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#301837 - 01/28/08 12:04 AM In Defense of the Fistfight
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#301839 - 01/28/08 12:26 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Trau]
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You know, as long as its legal in a fashion (and I bet you could call spitting in the face assault, with AIDS and such about) I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment of this article. I propose the asshole amendment to legalize the physical punishment of assholes by the public.
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#301853 - 01/28/08 01:36 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Trau]
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That's not even a fistfight. It's instant karma.

This is actually a serious issue. It is not too long ago that the natural, quick way of responding to insults of a certain degree would be to punch the motherfucker on the nose and be done with it - and nobody saw anything unnatural or wrong with this.

Some things beckon rage - and rage needs to be expressed.

This way or that way.

Of course, nowadays you have to worry about being sued for damages, being criminally prosecuted for violence, and on top of it all probably have to suffer some kind of "educational" program - such as some psycho anger managment classes, etc.

You might as well bite it there and then - before going home to unload this emotional cargo by flaming all such fucking retards with your most passionate hatred, in ritual.

But it just doesn't satisfy in the same way that the old school correctional method of a punch on the nose would do. Also, people were in general much more careful about what they said and did back when they knew that there would be repercaussions, and that they would arrive CIF really fast...

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#301875 - 01/28/08 05:40 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Max Faust]
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I think I'm with you on this one. The days of 'playground justice' are gone, and with it, any sort of accountability.

When I was growing up, If I were to tell a larger kid to "screw off", I knew what was coming next. I understood what the consequences would be, and either planned for it or learned from it. Now, you've got a lot of pencil necks who KNOW they can get away with running at the mouth, mud-checking you, or whatever. It's a shame. Any more, you're supposed to feel shame for being mightier than the 'other guy' - regardless of how a situation started.
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#301886 - 01/28/08 07:19 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Trau]
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Is it really illegal to give the guy that directly provoked you what he asked for?
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#301892 - 01/28/08 07:45 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Trau]
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Thanks.
Now I remember why I stay home and shun group activities.
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#301895 - 01/28/08 08:05 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Drakein]
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I think each situation will have a different set of circumstances - truthfully, the lawyers figure that out. Unfortunately, in this situation, I have a feeling the guy administering the ass-whoopin' will be the one getting charged...
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#301898 - 01/28/08 08:13 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Trau]
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Gee, who would ever think you'd come across any assholes in a bar?

Now I'm glad I don't go out drinking as much as I used to. I have to deal with enough shitheads every day at work, I sure as hell don't want to deal with them on my leisure time.
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#301905 - 01/28/08 09:20 AM Assault [Re: Max Faust]
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However satisfying it may be on a visceral level, please note that Satanism counsels VERY STRONGLY and UNAMBIGUOUSLY AGAINST assault or other violent crime.

In most jurisdictions you are allowed to use violence ONLY in self-defense, and then, ONLY in proportion to the threat. ("Proportion" means, you only use as much violence as you need to make yourself safe, and no more.)

There are other ways to deal with assholes in public. Get creative with your language, or talk to the proprietor or a cop who might be handy.


Edited by reprobate (01/28/08 09:20 AM)
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#301927 - 01/28/08 10:48 AM Re: Assault [Re: reprobate]
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 Originally Posted By: reprobate
However satisfying it may be on a visceral level, please note that Satanism counsels VERY STRONGLY and UNAMBIGUOUSLY AGAINST assault or other violent crime.




Exactly. Thus, the staying at home and avoiding group activities thing, minimizing contact with...you know. Not that my presence is that great a thing; but, if I am inclined to gather, that is saying a lot. Party of one: Priceless.
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#301929 - 01/28/08 11:29 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: spook show]
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I feel exactly the same way.

Most barfights break out over the most ridiculous situations, ranging from looking at one's girlfriend, sitting "too close" to someone, accidentally spilling a drink, or just plain old "I'm drunk, tougher than you, and want to kick your ass because I'm the man" type of nonsense.

I prefer buying my own alcohol and drinking it at home on my own time. I don't have to worry about idiots making loud noise, singing terribly to a jukebox, picking random fights, or playing their petty dominance games.

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#301933 - 01/28/08 11:55 AM Re: Assault [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Party of one: Priceless.


And you don't have to worry about not knowing anyone there. \:D
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#301934 - 01/28/08 11:57 AM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: G.F.V.]
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>>I prefer buying my own alcohol and drinking it at home on my own time.

I find drinking on my own time in the comfort of my own home the most rewarding. Perhaps even at a friend's house with some good conversation.

I have gotten snotty comments from some, "You drink at home by yourself? That is a bit lonely isn't it?" My reply, "Sure beats being around monkeys and their monkey problems."
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#301938 - 01/28/08 12:09 PM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Trau]
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I understand the comments made about avoiding the idiots and the headache that comes with confrontation (legalities, etc). There is certainly alot to be said for choosing one's battles. But here's a small confession....

Some women actually like to see men fight.

Not necessarily in barroom brawls. May be in the boxing ring or the almost instant appeal of soldiers. May be a bloodthirsty primal animalistic instinct... I don't know. Smacking skin, cracking skulls, growls and grunts. The blood rushing in your ears and the adrenaline keying you up. I just really enjoy watching men beat the shit out of each other. Obviously, there is a time and place for everything though.

Not exactly on topic but I thought I'd throw that out there.
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#301939 - 01/28/08 12:11 PM Re: In Defense of the Fistfight [Re: Shade]
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>>Some women actually like to see men fight.

So who do you want me to fight?
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