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#30450 - 03/08/04 08:09 PM A Common Misconception
Solomon Offline
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It occured to me whilst driving down the highway, reflecting on a film I had just seen. "Passion of the Christ" is an excellent film, although I was only able to see 3/4 of it due to other matters at hand. It was not the movie itself that brought an epiphany, but a question asked by my better half afterwards.

"So, as a Satanist, aren't you supposed to be against this movie, and not see it for those reasons?"

Now the question was answered with "Hey, I enjoy a good mythological film every once in a while" which did not sit well with someone who insists it was real, and not myth as I had so eloquently put it. And why not!? The Romans and Greeks believed then as do these christians now that their forms of divine beings existed, and now they are myths in books. But I digress.

What brings me here today is the thought that since something is labeled "Christian" it is off-limits to non-christians, and in this case, a Satanist.

Wrong

Should I pitch my P.O.D. collection because they praise "Jah" in their songs, or not attend gatherings for causes that I am interested in only because it is a christian that is conducting the meeting? Should I not go and enjoy a fine meal in a restaurant run by roman catholics? If you are missing out on pleasures in your life because of titles, then you are missing life.

Do you dare to live life to its fullest? I thought this was just common sense, but it turns out Dr. LaVey was right when he said for some, it is a tall order to fill.

Pitch the idea that "Satanism" means "Anti-christian", head down to your nearest McDonalds, order the spaghetti and meatballs, and watch the clerk break his neck looking for your meal on his menu. Go see the movies you like, listen to the music you enjoy, eat what you want to eat, fuck whoever it is you desire, and enjoy your time here.

Thank you and Regards,
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#30451 - 03/08/04 08:34 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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I would also say the same thing about "herd" activity. Just because everybody is doing something, it doesn't mean a Satanist must avoid doing it.

I enjoy bowling, video games, fishing, and I even buy my groceries at Walmart. These can all be considered herd activities. The difference is, I do it because I want to. The herd does it because they have been programmed to. They do it to avoid being alienated. I do it as an outsider looking in, I guess you could say.

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#30452 - 03/08/04 08:41 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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In my opinion, when someone allows the herd to dictate what they do not enjoy it is just as bad (or worse) than when they allow the herd to dictate what they do enjoy.

It’s similar to racists attempting to only buy or support products that were made by someone else in their particular race. It’s ridiculous, near impossible, and the morons are deservingly missing out on a lot of great stuff.

I’m reminded of the Clichéd Clichés post that I made a long time ago, addressing the fact that I can enjoy whatever I wish regardless of if it’s cliché for me to do so as a Satanist (i.e. wearing black, listening to Black Metal, enjoying Horror movies, etc.). The same applies vice versa, like my love of the Middle Ages (a very, very Christian period in history) and the music, architecture and artwork that was created during that time (most all of which was devoted to and usually depicted God, Mary, and/or Jesus - Hell, that’s not my fault!).
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#30453 - 03/08/04 08:41 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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While I agree with you whole heartedly that Christian does not mean "Off-Limits", I have to say that it is important when treading in these waters to avoid the advancement of your enemy. I am not going to pay for this film because I do not want to further the christian fundamentalist movement. To run with your enemies is to adavance their position. I am against Fundies because they want to opress me and hinder my enjoyment in life.

Now if you want to go to the next church ralley, and eat some quality free food , be my guest. Enjoy everything that you want to enjoy, just don't forget the long term affects of your actions in the process.

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#30454 - 03/08/04 08:53 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Max Rose]
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I am against Fundies because they want to opress me and hinder my enjoyment in life.





No one is going to oppress you unless you allow yourself to be oppressed. Yes, this does include your own personal self as well.

Not seeing a film because you don't care to is one thing.. Not seeing the same film simply because you interpret it as a tool to make money for "the enemy" is quite another.

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#30455 - 03/08/04 08:54 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Max Rose]
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While I agree with you whole heartedly that Christian does not mean "Off-Limits", I have to say that it is important when treading in these waters to avoid the advancement of your enemy. I am not going to pay for this film because I do not want to further the christian fundamentalist movement. To run with your enemies is to adavance their position. I am against Fundies because they want to opress me and hinder my enjoyment in life.

Now if you want to go to the next church ralley, and eat some quality free food , be my guest. Enjoy everything that you want to enjoy, just don't forget the long term affects of your actions in the process.




I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure I would consider that movie as being a catalyst that would further the Christian cause. On the contrary, it seems to prove that Christianity has become just another consumer product. Just a good fictional, violent movie.

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#30456 - 03/08/04 08:59 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: sCara]
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No one is going to oppress you unless you allow yourself to be oppressed. Yes, this does include your own personal self as well.




While I would love to say that I agree with you, I simply cannot. I don't think that the africans had much of a say in the matter when they were made slaves. I don't think that the homosexuals let themselves be beat to death by biggots. Now while I am listing EXTREME cases here, I am merely doing it for shock value to get my point across. The worst that would probably happen to me if the fundamentalist agenda was fully pushed through would be that all the porn shops in my area would be closed down, but I don't want this to happen. So my solution, I will wait till the movie comes to me. Usually one of my buddies will rent something and I will watch it at their house. No real problems here.

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#30457 - 03/08/04 09:04 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Max Rose]
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#30458 - 03/08/04 09:15 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: sCara]
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Interesting quote, and point taken. Still though, I don't ever want to have my spirit crushed in the first place. It just seems to be a little unpleasent.

I guess that the movie thing is debatable wether or not it furthers the cause, and at the moment I can't think of really anything in particular that should be avoided for that reason, but I just decided I would throw my thought into the logic pile.

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#30459 - 03/08/04 10:20 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Max Rose]
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I don't think watching a movie is "running with the enemy".

I can enjoy (and as a matter of fact I have) watching movies about the life of Jesus, Buddha, Hercules or any other mythological characters. That doesn’t mean I’m supporting those religions.

Will the money I paid for the ticked somehow help someone with an agenda opposed to mine? Of course it will... as will eventually every cent you spend in practically anything on Earth.

Should I stop driving my car because some part of the money I pay for gasoline eventually goes to the pockets of some Islamic fundamentalist in Saudi Arabia? Should I stop eating at my favorite restaurant if I knew the cook is a Christian fundamentalist?

Should I ask for the religious background of the owner of every business I visit, to avoid giving money to a religious nut by accident?

I think life is a little more complex than that...
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#30460 - 03/09/04 12:50 AM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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People that refuse to watch movies like The Passion just because it's a Christian flick remind me of people that refuse to listen to Brittany Spears just because she's popular.

I feel sorry for people that paint themselves into their preset little stereotyped corners. They miss out on so much.

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#30461 - 03/09/04 02:57 AM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Max Rose]
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What if a Christian bought a King Diamond CD? Would he be supporting Satanism? No, he would be supporting King Diamond and everyone else that helped to produce his CD.
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#30462 - 03/09/04 03:28 AM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Old_Pig]
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Yeah, I thought about it a little more after I posted this and decided to go watch the movie. I realized that it was silly to try and avoid 'helping my enemies' as it is a pointless battle. My $8 isn't going to count for anything when compared to the millions that Mel is going to be making off of this flick. The fact that I enjoyed it is all that really matters.

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#30463 - 03/09/04 03:57 AM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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Bravo. I even go to church sometimes myself. An excellent time can be had there.
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#30464 - 03/09/04 04:32 AM Good Call [Re: Solomon]
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Good call Sol,
Haven't had the chance to go "into town/off the mountain" (I have a house up in the mountains) since it came out, but do plan on seeing it. I have heard the movie described as "Jesus Chainsaw massacre", and the clips I have seen it looks very interesting. I have enjoyed other movies based on various myths (as you, and myself described it, I had a similar discussion with someone when I mentioned that I wanted to see it). I have read the bible, and love reading about mythology of various types. As for being "off-limits" to me there is almost nothing that is off-limits unless I myself have decided that I do not want to see / hear / etc... about it. I will have to pass on P.O.D. myself because I saw them live opening for another band, and thought they sucked. One of my friends said I didn't like them because they were x-ian, and I stated that I didn't know they were, I just didn't care for them. He and I have played "the game" before on bands that were of a certain backgound or religion, and I told him I don't give a shit, either it makes me move (tap my foot) or does not.
As for restaurants and such, I have to agree with you and TP, et all. I am not paying for or supporting your ideology, I just want good food and service, and when I get it I am willing to pay well and tip well. Much of the money you spend is going in one way or another to x-ians, they are the dominant sect in Amerika right now. Deal with it, and do not shut yourself off to opportunity. Most of the money I make in my most profitable business ventures is off of Christians, I am happy for their herd qualities, one customer turns into many. I am a whore I will take money from any individual, their friends, their church, or anyone else I can "hook up" with, in a business fashion. Enjoy life and all it has to offer.
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#30465 - 03/09/04 12:19 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Max Rose]
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I realized that it was silly to try and avoid 'helping my enemies' as it is a pointless battle. My $8 isn't going to count for anything when compared to the millions that Mel is going to be making off of this flick. The fact that I enjoyed it is all that really matters.





This is my exact mentality in going to see this movie today. I really want to see it. I was raised hearing Christian Mythology most of my young life and I will admit, the stories hold a special place in my heart.

I also didn't want to contribute $8.00 to Mr. Gibson's cause and this insane religion. But One less person going to see it isn't going to change anything.

Besides, I'm a Satanist. Nothing is going to stop me from doing something that I really want to do.
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#30466 - 03/09/04 01:19 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: CPayne]
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>People that refuse to watch movies like The Passion just
>because it's a Christian flick remind me of people that
>refuse to listen to Brittany Spears just because she's
>popular.

You know, sometimes I wonder which is the more ridiculous trend: screaming over the latest pop sensation, or screaming about how much one supposedly hates that star.

This love-to-hate-them phenomenon isn't new either. This always seems to happen whenever a big-selling "bubble gum" act hits the scene. Pat Boone, The Monkees, New Kids On The Block, The Spice Girls -- when they were big, saying that you hated them was the "cool" thing to do.
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#30467 - 03/09/04 01:54 PM On Britney... [Re: Bill_M]
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You know, it's interesting - Britney, specifically, has become an 'icon' for all that is superficial, vaccuous, transient, fake and market driven in music and culture. Her recent quickie marriage only amplified that. She's now also become a popular punch line in the 'supposed sanctity of traditional heterosexual marriage" argument.

She can be used as a vaguely humorous example in so many scenarios, that it's being overdone to an unfair extent. After all, she's not much different than so many of her peers - and yet she's probably the most targeted. She really doesn't deserve it.

[*everyone now...* "Poor Britney."]

"At least it's not 'Britney Spears' (or something stupid like that)" just seems to roll off of people's tongues. I've made a conscious effort recently to avoid using her name in this fashion. She's just another bubble gum starlet - she's not personally responsible for 'the decline of western civilization as we know it', after all.

I can find 100 equally vaccuous, confused, self exploiting little blond chicks if I just walk over to UCLA. Britney is neither good, nor bad. She simply exists. If anything, I blame those who follow her every move and perpetuate purient interest in her for her unusually long stay in the spotlight.

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#30468 - 03/09/04 07:29 PM Re: On Britney... [Re: Rev_Malebranche]
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>She can be used as a vaguely humorous example in so many
>scenarios, that it's being overdone to an unfair extent.

Regardless of how much a certain celebrity "deserves" the ridicule, I just have no tolerance for that form of overdone humor which you describe. Actually, LaVey himself decribed this in one of his essays in Satan Speaks. ("The butts of jokes are no longer selected with carefull deliberation, but are ridiculed en masse.")

OJ Simpson, Bill Clinton, and Michael Jackson are other names that come to mind: one predictable punchline ("he's a killer/pervert/pedophile"), and 1000 stale jokes to deliver it. It gets to the point where people laugh at the jokes solely because we are told (read: programmed) that they're supposed to be funny.
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#30469 - 03/09/04 08:23 PM On Media Manipulation... [Re: Bill_M]
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It gets to the point where people laugh at the jokes solely because we are told (read: programmed) that they're supposed to be funny.

And it is here that professional comedians put bread on their table, and a Lexus in the garage. Bumper sticker, and t-shirt manufacturing line their pockets with the programmable "funny". The media circus is doing a fantastic job at keeping the drones shelling out paychecks for shit they don't need, only to have them throw away their new purchase a week later because "that was so two weeks ago." I consider having the herd suckling at your teets to be a very Satanic, look at how effective it has been thus far.

Step right up! Hurry hurry hurry! Come inside to see the dreaded "wardrobe malfunction!" Feast your eyes on the magnificent...

At the very least, these mass-produced walking billboards provide me with eye candy, for I enjoy seeing a female with certain endowments actually show her goods. Still, I can't help but respect those I see that are original, if for nothing else than being very rare today.

Alas, the golden age of burlesque has been exchanged for hardcore porn with farm animals. Fedoras have been traded for beanies, bandanas, and sideways caps. A 1953 Lincoln Continental (Mmmm...suicide doors) has been swapped for lowrider rice burners, etc. Yet here is an opportunity!

I'll keep my Third Side, go dressed to the nines in my gas-guzzler, sporting my fedora and listening to "old music". I will let pass the jeers and sneers from the collective flock, for I see in their eyes the truth. I see a mind reeling for reason as to why I do what I do, however I choose to do it. I have them fixed, foaming at the loins and mouth simultaneously, and I enjoy every damn minute of it.

Duke Ellington said it best...
What good is melody, what good is music
If it ain't possessin' something sweet
It ain't the melody, it ain't the music
There's something else that makes the tune complete
It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing
It don't mean a thing, all you got to do is sing
It makes no diff'rence if it's sweet or hot
Just give that rhythm ev'rything you got
It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing


Regards,
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#30470 - 03/11/04 01:05 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: J. Hagalaz]
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My opinion is why the hell not!! i have afew P.O.D cd's as well as other CCM music (i once was christian) just because i have found my "True" religion does not mean i have to give up on the stuff i once liked as long as i still like it.

As for "the passion" i havent seen it because it's not out here yet. but i will go when it is, im intrested in the life of jesus, i just don't agree with some of his teachings.

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#30471 - 03/11/04 01:27 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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Excellent post.
I personally am excited to see the film, and I find the christian bible to be a good story (romance, action, and the supernatural, it's all in there). There is no sense in throwing the baby out with the bathwater, just because there are christian undertones, or, in this case, directly based on chrisitan beliefs. I eat Middle Eastern cuisine, yet I am neither Middle Eastern or Muslim. Denying yourself something you'd enjoy for such stupid reasons goes against the basic principals of Satanism.

In the end, it doesn't matter how many Deicide lyrics you've memorized.

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#30472 - 03/11/04 10:11 PM Re: A Common Misconception
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I haven't seen the Passion. I have heard numerous accounts of it though. I am a Satanist. Although I respect Christianity and flow with it rather then fight it. I have heard some good Christian tunes from time to time although as the old saying goes, " the Devil has always had the best tunes."

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#30473 - 03/12/04 02:17 AM Re: A Common Misconception
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im intrested in the life of jesus, i just don't agree with some of his teachings.



What about his supposed life interests you? If you do not agree with some of his supposed teachings, does this mean that you DO agree with others? If so, which ones and why?
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#30474 - 03/12/04 04:17 AM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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I have not seen the movie ...but I look forwrad to see it as I've heard that it is a good movie ...but no more than that.
I also like Lord of the Rings ...but that doesn't mean that I belive in Gandalf.

So, if you're a satanist and want to see the movie ...just do it ...that doesn't mean that you'll have to agree with Jesus on something.

The satanist is anti-xtian but only in the true meaning of the word "anti".
Is is a common misconception that "anti" realy means against even if nowadays it is used like this. This word comes from a greek word and it means "to replace".
So anti-xtian actualy means "to replace xtianity" and anti-christ means "the replacer of christ".
I belive that the Satanic Age in LaVey conception is actually the replacement of xtian beliefs with satanism so that more and more people will become satanic (even if some of them will never admit that) ...but not satanists (those are realy born not made).

Well, I think it is as useless to be against xtianity as it is to be for it. But without inventing the "satanists" (fake satanists) how could the xtian church survive for so long and how could it gather people without giving them a common enemy (Satan, the big bad devil).

Now I'm really interested to find out if the xtian conversion rate will grow due to this movie thing. Will there be more people attending to the sunday church just because they've seen the "Passion of Christ"?
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#30475 - 03/12/04 05:01 AM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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"So, as a Satanist, aren't you supposed to be against this movie, and not see it for those reasons?"



Yes but:
Forgetfullness of past orthodoxies
is a bad thing.
Quote:

Do you dare to live life to its fullest? I thought this was just common sense, but it turns out Dr. LaVey was right when he said for some, it is a tall order to fill.




I also thought this was just common sense but I was wrong, this is common sense for us.
We want to live life to the fullest, this is one of the best thing of our religion but if we do not succeed in some circumstances this is not a problem. The bad effect of this behavior had already its bad effect, no further problem.

I can look at everything, I can follow my true nature, I see what satisfies me and what is wrong for me, I look at the behavior of the herd and I understand most of it. I indulge, I have not problems for afterlife.
I am really happy to have discovered Satanism, I was already of course but now I know that I am not alone and this was an strong booster for my life.

Hail Satan!
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#30476 - 03/12/04 05:15 AM Re: A Common Misconception
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I have yet to find anything good about a religion who has murdered millions in the name of their god of "LOVE".
I of course had a 25 yr bad experience with them and although I rarely waste my time thinking about them, when I do It brings back fucked up memories
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#30478 - 03/13/04 03:10 AM Re: A Common Misconception
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Quote:

Quote:

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im intrested in the life of jesus, i just don't agree with some of his teachings.



What about his supposed life interests you? If you do not agree with some of his supposed teachings, does this mean that you DO agree with others? If so, which ones and why?







(this is the 2nd time i posetd this,since i managed to delet the other)

OK i don't belive in turning the other cheek,i don't belive in loving my enemy, i don't belive in loving everyone,i don't belive in dumping my family to follow a religion.

I do belive however that Jesus did exist and that he did die for man's sin. why do i belive that? it's the onlt 2 things i have never questioned.

I was ashit chrstian,there was to many things that bugged me about religion. I never felt comfertable with it, then i read the satanic bible and suddenly everything made sense,here was a man who was saying what i was thinking,not all the time mind you but 99% of the time

Im not going to apologise for being intrested inJesus life or anyone's life for that matter. christianity made me live my life full of guilt for things's i didn't actully do or for things i cant actully help, im not going to live that way any longer.

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#30479 - 03/13/04 03:44 AM Re: A Common Misconception
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"I do belive however that Jesus did exist and that he did die for man's sin."

What makes you say that? The stories in the xtian bible?
Why would he die for my sin? Why am I a sinner? What is sin and why does it has to be paid by someone's death?
If he paid for something I did, why doesn't he let me know that he did so? Are you a satanist? If so, have you understand the Satanic Bible?

Please answer politely or do not answer at all.
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#30480 - 03/13/04 09:22 AM Re: A Common Misconception
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The person who is commonly referred to as Jesus of Nazareth may have lived and he may have not. At this point, it doesn't matter.

You need to step outside the cultural conditioning in which you grew up (or are still growing up in). Christian teachings are emotional and sentimental in its "outreach", and the longer you allow it room, it will do all it can to manipulate that about you. Entertaining ideas like "sin" will get you no where but caught in their web of unseeming deceit. If that's what you want, if that's what you are, then good luck...you're going to need it.
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#30481 - 03/13/04 12:58 PM Re: A Common Misconception
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I do belive however that Jesus did exist and that he did die for man's sin.

That makes you a Christian and not by any means a Satanist. That statement of yours is the foundation of the Christian religion.

You probably know this already, but you are not a Satanist.
You may like to think so but it's simply not the case.
By the way, your grammar is downright horrible.
I think you really need to work on using the shift key and a spellchecker.
Either way, this is obviously not the place for you.
Don't take this as aggression on my part. I'm only trying to save you some grief.

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#30482 - 03/13/04 01:44 PM Re: A Common Misconception
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Look into actualy history, anthropology and archeology. Roman law would give you quite an insight into the supposed Jesus. Roman Historians of that time period, as well as the actual history of the new testament (and old testament). Search everything in history about it! This will take you all the way back to the really beginnings of civilization, the Sumerians. You will come away with the actual history of humans. What you will find will be actual, not what followers believe. That is, if you really want to know.
What is sin? You say jesus died for your sins? What is a sin? What is a sin?!

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#30483 - 03/13/04 04:07 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Dracul]
Anonymous
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Quote:

"I do belive however that Jesus did exist and that he did die for man's sin."

What makes you say that? The stories in the xtian bible?
Why would he die for my sin? Why am I a sinner? What is sin and why does it has to be paid by someone's death?
If he paid for something I did, why doesn't he let me know that he did so? Are you a satanist? If so, have you understand the Satanic Bible?

Please answer politely or do not answer at all.




Darling im always polite!!

All those questions you asked i have been asking myself for a few years now and i stil not sure of the answers,I can however answer what made me say that and yes it is because of the christian bible,though god know's why because i really don't belive in the rest of it, so i don't understand why i belive that!! (hey at least im honest!)

Am i a satanist? well im more of a satanist than a christian but problebly less a satanist than a satanist who has never had a christian (or any religious) up bringing

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#30484 - 03/13/04 04:11 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Caesar]
Anonymous
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Quote:

The person who is commonly referred to as Jesus of Nazareth may have lived and he may have not. At this point, it doesn't matter.

You need to step outside the cultural conditioning in which you grew up (or are still growing up in). Christian teachings are emotional and sentimental in its "outreach", and the longer you allow it room, it will do all it can to manipulate that about you. Entertaining ideas like "sin" will get you no where but caught in their web of unseeming deceit. If that's what you want, if that's what you are, then good luck...you're going to need it.




Yes i so agree with you!!

i admit that i still carry a lot of baggage from christianity,some ideas are harder to dump than others.

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#30485 - 03/13/04 04:27 PM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: GloryS9]
Anonymous
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Quote:

Look into actualy history, anthropology and archeology. Roman law would give you quite an insight into the supposed Jesus. Roman Historians of that time period, as well as the actual history of the new testament (and old testament). Search everything in history about it! This will take you all the way back to the really beginnings of civilization, the Sumerians. You will come away with the actual history of humans. What you will find will be actual, not what followers believe. That is, if you really want to know.
What is sin? You say jesus died for your sins? What is a sin? What is a sin?!

Glory




That's a great idea glory, i have never thought of doing that i think i will do that,got any ideas where to start?

What is sin? that is a question i have asked my self over and over again for years,according to the bible just being born is a sin,everything we do since being born is a sin. Which is oneof the reason i got so pissed off with christianity. i was sick of feeling guilty for somthing i have no reason to feel guilty for.

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#30486 - 03/13/04 05:50 PM Re: A Common Misconception
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Chocolategirl,

I have also been a very fanatical Christian, and had been believing that Jesus died for my sins, sometimes I was very full of deep emotions that god was so much mankind-loving that he would give his own son for us, I was really, and it also took a long time for me to be able to emotionally break with Christianity.
But there are just a few problems that are so obvious with the case of 'dying for man's sins'

At first it is not clear what a sin really means. You can see it as a deed on which a label (for some kind of reason) is put, a label with emotional content; guilt. A sin is nothing less, nothing more. The Christian churches have designed the sins (=putting those labels in a particular manner) in a way that no one could ever escape sin, (e.g. even sexual thoughts before marriage are a sin in their definition, there is an excellent explanation in the SB) so that everyone would feel guilty, and that gave the church power over people. Truly, a sin says more about those people who defined or labelled in a particular way a deed as sinful, than about the deed itself.

Second, if sins would truly exist, and were not just a deed with a label, but truly something 'supernatural', than why would god not just forgive?
Every Christian agrees that no human being (except for Jesus) has ever lived without committing one sin, and also that it is not in the power of any human being to live 'sin free'.
It is very illogical (and sick) to blame someone for something that is out of his/her power. That is the same as blaming a blind man for not being able to see something (except for that god would demand humans to be blind like that).

Third, what is the logic of offering as a sacrifice your own son to yourself, to be able to forgive mankind? Even I, pluk, can forgive people when they do something to me, and just simply say sorry (in most cases). I don't first have to kill someone whom I love before I forgive. I can just simply forgive, so in that way even I am much mightier than that 'almighty and merciful' god.

Fourth, if you listen to your deep nature, and would put the labels of good and evil on deeds yourself, don't you than feel that offering your own son as a sacrifice to yourself is actually the most disgusting thing imaginable? The excellent example of sinful (when you label yourself deeds as sinful, according to your own nature)? I felt it like that in anyway, and deep, deep disgust opened my eyes and made me run away from Christianity (although it still took a long time). If you want to come loose from your Christian background, sometimes even just reading the Christian bible can help, at least it helped me.


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#30487 - 03/13/04 06:15 PM Re: A Common Misconception
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Registered: 03/10/04
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Any confusion you have will be, I'm sure, a direct result of trying to mix two (clearly un-mixable) Religions together.

Supposing this character - Jesus, could die for your sins. How could it possibly work? How could his death free us from sin? And why are they sins in the first place!?

For any of that to be possible, you would have to accept the existence of God; an external deity, whom decided, for no logical reason that his son should die and this, somehow, would forgive sins like "being born", as you put it.

Utter poppycock!

You poor confused thing! – It has been said 1000 times before Satanists are born not made! Many Satanists were raised as Christians, but very few ever (happily) accepted any truth in it. It is apparent you were not born a Satanist as you still hold on to these falsehoods as truths!

Moreover, it seems that you are looking for an Identity to subscribe to.

I seriously doubt if this is for you!

HS!

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#30488 - 03/13/04 06:32 PM Re: A Common Misconception
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Am i a satanist? well im more of a satanist than a christian but problebly less a satanist than a satanist who has never had a christian (or any religious) up bringing

You can't be "a little bit of this and a little bit of that" You either are a Satanist or not. What you are saying is like "I'm a strict vegetarian, except I eat roast beef"

The concept of "sin", "being born in sin" and that someone "died for your sins" are all opposite to the very core of Satanic philosophy. If you read the Satanic Bible, you'll find that clearly explained. If after reading it, think you identify yourself with Satanism, that means you already got over the concept of "living in sin".

I think you should sit and re-think what you really are and what you really feel. Perhaps you are just confused.
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#30489 - 03/13/04 06:37 PM Re: A Common Misconception
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Registered: 10/14/03
Posts: 499
Loc: Cincinnati
Coming from a Roman Catholic background, I can say that knowledge in the dogmatic practice of "Christianity" has lent itself to my intrigue of other cultures, religions, and ultimately what brought me to the Church of Satan, this board, and Satanism. I will still go to mass once in a great while to observe the architecture of the churches, and see what is going on on the other side of the fence. I enjoy the artistic works of crucifixes, and find the similarities in catholic and pagan masses to be interesting. I too am interested in the mythos of Christ, but it runs along the same lines as my interest in Cthulu, Odin, Cernunnos, the Kabalah, Torah, Koran, Buddhism, Hindu, Islam etc. I find enjoyment in studying these things, so therefore I study them. Does that make me less of Satanist? For those that would answer yes, I have one word for you...Stratification. Also, let us not forget past orthodoxes. Not only my own (Roman Catholic) but a full study of others as well.

This brings me to your post. Is it because you believe in the teachings of the Christian Bible that makes you uncertain in this place? If it is what you believe, and what makes you happy, then go for it. Satanism isn't for everyone, and to be honest, I would rather hold council with a christian who is sure of themselves, and happy in their beliefs than with someone who is trying to pass as a Satanist although they do not resonate with the philosophy thereof.

Or perhaps you are neither, perhaps you are looking to identify with something that you are not finding in Christianity. Are you finding it in Satanism? If not, that's fine, it just means you are looking in the wrong place. There are hundreds of different beliefs around the world, take your pick! or do as I did when I "left the fold behind", make up your own religion.

You see, religion is there to serve a purpose inherent in every human. That is a need for ritual, and dogma. In some sense, it also gives the adherent a feeling of belonging. So to quote a notable TV show (at least I think he's still on) "How's that workin' for ya?" If you are a Satanist, there will be no doubt. You'll know, believe me. If not, again, that's fine, just stop spending time here not gaining anything, utilize your time more towards your goals, and go enjoy yourself.

Best of Luck,
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#30490 - 03/14/04 01:53 AM Re: A Common Misconception [Re: Solomon]
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I have read and re read the Sb a few times,not just reading it but stopping to think about the things that was written in it. i cam to the conclussion that i DO belive what is written in there,not just belive but have held most of those opinions myslef for years. i do belive i am a satanist,granted i still have emotinal ties to the christian church but that's to be expected.

Im not trying to combine 2 diffrent religions,i don't want the best of both worlds, i just still have a wee bit of christian dogma in me (i have been brain washed after all lol)

solomon,

you are right i am searching because i not finding anything i can identify with in the christian church, i am finding it in Satanism though,and have found it in satanism.

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#30491 - 03/14/04 03:07 AM Re: A Common Misconception
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Registered: 01/29/04
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Perhaps some research would help you clean your brain. Did you know that Jesus was assembled from earlier mythical characters and events, and there's not a single evidence of that he ever lived?

Have you ever heard of Mithras, who was born on December 25th of a virgin mother, who died and who rose again from the dead, and who was called "Son of God" and "Saviour"?

Have you ever heard of Krishna, the second person in the Hindu Trinity, who was born of the virgin Devaki in a cave, which at the time of his birth was miraculously illuminated?
Did you know that the crucified Krishna is pictured on the cross with arms extended? Pierced by an arrow while hanging on the cross, Krishna died, but descended into Hell from which he rose again on the third day and ascended into Heaven...

And Osiris, the "Anointed One", who came to fulfill the law, who walked on water, and who was born of a virgin mother at (surprise!) December 25th, with his birth announced by a star and attended by three wise men? Betrayed by Typhon, crucified between two thieves on the 17th day of the month of Athyr. Buried in a tomb from which he arose on the third day (19th Athyr) and was resurrected. His suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated each year by his disciples on the Vernal Equinox -- Easter.

Well, do you find all this familiar? Maybe you'll find this site interesting as well: Pagan Christs.

As of the so called sins, if one actually read the book of Genesis, this person will see that what is commonly called "sin", is in fact a petty trap set by an imperfect and evil being (google for "Ialdabaoth"), who was terrified that his creations, his slaves would "become one of them"... It's like if one mad teacher in the kindergarten would put a bomb decorated with candies and flashing lights into the center of the sandbox, and would tell the three years old children NOT to touch the flashing red button with the skull, and then she would just leave the children, and when one of them, driven by his natural curiosity, would blow themselves up, the teacher would accuse the dead children and shift the responsibility to them...

And finally, I would like to suggest a site by the CoS-member Vexen Crabtree: Bane of Monotheism.

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#30492 - 03/14/04 04:59 AM Re: A Common Misconception
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problebly less a satanist than a satanist who has never had a christian (or any religious) up bringing

What does that have do to with anything?

There is no less Satanic or more Satanic. You are either a Satanist or you are not.
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