You know, as long as its legal in a fashion (and I bet you could call spitting in the face assault, with AIDS and such about) I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment of this article. I propose the asshole amendment to legalize the physical punishment of assholes by the public.

That's not even a fistfight. It's instant karma.

This is actually a serious issue. It is not too long ago that the natural, quick way of responding to insults of a certain degree would be to punch the motherfucker on the nose and be done with it - and nobody saw anything unnatural or wrong with this.

Some things beckon rage - and rage needs to be expressed.

This way or that way.

Of course, nowadays you have to worry about being sued for damages, being criminally prosecuted for violence, and on top of it all probably have to suffer some kind of "educational" program - such as some psycho anger managment classes, etc.

You might as well bite it there and then - before going home to unload this emotional cargo by flaming all such fucking retards with your most passionate hatred, in ritual.

But it just doesn't satisfy in the same way that the old school correctional method of a punch on the nose would do. Also, people were in general much more careful about what they said and did back when they knew that there would be repercaussions, and that they would arrive CIF really fast...

I think I'm with you on this one. The days of 'playground justice' are gone, and with it, any sort of accountability.

When I was growing up, If I were to tell a larger kid to "screw off", I knew what was coming next. I understood what the consequences would be, and either planned for it or learned from it. Now, you've got a lot of pencil necks who KNOW they can get away with running at the mouth, mud-checking you, or whatever. It's a shame. Any more, you're supposed to feel shame for being mightier than the 'other guy' - regardless of how a situation started.

Is it really illegal to give the guy that directly provoked you what he asked for?

Thanks.
Now I remember why I stay home and shun group activities.

I think each situation will have a different set of circumstances - truthfully, the lawyers figure that out. Unfortunately, in this situation, I have a feeling the guy administering the ass-whoopin' will be the one getting charged...

Gee, who would ever think you'd come across any assholes in a bar?

Now I'm glad I don't go out drinking as much as I used to. I have to deal with enough shitheads every day at work, I sure as hell don't want to deal with them on my leisure time.

However satisfying it may be on a visceral level, please note that Satanism counsels VERY STRONGLY and UNAMBIGUOUSLY AGAINST assault or other violent crime.

In most jurisdictions you are allowed to use violence ONLY in self-defense, and then, ONLY in proportion to the threat. ("Proportion" means, you only use as much violence as you need to make yourself safe, and no more.)

There are other ways to deal with assholes in public. Get creative with your language, or talk to the proprietor or a cop who might be handy.

Exactly. Thus, the staying at home and avoiding group activities thing, minimizing contact with...you know. Not that my presence is that great a thing; but, if I am inclined to gather, that is saying a lot. Party of one: Priceless.

I feel exactly the same way.

Most barfights break out over the most ridiculous situations, ranging from looking at one's girlfriend, sitting "too close" to someone, accidentally spilling a drink, or just plain old "I'm drunk, tougher than you, and want to kick your ass because I'm the man" type of nonsense.

I prefer buying my own alcohol and drinking it at home on my own time. I don't have to worry about idiots making loud noise, singing terribly to a jukebox, picking random fights, or playing their petty dominance games.

And you don't have to worry about not knowing anyone there.

>>I prefer buying my own alcohol and drinking it at home on my own time.

I find drinking on my own time in the comfort of my own home the most rewarding. Perhaps even at a friend's house with some good conversation.

I have gotten snotty comments from some, "You drink at home by yourself? That is a bit lonely isn't it?" My reply, "Sure beats being around monkeys and their monkey problems."

I understand the comments made about avoiding the idiots and the headache that comes with confrontation (legalities, etc). There is certainly alot to be said for choosing one's battles. But here's a small confession....

Some women actually like to see men fight.

Not necessarily in barroom brawls. May be in the boxing ring or the almost instant appeal of soldiers. May be a bloodthirsty primal animalistic instinct... I don't know. Smacking skin, cracking skulls, growls and grunts. The blood rushing in your ears and the adrenaline keying you up. I just really enjoy watching men beat the shit out of each other. Obviously, there is a time and place for everything though.

Not exactly on topic but I thought I'd throw that out there.

>>Some women actually like to see men fight.

So who do you want me to fight?

Awww, you say the sweetest things.

"He did, and shortly thereafter, he loosed a throat pony into my face."

This is one I have never heard before...throat pony.

LOL agreed. I have a master list of people I agree to associate myself with (including any real Satanists of course) and I'm compiling a list of total environment activities LOL!

And even if you are forced into defending yourself against an assailant, you had better assume that you will be going downtown and having to explain your actions to a judge in the morning.

"Might Makes Right" but the judge and police are more mighty than the macho fool who wants to just think with his fists.

The kind of people who do assume otherwise as a way of life are not known as Satanists.

They are known as convicts.

A person is allowed a to use reasonable amount of force in self-defence. You still have to justify your actions, either to the PD or a Judge. I worked as a bouncer for four years, my experience tells me to stay at home with the wife and kids.

Magister Nemo, unfortunately, is right. A guy I work with just spent a weekend in jail. A drunk guy threw a drink in his face. He had the normal reaction of breaking the guys nose. For defending himself he gets a free room at Hotel Jail, and is facing a law suit for breaking the guys nose and whatever fines and and charges are going to be brought up. There was once a time of honor, now the world is full of weasels and its better just to stay home or among friends.

You mean...like "some men" like to see a cat fight?

What!? I'm just saying...

That, sir, is a spectator sport. In the running for the Olympics, I believe.

I believe I remember Magister Nemo talking about these "HIPPIES" in another post, And I agree: they are the black footed, hpyocrites.

My thoughts are that hippies tend to be known as pot smoking, peace loving dead beats. In the end they are just like any of us: Greedy, animalistic and human. He spit in your face because like some people in this world he felt himself above you somehow. I hate these types of people.

I'm with you on this one sis

As to deciding "enough is enough" and taking action;
The last time this happened to me was in high school, in history class; a few boys decided to spit water on my friends and I.
The teacher who was present is one of the most helpless, weak, submissive women I've ever known.
She did nothing (welcome to the insider's truth of Israeli education).
So I got up and confronted them. One of them laughed in my face, so I slapped him (not very hard- just to make a point).
In response, he punched me in the head.

Being a woman, I must say this was a new situation for me, and I was quite stunned.
I should have expected this, but I really didn't.
When I was younger, and much taller than the boys, I used to kick the shit out of them when they got on my nerves (precious little me).
But at that time, realizing this is no longer the situation, I gave it up and called the authority that could handle it.

All that was done, eventually, is move those guys from my class.
I think they should have given them detention- but I know better than to expect real education.

Do I, in retrospective, wish I fought back?
Emotionally, I really really do- even if I'd surely lose.
But rationally I know I made the right calculation of what's best for me in the long run.

I wouldn't had asked them to stop clapping in the first place. That's just asking for trouble. I would've just left the place without saying a single word. I avoid fights as much as possible.

I do remember a few years ago when three gangbangers tried to jump me on my way home from work. I was just walking down the street minding my own business when a car with three passengers suddenly pulled up on the side of me.

I looked at them and just kept on walking. They rapidly got out of the car, surrounded me then asked where I was from. (as to what gang I'm affiliated with)

I know for a fact that I wasn't wearing any provoking colors (red or blue). I actually wore a 'Slipknot' shirt and a couple of metal spiked studded arm bands.

Telling by my apparel, these guys knew that me being from a gang was totally inapplicable. They just wanted to beat somebody up. Anybody.

I replied with the simple "I'm not in a gang. Leave me alone."

Now remember there are three of these guys. All of them started throwing punches to my face. They all missed. I dropped my cd player and just went into moshpit mode.

This went on for about twenty seconds. These guys are still swinging and still missing.

Unbelievable.

They were so lame that they had to grab me and throw me on the ground to overpower me. When I landed, I recieved a couple of kicks to the lower left thigh and one good fist blow to my forehead. They all ran off back into their car and drove off before I even had a chance to get a glance at their license plate.

The only damage done was getting my clothes dirty.

That's the only serious "fight" that I can recall ever being involved in.

If I was studying Satanism at the time, I would've handled the situation more creatively. I would've had all three of them turn right back around and drove off without fighting me at all. Or better, not even think about stepping out of the car in the first place.

Yes.

The law varies greatly with location.

In New York, for instance, a person has the LEGAL DUTY to FLEE.
When such flight is an option, one can (and often will) be arrested if he instead remains in confrontation to defend himself.

Compare this to legal application in Dallas.

Our "Self-Defense Against Assault" laws state that it is lawful for one to defend oneself if they believe that he/she will suffer bodily injury.

The person being attacked may use such force up to deadly force if he/she believes it would be necessary to prevent bodily injury or death.

However, the use of excessive force against the attacker to counter the assault may result in criminal penalties.

On that note, we Californians don't take any shit!

Here's the law in Canada, from sections 34-37 of the Criminal Code.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_34//en#anchorbo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_34

I am not a lawyer. This is for information purposes only.

>>On that note, we Californians don't take any shit!

In terms of extremely liberal laws, we sadly do.

In terms of CCW (concealed carry) in most of the state we also eat up their liberal bullshit.

Oy, concealed carry, there's a can of worms.

I know for a fact that one county in the central part of California had/has a rather high number of concealed carry permits issued within. The man in charge of said issuing in the 1980's basically sold the things to anyone who paid him some large amount. This included felons. How does that help any of the law abiding citizens?

Outlaw carrying guns, and only the outlaws carry guns. Look at LA.

I've never started a fistfight although I had been in two fights when I was younger. What is there to gain from fighting? Nothing as I see it.

If you want to fight put on a uniform.

I am in great physical shape and am prepared to defend myself if I need to. It would require amazingly low intelligence to swing at me.

Which county was this?

I have not finished reading this thread yet but I have got to agree with Ms./Mrs Shade on this one. I have walked away from every negative confrontation without fighting. But I absolutely love a good old full on go with another trained individual. When we were kids if we were in trouble it got quiet.... But I have been to the emergency room 3 times from playing too rough with 3rd don black belt dad. Rules were when you win you move out. I had to move out at 17.

I live in northern michigan which normally means if you are lured into an altercation and don't fight then you may be shot. I do not carry a gun unless I am moving money or traveling with my family. I have to agree just avoid the morons in the first place. you'll notice that most of the machos looking to fight are normally looking for like minded grunts to but heads with. Your a Satanist! Be courteous and polite, and know when to walk away.

In honest I haven't read all of the replies here but I will add this:

I will NOT engage in combat UNLESS MY VERY LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. (This means NO ESCAPE, nowhere to run!)

My first move will be to run like the dickens. If I am hit and witnesses are around who will testify I will lie there on the floor like a slug.

Why?

So the attacker can be prosecuted, jailed, and put off the streets.

Now......as I said, if My life is in mortal danger and I cannot find hope of escape, I fill fight fang and claw. I WILL leave DNA evidence under My fingernails. I will do all I can do to survive.

I might add that it's not a crime to carry pepper spray/mace (at least where I live) and I also have a whistle. I'll blow on that thing until sweet Lucifer arises from the abyss just to shut up the infernal sound.

I have also been trained in self defense which helps.

Please note that anyone who wishes to enter Eve's abode without permission is in for a rude awakening.

I also carry a screw driver under My floor board in case some wacko tries to attack Me.

Survival is the highest law. Some call it paranoia, but as a very intelligent man once told Me.....it's oh...I'll remember in awhile but it had something to do with awareness.

You know who you are.

I must admit, that sounds rather…interesting. It sounds as if you will be rather busy.

Why do we get such a bum rap? Hasn’t anyone heard of the fighting Gamecocks?

Well put. What I do like about this article though is the reminder that people who act obnoxious enough in public WILL eventually do it to the wrong person (whether that's somebody who doesn't think twice about getting violent, is crazy, on PCP, has a weapon, etc.), and rightfully suffer the consequences. Not that I want to be the one serving the justice, of course! In situations like this, that's what the management or the police are for.

Even getting up and leaving could be effective in more ways than one. If the propriator cares about his or her business, and notices that one table is driving the other customers away, chances are good that the cretins will be thrown out.

Also, not all bars attract the same level of undesirables in the first place. I stay away from the ones that cater to lower social classes, certain college crowds, or are in bad neighborhoods. I'll typically only go to a bar if they have something to offer besides alcohol and a pool table (like karaoke, arcade games, really good food, dance floor with the right music, a live band that I know, etc.). Otherwise I don't see the point in paying for a drink I can make at home.

There is a Buddhist story...Buddha was an elephant. He used to stand under the same tree every day. There was a monkey that would pester him every day. Someone asked him why he didn't use his size to his advantage, and slam dunk that monkey. He said, no need. One day, another, less patient elephant will stand under this same tree; and, the monkey will think it is me. When he does...no more monkey.

There will always be another elephant.

Great story. I've gotta hand it to those Buddhists. They DO get it right once in while!

Naa

Kind of funny how gangbangers have bad aim. It's obvious that if you're shooting a gun one handed and held sideways (you know, "gangsta" style) you're going to miss most of the time. But jeeze, they can't even hit their mark with their own fists? Actually, this explains a lot, especially because a firearm is an extension of your arm. Nevertheless, I try to avoid them when possible.

I agree (although I have to admit, the drunken barroom brawl is most unattractive). There's something about watching men fight ... the raw energy, the heart that it takes to hang in there when every muscle is telling you to quit, and the confidence. I enjoyed watching fighting so much that I allowed myself to get hooked into the scene. I wasn't planning to be a real fighter myself, but here I am almost 10 years later still doing it.

For a while I thought I was a bit on the crazy side for watching this, but then I realized that it's totally natural. I connect it with the biological desire to mate with the most desirable and fit male. Pretty much every species has their own way of hashing it out, but thanks to pay-per-view and Spike TV, we're lucky enough to enjoy these battles of dominance from the comfort of our couches.