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#303307 - 02/02/08 10:34 AM a few questions from a newb...
Numitra Offline


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-what is the force behind magic? what force is it that makes magic happen....

-what is capable with magic? I know about what Anton LaVey said in the Satanist Bible, but are there any other rituals that for example can turn brown eyes into green eyes (or isn't this possible)

-what do the most satanists believe what happens, if you die? Do satanists believe people got a 'soul' and there is life after this life??

-what created the world and the humans according satanisme?

-do satanists believe in ghosts??
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#303315 - 02/02/08 10:50 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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 Originally Posted By: Numitra
-what is the force behind magic? what force is it that makes magic happen....

-what is capable with magic? I know about what Anton LaVey said in the Satanist Bible, but are there any other rituals that for example can turn brown eyes into green eyes (or isn't this possible)

-what do the most satanists believe what happens, if you die? Do satanists believe people got a 'soul' and there is life after this life??

-what created the world and the humans according satanisme?

-do satanists believe in ghosts??


This is my opinion, but here I go.

-This is addressed in TSB. The "force" that makes magic work comes from within oneself

-Dr LaVey said to be realistic with your goals when performing Greater Magic. It is extremely unlikely that one can use magic to change the color of their eyes.

-You are either burned and put into an urn or buried where maggots will visit you very shortly. There is no afterlife.

-No creation, just evolution.

-By "ghost" I assume you mean the spirits of people who have passed away. If that's the case, then the answer is no.

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#303322 - 02/02/08 11:21 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: LadyVixen]
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okay, thank you,

you said this was YOUR opninion... What did LaVey or satanism in general think about these questions? Or is it something personal where there is no 'global answer'

(haha yeah by ghosts I ment the spirits of death people)

please people, keep on giving your opinions/ideas...

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#303323 - 02/02/08 11:21 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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 Originally Posted By: Numitra
-what is capable with magic? I know about what Anton LaVey said in the Satanist Bible, but are there any other rituals that for example can turn brown eyes into green eyes (or isn't this possible)


Yes, among Satanists it is referred to as "The application of the contact lens"

Seriously I don't know - you'll have to address this to members of the clergy, but from my understanding Satanism is about achieving results for yourself and that means not using magic to get things that are available to you in normal ways. Magister Nemo refers to Satanism as an engineering religion and often quotes the old Chinese proverb that one should not try to cover the world in leather, but wear shoes instead.

If changing eye color important to you?
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#303324 - 02/02/08 11:23 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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#303326 - 02/02/08 11:37 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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 Quote:
you said this was YOUR opninion... What did LaVey or satanism in general think about these questions? Or is it something personal where there is no 'global answer'


In Satanism, everything revolves around oneself.

There are only personal answers, one's own opinion, and scientifically proven fact.

If you read the Satanic literature, you'll find the Author's opinion. It's that simple. If you are indeed looking for what Dr. LaVey's views. Why ask others that are not him, and expect his views?

Apparently you didn't think this out fully.


Edited by CravenDesmont (02/02/08 11:41 AM)
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#303327 - 02/02/08 11:39 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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 Originally Posted By: Numitra
okay, thank you,

you said this was YOUR opninion... What did LaVey or satanism in general think about these questions? Or is it something personal where there is no 'global answer'

(haha yeah by ghosts I ment the spirits of death people)

please people, keep on giving your opinions/ideas...

Numitra


Here is your "global answer".

Satanism is a religion of the flesh; a materialistic one at that. Satanists do not believe in a god...there is no Jehovah, no Jesus, no invisible pink unicorn and no flying spaghetti monster. The only god to a Satanist is oneself. Having no soul, this life is the only one we have, and this is why each day is precious to a Satanist. That should sum up the answer to your last 4 questions.

As for the first, as suggested above, you might want to ask the CoS clergy. I'm not sure what the official position on that one is, and even if I did, I'm not in a position to speak for the Church anyways.

Also, you might want to pick up The Satanic Bible if you want to learn more about Satanism.


Edited by LadyVixen (02/02/08 11:40 AM)

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#303331 - 02/02/08 12:00 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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 Originally Posted By: Numitra
-what is the force behind magic? what force is it that makes magic happen....

Magic by its nature is too subjective of an experience to lend itself to be studied too objectively. So one really can't say. There may very well be not one single, definitive "source" behind it. The Satanic Bible certainly takes an occam's razor to the subject, though.

 Originally Posted By: Numitra
-what is capable with magic? I know about what Anton LaVey said in the Satanist Bible, but are there any other rituals that for example can turn brown eyes into green eyes (or isn't this possible)

Go back and reread the levitating tea cup analogy in The Satanic Bible. And especially the parts about "The Balance Factor".

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-what do the most satanists believe what happens, if you die? Do satanists believe people got a 'soul' and there is life after this life??

As it says right in the book, "death is the great abstinence". There is no soul; it's a human concept that was mentally created for the purpose of self-deceit. While I understand English is not your first language, I'm starting to wonder how critically you've read the book.

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-what created the world and the humans according satanisme?

Satanism doesn't address these questions because it's ultimately irrelevant to the religion. We ARE just another animal on this planet, regardless.

Having said that, science gives satisfactory explanations to these questions. Go to the library and research cosmology, abiogenesis, and biology. There are thousands of books and millions of journal papers, and scientists are learning more every day. The only people who actively deny what science has to say in these regards invariably have 1) never actually researched the subject (and usually couldn't tell you the difference between things like DNA and RNA), and 2) have some spiritual pipe dream they can't let go of because they have an unsatanic need to feel more "special" than other people (e.g., being created by God, being placed here by aliens, etc.)

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-do satanists believe in ghosts??

If you mean a person's full consciousness living on after death in some sort of metaphysical entity that roams the earth, the answer is no. This isn't to say that all Satanists dismiss all forms of what's been attributed to "the paranormal". People have had their share of strange experiences (things that go bumb in the night, apparitions, etc.). But "ghosts" aren't the only explanation.
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#303332 - 02/02/08 12:02 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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A word of advice. Any questions that you have should be posted in the forum dedicated to that purpose. Asking them here may give you answers that are not necessarily accurate, as many who frequent this board are not actually Satanists. Hence, they don't have the knowledge/understanding to give you a reply that represents the views of the Church of Satan.

That being said, Satanism requires study . No one is going to spoon feed you information that can be found on your own with a modicum of effort. You'd be best off doing your own research and reading and then presenting well thought out questions in the proper forum once that has been accomplished.
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#303370 - 02/02/08 04:31 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: verszou]
Numitra Offline


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 Originally Posted By: verszou
 Originally Posted By: Numitra
-what is capable with magic? I know about what Anton LaVey said in the Satanist Bible, but are there any other rituals that for example can turn brown eyes into green eyes (or isn't this possible)


Yes, among Satanists it is referred to as "The application of the contact lens"

Seriously I don't know - you'll have to address this to members of the clergy, but from my understanding Satanism is about achieving results for yourself and that means not using magic to get things that are available to you in normal ways. Magister Nemo refers to Satanism as an engineering religion and often quotes the old Chinese proverb that one should not try to cover the world in leather, but wear shoes instead.

If changing eye color important to you?



haha no, it isn't important, it was just an example to ask if such things are possible... to who should I adress myself for my questions??

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#303372 - 02/02/08 04:36 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Bruja]
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 Originally Posted By: Bruja
A word of advice. Any questions that you have should be posted in the forum dedicated to that purpose. Asking them here may give you answers that are not necessarily accurate, as many who frequent this board are not actually Satanists. Hence, they don't have the knowledge/understanding to give you a reply that represents the views of the Church of Satan.

That being said, Satanism requires study . No one is going to spoon feed you information that can be found on your own with a modicum of effort. You'd be best off doing your own research and reading and then presenting well thought out questions in the proper forum once that has been accomplished.


thanx bruja, to who should I adress my questions here in this forum? A Person who might answer my questions...
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#303375 - 02/02/08 05:06 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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Go to the "Questions about the Church of Satan" forum. Only those higher on the food chain can answer your questions in there. It's a good place to get answers in your pursuit for wisdom. HS!


Edited by Seeker Of Wisdom (02/03/08 03:36 AM)
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#303376 - 02/02/08 05:09 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Bruja]
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 Originally Posted By: Bruja
A word of advice. Any questions that you have should be posted in the forum dedicated to that purpose. Asking them here may give you answers that are not necessarily accurate, as many who frequent this board are not actually Satanists. Hence, they don't have the knowledge/understanding to give you a reply that represents the views of the Church of Satan.

That being said, Satanism requires study . No one is going to spoon feed you information that can be found on your own with a modicum of effort. You'd be best off doing your own research and reading and then presenting well thought out questions in the proper forum once that has been accomplished.


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#303377 - 02/02/08 05:19 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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 Originally Posted By: Seeker Of Wisdom
Go to the "Questions about the Church of Satan" forum. Only those higher on the food chain can answer your questions in there. In a good place to get answers in your pursuit for wisdom. HS!


thank you very much seeker of wisdom
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#303380 - 02/02/08 05:49 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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#303388 - 02/02/08 07:40 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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 Originally Posted By: Numitra
-do satanists believe in ghosts??


I wish I did!

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#303390 - 02/02/08 07:49 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Callier]
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Show me one first.

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#303396 - 02/02/08 09:00 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Pact_Primeval]
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 Originally Posted By: Pact_Primeval
Show me one first.


I don't know if there is any scientificall proof of ghosts, but you know what I mean.. Sometimes people play around with an ouija bord, and strange things happen.. This is something many people witnessed. The answers from the ouija bord are sometimes answers that only the deceiced person would know

Then there are also the ghost-hunters that picked up 'shapes' with infra-red or green or whatever infra- camera's..

some people when clinicaly die , see a sort of light.... and I DONT SPEAK about christianity or any other religion, I DONTTTTT follow dogma's, but those findings are very strange, don't you think?

Now what I WANT TO KNOW, is: Do Satanist believe in ghost, or can you be a satanist and have personal believes about these subjects.... (life after death, ghosts... and so one))...


Edited by Numitra (02/02/08 09:01 PM)
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#303397 - 02/02/08 09:11 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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You're placing assumptions on experiences that other people claimed to have.

Have you played with a Quija board?

Have you picked up "'shapes' with infra-red or green or whatever infra- camera's.."?

Have you had any near death experiences?

If you answered no to any of these questions, what would it possibly matter to you what Satanists or any other person on this planet believes?
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#303398 - 02/02/08 09:13 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Callier]
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 Originally Posted By: Callier
You're placing assumptions on experiences that other people claimed to have.

Have you played with a Quija board?

Have you picked up "'shapes' with infra-red or green or whatever infra- camera's.."?

Have you had any near death experiences?

If you answered no to any of these questions, what would it possibly matter to you what Satanists or any other person on this planet believes?



if it doesn't matter to me, I wouldn't ask the question... I am just curious about the satanist point of view about this phenomenon

with respect..

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#303400 - 02/02/08 09:22 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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Ghosts donít necessary mean proof of life after death.

I have witnessed phenomena that I canít explain, included the things commonly known ghosts or poltergeist. But I donít see the relationship between these occurrences and the existence of an afterlife.

Just because we havenít found a scientific explanation for something doesnít mean we have jump to conclusions and pull a religious explanation from the hat.

Many people insist that ghosts are proof of the afterlife, but in the same way an Ancient Greek man would mention thunder and lightning as proof of the existence of Zeus.
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#303401 - 02/02/08 09:25 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I understand your point of view.. and it's very logic.. hell, we'll see what happens when we die, the most important is here and now...
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#303405 - 02/02/08 09:37 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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 Originally Posted By: Numitra
I am just curious about the satanist point of view about this phenomenon


But yet you provide any information of your experiences of these things.

If you're trying to come to some conclusion of the existence of ghosts just going by what Satanists believe without even drawing from your own speculations then you're going to be confused.
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#303408 - 02/02/08 09:44 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Callier]
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I had some minor 'paranormal' experiences, but not enough to say that I really believe ghosts exist... anyway, I get your point.. you are telling me, that I should try to look it out for myself and make my own experiences... and make my own personal conclusion based on my own experiences...

(but maybe, I am going to believe those things don't exist while they do....?)
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#303411 - 02/02/08 10:02 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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If you look up the definitions of the word ghost, the first one defines a spirit of a dead person or a soul. Satanists do not believe in the spiritual. We don't believe in souls.

The second defines faint false images, as you explained earlier of what other people saw in photographs, which are really caused by the optical system of cameras. This however can be logically explained. The former cannot.

Although, the Satanist is always open to things that have yet to be scientifically explained, which people would call "paranormal".
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#303414 - 02/02/08 10:06 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Callier]
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 Originally Posted By: Callier
If you look up the definitions of the word ghost, the first one defines a spirit of a dead person or a soul. Satanists do not believe in the spiritual. We don't believe in souls.

Although, the Satanist is always open to things that have yet to be scientifically explained, which people would call "paranormal".



this is what I wanted to ear, thanx, NUMITRA
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#303417 - 02/02/08 10:19 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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You're welcome.

I'd suggest for you to read The Satanic Bible again in its entirety.
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#303419 - 02/02/08 10:25 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Callier]
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 Originally Posted By: Callier
You're welcome.

I'd suggest for you to read The Satanic Bible again in its entirety.


I agree, the time I read it, I was very very tired, to the point of falling asleep.. maybe therefore I missed some info..

I will carefully read the satanic bible again... If I have any questions, I won't be shy to ask them... it's by asking we learn ;\)


Edited by Numitra (02/02/08 10:37 PM)
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#303423 - 02/02/08 10:31 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Callier]
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 Originally Posted By: Callier


Although, the Satanist is always open to things that have yet to be scientifically explained, which people would call "paranormal".



According to a book called TIME STORMS ghosts were parallel time lines crossing into ours. Used string theory as a basis.
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#303504 - 02/03/08 06:19 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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1. Yourself. Reading all the CoS literature will give you much more detailed answers as to what, specifically makes magic happen. Not my place to expose something that is not common knowledge and may be called a secret.

2. Anything that is scientifically possible, see above. Things may be scientifically possible that are not discussed and are rarely explored by science.

3. Not in the sense that are talking about. Death is the end of life for a Satanist.

4. Don't know. Not applicable.

5. I don't.

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#303573 - 02/03/08 11:53 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Adveser]
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thxs adveser
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#303601 - 02/03/08 01:31 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Adveser]
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At the core of it all, we're all completely different people that follow the same philosophy of life.

I don't believe in ghosts, divinity, spirituality, or otherwise. If someone were to send me a link of a ghost caught on film, i would watch it because i'm interested in these things. I will never believe it unless I experience it for myself.

There is no specific views you must have outside of the core of Satanism. If you have read the Satanic Bible, and agree with what it says, and know you are the person that those pages speak to, then anything else is your own opinion.
The reason? Because you're simply not a Satanist if you don't agree with the Satanic Bible, or try to bend the views to your own liking.

As far as ghosts are concerned, we're skeptics at the end of the day.

There are better people to talk to you on this. I know in my head what the difference is between salt and pepper but explaining it is not currently my strong point, which as a Satanist i am proud to work on.

There is also a forum dedicated to such questions. I will advise you make use of it.


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#303649 - 02/03/08 04:19 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Pact_Primeval]
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thank you very much Pact_Primeval

I agree with everything in the satanist bible, it's pure logic, and as far magic goes.. I'm ready to have a taste ;\)

what is the name of that forum, where I can post my 'weird' questions?

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#303664 - 02/03/08 05:01 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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I believe that Pact_Primeval (along ith Verszou, Sarah, Bruja, Seeker of Wisdom, & Tekku) was suggesting that you post questions in the "Questions about the Church of Satan," which is another area of Letters to the Devil that you have already found. The advantage to posting in that section is that only members of the hierarchy and moderators are allowed to respond. Anyone can respond here.
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#303669 - 02/03/08 05:14 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: AurEum]
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She should know which forum I was talking about since I told her the name of it when I referenced her to it.
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#303670 - 02/03/08 05:24 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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I'm a guy haha, yes now I know what forum it is, thxs everybody
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#303671 - 02/03/08 05:25 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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Registered: 01/19/08
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Sorry about the confusion, Mr. Numitra
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#303686 - 02/03/08 06:37 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Seeker Of Wisdom]
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 40
no problem ;\)
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#303779 - 02/03/08 11:01 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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Registered: 02/01/08
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if any other satanist has got information, please let me know, here on the forum or by pm
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#303802 - 02/04/08 01:27 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Numitra]
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Registered: 01/03/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Word to the wise...I had asked similar questions when I came onboard...and got verbally spat on by several people, people they are, if at all.
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#303853 - 02/04/08 10:23 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Dammarval]
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Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 51
Loc: Derby, England
Some people are socially inept. It matters not, someone will reply constructively.

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#304487 - 02/06/08 10:45 AM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Pact_Primeval]
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Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 429
Loc: California
Will people please stop using the "fast reply" inappropriately? That's only for when you need to reply to the LAST reply and please stop clicking a random user's reply button too. The context of your post as a reply to my post makes absolutely no sense. Try to make more sense by using the reply button according to the post you want to reply to.

This was brought to my attention years ago about how annoying it was to everyone, thought I would pass that info along.

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#304618 - 02/06/08 09:25 PM Re: a few questions from a newb... [Re: Adveser]
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Registered: 01/31/08
Posts: 197
 Originally Posted By: Adveser
Will people please stop using the "fast reply" inappropriately? That's only for when you need to reply to the LAST reply and please stop clicking a random user's reply button too. The context of your post as a reply to my post makes absolutely no sense. Try to make more sense by using the reply button according to the post you want to reply to.

This was brought to my attention years ago about how annoying it was to everyone, thought I would pass that info along.


Thanks .
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