It is neither. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Yes.

This is supposed to be a carnal religion, and carnal means the body, and the body has feelings.

We are not supposed to drop the body and live in fantasy.

Mind + Body = Satanism

(At least both of those elements would seem to need to be present. ;\) )

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#302326 - 01/29/08 11:20 PM Re: It is neither. [Re: Nemo]
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Magister Nemo, may I suggest one small correction?

Mind = Body = Satanism ;\)
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#302330 - 01/29/08 11:36 PM Not today, thank you. [Re: Svengali]
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Sorry, Magister Svengali, but I am not going to touch this issue with a ten-foot pole in this public forum.

And unless someone puts me on a payroll to make a full time job out of it, I don't think I can be induced to do so anywhere downstairs either!

I'll just stick with a simple Mind + Body = Satanism and let the crazed nitpickers do what they will!

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#302332 - 01/29/08 11:49 PM Re: Not today, thank you. [Re: Nemo]
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Haha! Understood! ;\)
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"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
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#303605 - 02/03/08 01:42 PM Re: Is emotion a stength or a weakness? [Re: ConquerOrPerish]
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It's productive if you have control of your emotions, and it shows that you have the inner strength to be master of your own self and mind; but if you allow these emotions to control you it is a sign of weakness, because now you're in the passenger's seat, and you're letting other people and situations control you indirectly. Rituals are a good way to purge yourself of emotions that are big.
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#304704 - 02/07/08 08:32 AM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Shegeek]
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 Originally Posted By: Shegeek


Buuut seriously, I think if we all wandered around like cyborgs the world wouldn't be nearly as creative



I agree...

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#304765 - 02/07/08 04:07 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: LightAngel]
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 Originally Posted By: LightAngel
 Originally Posted By: Shegeek


Buuut seriously, I think if we all wandered around like cyborgs the world wouldn't be nearly as creative



I agree...


One of the biggest issues I have with Objectivism (from what I've read so far) is that Rand's only problem with Nietzsche was his focus on emotions, whereas she emphasizes (again, from what I have read, and I may be totally wrong overall) pure logic and "reason".

The biggest problem with "throwing out emotion", in theoretical fictions, is that they always lose their ingenuity.

One could argue Tesla threw out the idea of romantic love, from what we know -- but one could equally retort with that his true love seemed to be his work.

To me, it is neither a strength nor weakness, unless taken to an extreme -- and then, whether it is a strength or weakness depends entirely on the situation, and one's perspective.
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#304794 - 02/07/08 06:02 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Darkahn]
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 Originally Posted By: Darkahn


One of the biggest issues I have with Objectivism (from what I've read so far) is that Rand's only problem with Nietzsche was his focus on emotions, whereas she emphasizes (again, from what I have read, and I may be totally wrong overall) pure logic and "reason".




That's why I like Nietzsche. One thing I appreciate about Rand is that she stated that any decision made contrary to self-interest is unethical.
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#305060 - 02/08/08 09:06 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: LightAngel]
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 Originally Posted By: LightAngel
 Originally Posted By: Shegeek


Buuut seriously, I think if we all wandered around like cyborgs the world wouldn't be nearly as creative



I agree...

Ooh, are all you Danishes as hot as you, or are you just special? Your burning with brimstone.
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#305074 - 02/08/08 10:12 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Hiram007]
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I think Satanism is changing me for the better.

For example:

I work in a major transportation hub. There are a LOT of homeless. Not the family that's down on their luck, but the smelly hardcore drug addled/psychotic dregs. They are constantly begging for money. I used to feel sorry for them, now it's anger. I told him to take a hike and stared at him until he left. I felt no guilt. I think I'm evolving. Kindness to those who deserve it. I'm tired of leeches.

Hail Satan
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#305078 - 02/08/08 10:26 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Hiram007]
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 Originally Posted By: Hiram007
Ooh, are all you Danishes as hot as you, or are you just special?


I think you'll find that it's "danes". Danish is a pastry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_pastry

the pastries are pretty hot when they leave the oven though - but mostly brimstone is not an ingredient
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#305094 - 02/09/08 12:29 AM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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I know that Satanism embraces emotions unlike the "cold fish" out there, but is there a point where you have to much emotion?


Do you make value judgments based on consequences or intentions? Once you have determined this, the answer should be obvious.
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#305191 - 02/09/08 09:38 AM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: verszou]
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 Originally Posted By: verszou
 Originally Posted By: Hiram007
Ooh, are all you Danishes as hot as you, or are you just special?


I think you'll find that it's "danes". Danish is a pastry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_pastry

the pastries are pretty hot when they leave the oven though - but mostly brimstone is not an ingredient



Thanks for the laugh dear

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#305252 - 02/09/08 01:12 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: Darkahn]
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Pure logic and reason are characteristics of a machine. And the machine does what a machine does, without enjoyment and/or pleasure.

All art for instance, is nothing..... if it has no emotion.

The best comparison here would be a comparison of a painting and a photograph. Although the photograph may be more accurate, reasonable and logical, the painting is the one that has emotional intensity, and that's what gives it an impact.

An artist sees in nature that what is hidden, and captures it – putting the emotions on canvas, and a camera cannot do that.

I don't see how one could be extremely emotional. I see reason and emotions both as an ideal synergy – emotions give reason a meaning, and reason gives emotions protection. How they work together is an entirely different story.

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#305344 - 02/09/08 10:59 PM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: LightAngel]
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I don't see how one could be extremely emotional.


Intense emotions are the key to magic. I personally allow myself to experience my emotions to whatever intensity the moment calls for if I feel it would benefit me. Sometimes it is malevolent anger, sever anguish or the elated ecstasy of happiness. It can be cathartic to experience an emotion so intensely.

When I am out and about among others you couldn't tell that I may have been, just hours before, pacing around in a fervor and untying my emotional knots.

Allowing distractions to divert my attention from my personal needs can result in such an emotional buildup. I find that being creative circumvents buildup and keeps me healthy.
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#305681 - 02/11/08 11:55 AM Re: Is emotion a strength or a weakness? [Re: TheNaturalForce]
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Creativity is definitely a good way to avoid emotional buildups

Through canvas, or words, or by whatever other means – the creator can convey the emotions from her/his heart. And in this way – art is a fantastic phenomenon.......... different emotions give rise to different creations, taking into account, of course, that the artist is putting his or her heart into the art.

In this way, emotions can be sublimed from one form into another, that is why creativity is very healthy.

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