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#308513 - 02/21/08 07:46 PM Satanists are born not made - what follows from this?
Autophilius Offline
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Greetings to all Satanists!

I have a question. I'd be grateful if you might take the time to answer.
I have been thinking about the slogan "Satanists are born not made".
Innate attributes are encoded in the DNA. As Satanists are a small minority, that would mean, that a Satanic character is encoded by one or, more likely, several recessive genes.
That would mean, that a Satanist could be found by genetic analysis. If a person has the gene, that would be a better proof of her Satanic nature than membership or anything else.

What do you think about this?

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#308514 - 02/21/08 07:59 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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 Quote:
I have been thinking about the slogan "Satanists are born not made".
Innate attributes are encoded in the DNA. As Satanists are a small minority, that would mean, that a Satanic character is encoded by one or, more likely, several recessive genes.
That would mean, that a Satanist could be found by genetic analysis. If a person has the gene, that would be a better proof of her Satanic nature than membership or anything else.


I feel the statement "Satanists are born not made" has nothing to do with genetics. It's simply a matter of application. After I read The Satanic Bible it enhanced my LIFE! Allowing me to rise and move, my world is mine because I have made it so. It's been one hell of a ride! H.S.!


Edited by Nephilim (02/21/08 08:09 PM)
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#308539 - 02/21/08 08:49 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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There could be that chance that there is such a gene, but it would be a bit hard in some aspects to pin-point it I think.

Satanists will share similar qualities such as philosophical views and whatnot, but other than that, physical appearance and personalities are going to be vastly different as there are quite a few variables, not to mention it would be a little sketchy figuring out a control.

Of course, it could be based on LaVey, but of course he had certain personality quirks that are different from other Satanists.

I'm not a geneticist by ANY means, but it would be a difficult task I'm sure.

Very interesting topic though, thanks for the thought, Autophilius.

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#308544 - 02/21/08 08:54 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Philotechnic]
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I don't think that it would be something in the DNA. I mean, there might be certain markers, but I don't take that as a guarantee. I'd rather let people's actions speak for them.
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#308553 - 02/21/08 09:16 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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Who would go out of their way to do such research? If one was successful in tracking down a Satanist, by using this means, what then?

"If a person has the gene, that would be a better proof of her Satanic nature than membership or anything else."

Becoming a Member of the Church of Satan, is not proof of someone who "walks the walk" so to speak. Becoming a Member is a way to show ones support for what Doctor Anton Szandor LaVey, started in 1966. At least it is for me.

Real world success is the proof in the pudding (Based on the individuals desires). Those who strive for this, and reach it would be your most likely candidates to have such a "gene".
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#308563 - 02/21/08 10:12 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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No. I think you're reading too much into this. It's a slogan that's intended to mean that Satanism is something that only suits certain kinds of people, with certain kinds of personality - a certain outlook on the world, a certain sense of style, a certain sense of humor, etc. And we recognize that the traits that make us Satanist have always set us apart, even when we were young.

It has nothing to do with DNA. (Anyway even if the slogan were literally true - not everything inborn is genetic.)


Edited by reprobate (02/21/08 10:13 PM)
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#308581 - 02/21/08 11:26 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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Even when you're looking at DNA, there's still no absolute guarantees as to how a person will turn out, especially since there are so many genes in the equation, and since socialization plays a crucial role, too.

And, since even Satanists are diverse, we hardly share one type of genetic code.
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#308583 - 02/21/08 11:34 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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I think you would enjoy reading up on epigenetics.

The old assumptions have become outdated in the face of new evidence.

Have fun!

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#308588 - 02/22/08 01:18 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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I take "born not made" to mean "Satanism has to come naturally to you; this isn't a religion you can convert to through will and devotion."

As for genetics, there have plenty of Satanists with very naturally unsatanic parents and siblings, and not to mention Satanic couples who had offspring that clearly turned out to not be Satanists. So I don't see how genetics could really significantly fit in.
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#308603 - 02/22/08 03:27 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: TrojZyr]
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 Originally Posted By: TrojZyr
Even when you're looking at DNA, there's still no absolute guarantees as to how a person will turn out, especially since there are so many genes in the equation, and since socialization plays a crucial role, too.


Socialization is what people are made in my understanding.

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And, since even Satanists are diverse, we hardly share one type of genetic code.


Really? Don't we share 98% of it even with the monkeys?

Best wishes

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#308606 - 02/22/08 03:48 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Bill_M]
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Hi there!

 Originally Posted By: Bill_M
I take "born not made" to mean "Satanism has to come naturally to you; this isn't a religion you can convert to through will and devotion."


Oh, I didn't know, you could select your religion or opinion by just a deliberate decision with no regards how you feel about it. Hm, maybe some people do and are just playing theatre, and that's what LaVey meant, when he said, many so-called Christians are just faking, but in fact act Satanic? Did I understand you right?

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As for genetics, there have plenty of Satanists with very naturally unsatanic parents and siblings, and not to mention Satanic couples who had offspring that clearly turned out to not be Satanists. So I don't see how genetics could really significantly fit in.


As all other genetically coded attributes which don't show up in every generation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recessive_gene

Best wishes

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#308609 - 02/22/08 03:56 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Nemo]
Autophilius Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Nemo
I think you would enjoy reading up on epigenetics.
The old assumptions have become outdated in the face of new evidence.


Ah, thanks for the advice!
But I'm not sure, if it's important to my question, if a certain attribute is encoded in the DNA itself or in an epigenetic feature. In both cases, you could find Satanists by analyzing what's inside a cell nucleus.

Best wishes

Autophilius
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#308610 - 02/22/08 04:02 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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Yes, I agree with Bill_M on the matter. That's why one could fake being a Raelist for whatever purpose of personal gain. However, the only gain I've seen so far is their view on sex(Personal gain here being getting laid more often... well perhaps, no certainity on that). Was not enough to entice me to fake being something of that nature.

On another note just because I go to a Christian church every so often, or have Christian friends does not make me a Christian. Just as it would not make a person a Satanist just by simply being a card holding member of the Church of Satan or reading the The Satanic Bible. They could very well live in a manner that would be contradictory to the Satanic philosophy.

Now the topic I find very interesting. I know little of DNA and genetics, only what I vaguely recall from High School. I must say though that it's mostly speculation. One does not need a specific gene or anything to be Satanic in nature. Correct?


Edited by FalloutGod (02/22/08 04:55 AM)
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#308615 - 02/22/08 04:40 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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I definitely dont think it has to do with genetics in any case. See, my parents are extremely catholic (to an extreme extent), and so is the rest of my family, excepting me.
In fact, I do share very few passions and/or points of view with my parents. The only thing I share with them is passion for music but then again, they love classical music but HATE metal I actually do love both, and also used to perform classical music at a younger stage. Sometimes I even wonder if I really am my parents son.
So, I think the human race just strolls around life in search for I. Most of the human animals normally dont find it, as they are searching in the wrong direction; they focus on the outside, desperately trying to find an outer God while they should dive deep inside themselves.
My oppinion is that there is a potential Satanist in each human animal, but you need the Will to begin with the search, the Strength to keep on going and the Guts to accept it and take it, once youve found it. And precisely THAT is not genetical.
Only a few of us are able to dig our own out of the herd-mass.

H.S.
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#308645 - 02/22/08 09:29 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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Satanism is a non-conformist way of thinking that one can not subscribe to. You either have been living your life as a Satanist without knowing it or you aren't a Satanist. It is really quite that simple. That is not to say that some of us haven't been confused at some point in their life, but if one must change any aspect of their behavior to be a Satanist, you aren't a Satanist.

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#308648 - 02/22/08 09:38 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Adveser]
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 Originally Posted By: Adveser
That is not to say that some of us haven't been confused at some point in their life, but if one must change any aspect of their behavior to be a Satanist, you aren't a Satanist.


If you change your behavoir to be a Satanist, then you are not one. Change of behavoir can be done because you've fallen into a bad habit. If essentially you revolve around the philosophy and in turn end up living as a Satanist you are one. Even Satanists make mistakes, some make worse mistakes than others. It's what you do about your mistakes that matters rather than the mistake(in most cases with the exceptions of rape or something of that nature). I know some things are just so unacceptably stupid that they would deny a person membership.

That's my understanding from what some of the Priests and Magisters have said.

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#308672 - 02/22/08 11:28 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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We do share 98% of it with chimps, but from there, how do you build a Satanist?

For example, Magister Nemo and I are both Satanists. But, each of us is different. So, how do you determine which traits or especially, which genes determined our Satanism, and which ones merely complemented it, or had no effect? That's tricky.

Then, you have to remember that the experiences we've had have also shaped us. Even having a supposedly pristine genetic code is no guarantee.
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#308737 - 02/22/08 03:59 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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 Originally Posted By: Autophilius
Greetings to all Satanists!
I have a question. I'd be grateful if you might take the time to answer.
I have been thinking about the slogan "Satanists are born not made".
Innate attributes are encoded in the DNA. As Satanists are a small minority, that would mean, that a Satanic character is encoded by one or, more likely, several recessive genes.


My view is that this has nothing to do with genetics and DNA. Certainly, the genes we inherent from our ancestors do have an influence on what we are. But what actually forms our 'personality' is based on what we experience in very early life.

The first two years of our life is the time when we are able to learn the most. It is the time when our physical brain is still malleable. It is the time and place where the identity of what we are is constructed.

However, during those first two years, we are utterly unable to exist on our own. So, while we have already been 'born' in a strict, physiological way, we are still not complete.

The things we experience and encounter in those primal years of our life, is what shapes the person we later become.

And I think it is this what those lines you mentioned are supposed to mean: Those foundations built in the early years of our lives are almost impossible to destroy later in our life.

Therefore, looking for some particular gene responsible for turning people into what they are or what they ain't is quite a futile endeavor, methinks.

ja ne,

-andy

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#308793 - 02/22/08 08:42 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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 Originally Posted By: Autophilius
Oh, I didn't know, you could select your religion or opinion by just a deliberate decision with no regards how you feel about it. Hm, maybe some people do and are just playing theatre, and that's what LaVey meant, when he said, many so-called Christians are just faking, but in fact act Satanic? Did I understand you right?


What I'm saying is, a person CAN for example become a Buddhist, or a Catholic, or a Wiccan, or whatever, by 1) saying "I want to take this up as my religion", 2) accepting the metaphysical dogma on faith (this miracle happened, these deities exist, etc.), 3) adhering to the moral behavior codes (do this, don't do that), and 4) taking part in any required ceremonial duties such as a baptism, weekly services, and other rites.

In contrast, you don't become a Satanist via religous devotion. To quote the FAQ in the COS information pack, "To try is to lie". It doesn't start with "Gee, I really want to be a Satanist". We say right out that this religion isn't for everybody. Plus, there is no dogma in Satanism that is faith-based. There's a reason why the Statements are "Statements" and not "Commandments". And self-sacrifice is not part of Satanism. As for Satanic ceremonies, they are performed only when and as desired. So you can't be "made" into a Satanist the same way that one might be "made" into a Buddhist or Catholic.

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As all other genetically coded attributes which don't show up in every generation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recessive_gene

Like I said earlier, we've seen Satanic couples who had offspring who weren't Satanists. Do I have to draw a Punett square? \:\)
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#308794 - 02/22/08 08:43 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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If evidence was found in DNA that set Satanist apart, and this was found to be missing from your own DNA, would you live your life any different?

Would a Satanist need any scientific evidence to justify the way they live on a daily basis?

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#308797 - 02/22/08 09:06 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Bill_M]
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You know, I actually drew a Satanic Punett square once, for fun. I couldn't decide if Satanism was dominant (S) or recessive (s), though.
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#308842 - 02/23/08 04:52 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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 Originally Posted By: Autophilius

Really? Don't we share 98% of it even with the monkeys?


Sharing 98% of DNA with chimps does not prove one way or another that Satanists share a genetic code.

To go back to something you said in your original post:

 Originally Posted By: Autophilius

If a person has the gene, that would be a better proof of her Satanic nature than membership or anything else.


Is there any need to prove or validate one's Satanic nature, or to prove or validate that one is a Satanist? No. Either you're a Satanist or you're not.


Edited by Fenriz (02/23/08 04:54 AM)

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#308880 - 02/23/08 10:53 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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Satanists are born goes much further then you think.

True Satanic qualities can be measured by something called "Medichlorians" that are in our blood stream.

I hope that one day, testing will be necessary at birth. This way we can find potential Satanists, and train these younglings in the ways of Magic, so that we, the Satanic Community, may further smite our enemies, the Christians, the Jews, the Masons, the Illuminati, and the Seven Spears of Stegfalfadesh.

On a less silly note...


I think this statement "Satanists are born, not made." is simply...well, looked into a little too deeply. I find that is a common issue with many things 'round here, it gets read into just a little too much. It is good perhaps, to stimulate thought, but can be dangerous if it starts straying away from the statements original intention.

"Satanists are born, not made." is to me at least, extremely straight-forward. (as is the rest of TSB.) As Warlock Fenriz put it, you either are, or you're not. Whether it has anything to do with genetics, DNA, or any of that, is an interesting THOUGHT of course, but I don't think, a necessary one.

If you read TSB, point your finger and say, "That's me, that's me!" have no need to "adapt" the material presented, and don't have to change YOUR life to CALL yourself a Satanist, then, that's it. It is natural to you, always has been...thus, you were born that way.

One cannot go from a criminal god-believing, irrational moron, however, to "become" a full fledged Satanist. It won't happen, there is no point to even try. Many do, and WILL, of course, because "SATAN IS MY DRAK LORDS AND HE WILL BURN EVERHTING IN TEH FLAMES OF HELL HAIL SATIN!" but eventually, the fad might wear off...or at least, they won't get any recognition from the CoS, or any real Satanist out there.

Science is not necessary to prove those who ARE, from those who will never be.

Sometimes a quick browse through their Myspace page, or reading a few of their posts here can do that just fine \:\)

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#308944 - 02/23/08 03:52 PM what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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#308950 - 02/23/08 04:05 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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It generally just means "If you ain't one you won't ever be one."

Genetics doesn't really have to enter the picture, though obviously there are genetic factors that could play into it.
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#308970 - 02/23/08 05:22 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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Do you plan to make a study of it ?

Is it something your curious to find out, or just want to converse about?

I wonder if it's just the strict physical phenomenon in the blood cell, or the circumstances of the environment in which we evolved.

As Bill_M pointed out with evolution in music certain things had to happen prior for things to be what they are. Like LaVey for example and the TSB. We all would have wound up as something else. ( I don't dear think what ).

Or looking a the state of society something else may well have come along to fill the void.

I think Phosis is right what your looking for is "mitochondria" an abnormality in the blood that causes "magic" an idea that inspired Parasite Eve, Akira, and Science to find the source in people that makes them special. So they could no doubt profit from this Mana and restore equality, or take over the world with super soldiers.

Hypothetically speaking of course.


Edited by Shandra Rose (02/23/08 08:06 PM)
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#308999 - 02/23/08 07:46 PM Sorry but... [Re: Autophilius]
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You really need to read up on it.

You are missing the critical point quite clearly.

Have fun!

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#309716 - 02/26/08 08:49 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Good evening!

 Originally Posted By: Phosis
Satanists are born goes much further then you think.
True Satanic qualities can be measured by something called "Medichlorians" that are in our blood stream.


Lol! You're really great!

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If you ... don't have to change YOUR life to CALL yourself a Satanist


Ah, that's the point! Thanks you for sharing your thoughts with me.
Thanks also the all the other people who replied to my postings, you were really a great help

Best wishes

Autophilius
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#310051 - 02/27/08 11:47 AM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Autophilius]
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I think the "satanists are born not made" is a slogan and just a slogan. A piece of satanic propaganda appealing to us satanists because in the end of the day we have all become interested in satanism for personal gain and due to egocentricity. Any subjective perspective (in my subjective perspective hehe)is shaped by our experiences. For instance LaVey himself was quoted as saying "I am a Christian refugee", suggesting that his views on christianity (which are some of the defining characteristics of Satanism) were shaped by his past experiences! So satanists are made not born and we should all be weary of propaganda in every avenue of our life even those which we think to be our refuge.

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#310054 - 02/27/08 12:03 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Empiricist]
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Could you make it any more obvious that you're here looking to pick a fight with people?
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#310056 - 02/27/08 12:07 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Magister_Harris]
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That or they unknowingly made a faux pas. I understand what they are trying to say but they could have used less coerce terminology. Not to mention they don't grasp the meaning of the statement.


Edited by FalloutGod (02/27/08 12:09 PM)

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#310104 - 02/27/08 02:32 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Empiricist]
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Wrong.

It is a very deep statement predicated on the observations of Dr. LaVey.

What "we" should be wary of is pseudo-Satanists who came here to stir the pot with nonsense, demonstrating their ignorance on the subject of Satanism, The COS and Dr. LaVey.
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#310106 - 02/27/08 02:43 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Phineas]
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Yes, it is quite humorous sometimes when people attempt to stupe Dr. LaVey down to their own level of stupidity and make idiotic statements.
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#310114 - 02/27/08 03:16 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Unknown]
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I find it interesting. As I study Satanism I study mySELF. I don't know if this man has a point or not, all I know is I want to know more and more about myself so that I can get the MOST out of my life. He could be right, but it's up to him to do the work to solidify his question of being true or false.

The way I see it according to my life, is Satanism leads me back to my self. It demolishes the blame game, and it makes me realize that I'm the one got to get the job done.

When people go into religions that lead them further away from themselves, they detract from Satan, they detract from themselves. Like the number nine, it leads back to itself everytime.

I have so much to learn about myself until how in the hell can i possibly know anything about someone else or their experiences in their life. It is about me, and although I naturally care for like minded individuals like myself, what could i possibly contribute, if I don't FIRST contrbute to myself. One is the lonliest number.

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#310117 - 02/27/08 03:27 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: SinisterSLA6669]
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Eli Manning #10 throws the LEFT corner of the enzone to Plexico Burress(sp)#17 for the winning touchdown over New England. 10 + 17 = 27 2+7 =9
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#310119 - 02/27/08 03:38 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: SinisterSLA6669]
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And for the NY GIANTS to get to the superbowl Lawrence Tyne # 9 had to kick the winning field goal in overtime against Green Bay. I wonder what the L stands for in SLA. In the superbowl The NY Giants won 17 to 14 and I laughed when I realized that it was # 17 who caught the ball. 1+7=8 and to me this represents the Satanic age, I got the MOST pleasure and entertainment out of that superbowl, because I could see was Satan(me)
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#310155 - 02/27/08 06:21 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: SinisterSLA6669]
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 Originally Posted By: SinisterSLA6669
I don't know if this man has a point or not,.... He could be right,....



He doesn't, and he isn't.

This has been addressed here already.
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#310330 - 02/28/08 01:03 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Phineas]
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All i'm saying is that I think satanists are shaped by the experiences we encounter, which i think we can all agree with. I'm not seeking to diminish the philosophy of LaVey by deeming it propaganda but of course there will be propaganda involved in spreading awareness of satanism! I'm certainly not looking for a fight ! I understand that we are all satanists because we have identified with the satanic doctrines but WHY is this? Were we all satanic fetuses? Or were we led into this mindset by our own experiences! On top of this OF COURSE we must be weary of propaganda in every avenue of our lives! If we are not critical of EVERYTHING (even satanism) then we can fall prey to any number of subversive methods of indoctrination. To trust the CoS any more than we trust any other establishment would be hugely naive. You claim to be satanists and yet i see a lot of idolization in the form of LaVey here! Make your own fucking decisions rather than regurgitating the Doktor's the whole time! And everyone stop claiming to be "experts" on satanism. I'll bow to your superiority when you've usurped Gilmore you conceited twats.

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#310331 - 02/28/08 01:06 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Phineas]
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And this hasn't been "addressed" yet Phineas not one of you have justified your perspectives. So actually argue your point rather than making inane criticisms with no foundations except for the fact that "i don't understand satanism" Well if i don't make me understand! Educate me!

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#310333 - 02/28/08 01:08 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Empiricist]
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Why should we?

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#310340 - 02/28/08 01:21 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: FalloutGod]
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Why don't you justify your viewpoint? Why else would you be participating in this discussion?

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#310344 - 02/28/08 01:29 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Empiricist]
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OR is this the "elitist" factor coming into play again? Because this forum is so blatantly composed of the defining personalities of our society! Stop kidding yourselves! We are all worthless and insignificant and paying $200 to be part of an organized religion aint gonna change that. Stop swallowing all this bullshit and make your own decisions why would the thoughts of one man (LaVey) ring true universally? Why should we agree with every aspect of satanism? Because we are inherently inclined to? Bullfuckingshit.

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#310348 - 02/28/08 01:31 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Empiricist]
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I, nor anyone else in the COS, are here to educate you.

All you have to do is study.

Your intentions are crystal clear . Your kind has been here before.
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#310353 - 02/28/08 01:36 PM Re: Satanists are born not made - what follows from this? [Re: Empiricist]
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*ding* You sir, have failed.


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