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#305488 - 02/10/08 03:12 PM divinity in satanism
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i understand that in satanism, satan is only a force of nature... but is it viewed that this force has a mind? or is satanism atheistic?

also lavey dropped out of high school. i take it that he has no formal education concerning evolution and natural universe. NOT ripping on him, as i'm an atheist myself.

But what was his take on things? Concerning creation of and nature of the universe?

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#305492 - 02/10/08 03:16 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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It's a simple answer.

Read The Satanic Bible. The answers to this and all your questions will be found therein.
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#305505 - 02/10/08 03:55 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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also lavey dropped out of high school. i take it that he has no formal education concerning evolution and natural universe.
So?

If you have seen the movie "Good Will Hunting", you can probably remember the scene where the protagonist tells someone that "You dropped 150 grand on a fuckin' education you could've got for $1.50 in late charges at the public library."

Have you tried the public library?

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#305513 - 02/10/08 04:41 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: Powaqqatsi]
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That's true. But most atheists I have seen out in the world are generally educated people that have studied deep into the matter and from those studied made that conclusion.

Then there is the atheist who simply doesn't care to.

I happen to be somewhere in the middle ;-)

Now seeing that LaVey was a very intelligent man. Do any of you know personally anyone who is a high school dropout, but is an atheist by choice and intelligence?

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#305516 - 02/10/08 04:55 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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Are you the type of person who is content with the information that you get from second hand sources? How would you ever know that the information is correct? Do yourself a favor and do your own research. Monkeys go hungry here!
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#305517 - 02/10/08 04:58 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: Lust]
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LOL Nice.
I don't have the money to afford such research. But the question really does cross my mind often about evolution and whatnot.

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#305518 - 02/10/08 04:59 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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Even educated but thrifty atheists need to post a proper introduction.

Please observe board rules.

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#305519 - 02/10/08 04:59 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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Then go to the library!

This is all.
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#305520 - 02/10/08 05:02 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: Lust]
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i understand and respect that this is not my domain, and will act respectfully ocncerning proper introductions in my future posts.

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#305521 - 02/10/08 05:19 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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Read the Satanic Bible.

If you happen to read some of the previous posts I've made up until now, you'll see how much of a pretentious ass I've been on the subject. Dr. Lavey explains in clear detail what Satan is and represents. I won't dare try and interpret his wisdom.

As far as knowing any athiests are concerned...well, their athiests. They don't believe in any god or religion, so what is there to really talk about.
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#305523 - 02/10/08 05:26 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: Damaeon96]
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I have just began reading it. I'm getting quite interested.
The information I'm going on is biographies and wikipedia.

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#305524 - 02/10/08 05:30 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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Same mistake I made.
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#305526 - 02/10/08 05:44 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: Damaeon96]
devilsadvocate Offline


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i AM reading it though. I'm finding that the stuff in his book is much different than the stuff i read elsewhere.

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#305547 - 02/10/08 08:51 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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 Originally Posted By: devilsadvocate
Do any of you know personally anyone who is a high school dropout, but is an atheist by choice and intelligence?


Yes, plenty of people.

I don't see what dropping out of school has to do with atheism.

IN fact, there is a CoS Magister who is WELL educated AND dropped out of school (although, I don't know him personally).

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#305562 - 02/10/08 10:00 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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I declared myself an atheist at 16. I don't really see what finishing high school has to do with it. I was not taught evolution or any advanced science in high school or even university. In high school I learned basic chemistry and how to efficiently skin a cat and identify it's muscles. Everything else about science and religion, I read on my own from buying books. But at 16, I had read nothing about the subject. It just didn't make sense to me to believe in something that I had no proof of- and something totally ridiculous at that.

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#305604 - 02/11/08 06:44 AM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: Malakuma]
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Malakuma. Wonderful reply. Thank you :-)
To the Moderators first I'm working on my introduction now. Trying to guess from reading the others whether a longer one or a digest is most suitable.
In high school, I knew people who declared themselves atheist having no completed education concerning the matter. Wow, that offers a lot of insight into my question. Thank you for being so bright.
As to whichever of the CoS Leaders is a dropout and an atheist, perfect :-) I guess it's more of an emotional decision than a researched one.
Alike to actually having a religion, to where you dont have much knowledge about the matter, only that for that moment you know the basics to be true.
Pardon the poor connection between atheists and religionists. I understand that was a very weak point. But it helped me some.
Thank you again Malakuma.

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#305706 - 02/11/08 01:56 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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#305714 - 02/11/08 02:30 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: tekku]
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Yeah. I don't think too many people are interested.

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#305715 - 02/11/08 02:30 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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In my dumb shit question, that is.

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#305862 - 02/11/08 09:59 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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I dropped out of high school as well. I also graduated a year early with a diploma and went on to college. Oddly enough that has nothing to do with my take on creationism.
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#306078 - 02/12/08 04:16 PM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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 Originally Posted By: devilsadvocate
i understand that in satanism, satan is only a force of nature... but is it viewed that this force has a mind? or is satanism atheistic?

You've got some reading to do.

 Originally Posted By: devilsadvocate
also lavey dropped out of high school. i take it that he has no formal education concerning evolution and natural universe. NOT ripping on him, as i'm an atheist myself.

He wasn't a biologist, if that's what you mean. Of course you don't need a degree in biology to be a keen observer and understand human nature. Regardless, what does this have to do with atheism? There are plenty of theists who accept evolution, not to mention atheists who deny evolution (go research the Raelian Movement).

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But what was his take on things? Concerning creation of and nature of the universe?

Ultimately irrelevant. See The Satanic Bible.
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#306087 - 02/12/08 04:57 PM In this very forum... [Re: devilsadvocate]
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#306406 - 02/13/08 01:06 PM Re: In this very forum... [Re: Nemo]
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I'm highly educated, but the only thing that made me an athiest was experience. Books had nothing to do with it.
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#307208 - 02/16/08 02:53 AM Re: In this very forum... [Re: inverted]
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I think that there is no need to be in school to get an intelligence superior to the other school but sometimes if it is a good tool but not if necessary for the intellectual development.

The individual can learn from what they see, read, touch, or hear without resorting to a school but as any mention sometimes it is necessary to improve certain personal skills that were hidden or that were already but we had not been aware of them

Greetings!
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#307231 - 02/16/08 04:43 AM Re: In this very forum... [Re: eduardogallegos]
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We are living in a time where there is no longer any excuse for being uninformed. For all the crap of it, the internet is still a mighty step ahead in making information of all kinds accessible to any- and everybody.

What would take you a lifetime to gather only 50 years ago can now be accessed within an afternoon of informed and directed search. We can only speculate about what this will mean in the long run.

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#307252 - 02/16/08 06:30 AM Re: divinity in satanism [Re: devilsadvocate]
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You're quite welcome.

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