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#312501 - 03/06/08 02:14 PM Unexplainable dreams.
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I always try to find a logical explanation for everything. Some times I encounter phenomena that could be easily attributed to supernatural or paranormal causes, but that would be the easy way out. Accepting what I don’t understand as plainly supernatural is the same kind of thinking that makes most people fall in the traps of theism and superstition.

I analyze unexplainable things and try to find their cause according to the laws of a material Universe. But some times I find things that defy any explanation… at least any my level of knowledge can provide.

One of those unexplainable things are “clairvoyant” dreams. I call them that word for lack of a more precise one. I’m talking about dreams where I receive information that I couldn’t have obtained by any rationally explained means.

I know our brains work hard when we are asleep and some times our kind put together pieces of information from our subconscious and make us see things we don’t realize in our waking state. But what when I get information there absolutely no way my own mind could have processed out of thin air?

I’ll give some examples of the most common kinds:

1-A person I haven’t seen in long time appears to me in a dream to tell me he has died and gives me details.

Later I confirm the person is indeed dead and the details are accurate. This happened to me a couple of times, always with a person who I had not seen in years and the details on his death weren’t available to me by any physical methods. There is no way I could have pieced the event together with such detail with no information available.

A variation of this is when I dream of a person I haven’t seen in long time. He tells me details of his recent life (he got married, found a new job) Later I meet this person again, and I’m surprised to find the details are correct.

2-I visit a place in a dream and witness some kind of event. The place of the dream is a real location but looks completely different. Several years later (ten in one particular case) the place has changed, buildings have been torn down and new ones constructed, remodeling and landscaping have been done and the now place looks exactly like the one I saw in the dream.

This is another that defies explanation. I could say my mind can extrapolate by the look of a building and imagine how it would look in a few years, but that can’t explain seen things like the shape of specific architectural details down to the color of a wall or the shape of a window.

3-I dream of an object that doesn’t exist. Some time later, this object is constructed and available.

This has always related to technology. It could make sense, since I have been always interested in computers and electronic gadgets. So it is logic I would dream of the next technological toy.

But what are the chances of my mind guessing the exact design and shape of a machine that will be designed and built in the future? In this one I can provide an example (I know some will laugh at me here) I saw the Sony Playstation Portable (PSP) in a dread I had in the early 90’s. At that moment I had no idea of what it was. I assumed it was some kind of handheld computer from the future. In the dream I had it in my hands and examined it close. I don’t know if there was something available at that time that had the same way of operation: the screen in the middle and controls at the sides to manipulate with your thumbs. If there was, I hadn’t seen it. One detail that stuck in my mind was the curious geometric figures on the buttons on the right side.

Years later when the Playstation came out I was surprised to see that familiar shape again. Even if the concept or prototype for the device was already created at the moment of my dream I had no way to know about it.

I would like to know if someone here has this kind of experiences.

And more importantly, what kind of explanation do you give to these occurrences when a dream contains information you had no logical way to obtaining.
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#312511 - 03/06/08 02:48 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Yes I have had some rather detailed dreams manifest into something as a real event in the everyday world. Going into more detailed specifics of how to make use of this, I can not discuss here. Though there are plenty of books available covering these topics. Colin Wilson has some fantastic books that delve into the areas of the paranormal, consciousness, occult, possible life after death, and other areas many people do not probe deep enough to have a solid yeah that is true or no that is not true.

Mysteries

Afterlife: An Investigation

Alien Dawn: By Colin Wilson

Also might take a look at this book: A Secret History of Consciousness by Gary, Lachman (Author), Colin, Wilson (Foreword)

You just have to do a kind of personal self testing when these things pop up to find what is truly possible in this realm of individual consciousness. The best thing I can say right now is to try and learn how to make use of Lucid Dreaming.

Also practicing "Shamans" that make use of the dream world have put forth the idea that if you can interact effectively in a Lucid manner with your dreams, you can in a way manifest your will in the everyday world.

Edited to add another book.


Edited by JayLucif (03/06/08 04:15 PM)
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#312579 - 03/06/08 07:29 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I have similar dreams and I have them often. There must be something to it; however, I'm careful not to jump to conclusions about what that "something" is. Here is my question: Do we dream the future, or do dreams have the potential to shape the future? Is their a correlation between dreams and the principals of Greater Magic? After all, dreams are powerful imagery, and they do elicit an emotional response. But, again, I won’t jump to conclusions. It’s just interesting to think about,

Interesting subject.
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#312583 - 03/06/08 07:55 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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 Quote:

But what are the chances of my mind guessing the exact design and shape of a machine that will be designed and built in the future? In this one I can provide an example (I know some will laugh at me here) I saw the Sony Playstation Portable (PSP) in a dread I had in the early 90’s. At that moment I had no idea of what it was. I assumed it was some kind of handheld computer from the future. In the dream I had it in my hands and examined it close. I don’t know if there was something available at that time that had the same way of operation: the screen in the middle and controls at the sides to manipulate with your thumbs. If there was, I hadn’t seen it. One detail that stuck in my mind was the curious geometric figures on the buttons on the right side.






The Sega Game Gear was black and of a design similar to the PSP and the wonderswan has buttons similar to sony's portable device.

There must be more to it of course, but that is a clue at least. Perhaps your brain works a decade ahead of your time, eh Pig? ;\)

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#312584 - 03/06/08 08:00 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Try substituting "paranormal" & "supernatural" with supernormal. ;\)
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#312586 - 03/06/08 08:47 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I keep many things to myself. Believe it or not. ;\)
As someone who also endeavors to live ratonally, and who has the annoying habit of sucking the life out of any meaningful event people enjoy talking about...I can tell you that being open to the possibility that logic, reason and intellect may have their limitations is anything but taking the easy way out.
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#312635 - 03/07/08 03:10 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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I met one of my good friends in a dream before I ever knew he existed in my waking life. He was an interesting character, moreso then than now, in the manner of dress and style. In the dream, he wore a top hat, long black skirt, not shoes, and no shirt. When I met him at my sisters house, he was there, playing guitar in a long black skirt, top hat, and nothing else.

I became close with him and then proceeded to meet his mother before I met her in another dream. I described her to him in perfect detail, down to a specific skirt she wore, which was an unusal style as well. A floor length blue hippy-type skirt that had camels and paisleys and assorted things. I met her in my dream in her backyard, which I also described, though I had never been there. I was again dead on with with reality. She was very much into the occult as it turns out, and was apparently aware that I had met them this way. I still havent figured that part out, but she died a few years ago, so I have no way of discussing it further.

It hasnt ever happened again quite this vividly, altough I wish it would. I was always just really pleased to expirience it. This family ended up being a big part of my life over the years, and I guess I always just kind of thought it was a strange way of introducing me to a new chapter of my life.

I would love to expirience something like that again.
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#312685 - 03/07/08 10:37 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I would call it intuition, or an instinct about these things.

I wonder how often does it happen? Do you remember the dreams in between as clearly?
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#312686 - 03/07/08 10:39 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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This PDF file might interest you, its a paper about an experiment using random pictures shown to people each one selected to elicit some kind of emotion either good or bad or none at all only the computer that chooses them knows which.

The results of this seem to suggest an emotional response to the picture up to 3 full seconds before its shown and very consistently depending on the person, through the use of a polygraph like skin conductivity test.

If these results are accurate whats to say there aren't deeper precognitive ability's that we all have, the results of the experiment showed that some people display this more than others.

My mother once told me about a dream she had where the front of her family home was on fire just outside the window, that morning she awoke to find that the gas company has recently started digging down the road from her home, she could swear that she smelled gas but no one else could and managed to persuade the workers to check for leaks, sure enough there was a pipe that ran right outside the home just under the same window and using detection equipment they located and fixed a leak that had been caused by the digging which had only started that morning.

Scientific study is needed to determine what is actually going on here, be it precognition or a subtle psychological effect we don't yet understand.

Telepathic projection hasn't been proven conclusively yet forms the basis of Satanic Greater Magic and we all know that definitely does work, although perhaps not why just yet.

Weather we are projecting our emotions into peoples heads when they sleep or augmenting and bolstering our own lesser magical ability's by conducting a psychodrama and nothing else is beside the point, the point is we know it works and in the end the ends are all that really matter.

My advice to you Mr Pig would be to strive to have as many of these dreams as you can and then find a way to use them, it would be a shame if you allowed such a unique gift to go wasted.

Who knows perhaps one day you will be able to fully explain it.
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#312693 - 03/07/08 10:57 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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 Originally Posted By: Tha_Pig
I’m talking about dreams where I receive information that I couldn’t have obtained by any rationally explained means.




Has the information ever been useful to you?
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#312710 - 03/07/08 12:26 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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 Originally Posted By: Tha_Pig

what kind of explanation do you give to these occurrences when a dream contains information you had no logical way to obtaining.



Something is not automatically supernatural if it is beyond human comprehension. I would say that things in nature, or if looking at it on a larger scale – in the universe, things – just work – regardless of whether or not humans understand them.

It is humans that need to organize things, categorize things – put things in a certain order – because they are then easier to understand and memorize. Logic is a tool for easier learning (so far), but not a rule of the universe.

What you are experiencing is beyond explanation of contemporary society, but why should you require an explanation? Why should it not suffice – the sole fact – that it is within your ability to do what you are able to do? Why should you need approval from the herd, a certain ''pat on the back'' – would that add more gravity to your ability?

I have similar experiences often, but I am sorry, I will not share them in a public forum.

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#312711 - 03/07/08 12:35 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: LightAngel]
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 Originally Posted By: LightAngel


What you are experiencing is beyond explanation of contemporary society, but why should you require an explanation?




Interesting point. In another context, such an ability would make one a shaman, “witch doctor” or the “go to” guy for getting winning lottery numbers.

I appreciate your statement that logic is a tool, not part of the fabric of the universe. I think that is a very good point.
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#312714 - 03/07/08 12:55 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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He he I would not reduce this wonderful gift to gipsy fortune-telling because that's not what it is.

A brilliant example, found in nature, is a bird - who has the ability to fly - and it doesn't think about why it is able to fly - it just flies.

Today's mankind is unable to explain this gift, but it may be able to do so one day in the future.

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#312718 - 03/07/08 01:11 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I had a tornado 'dream' (except it was closer to a lucid dream near the border of sleep) where I 'foresaw' a tornado strike upon my city. A month later it happened, in the same location I 'foresaw'. There was even some practical effect of this dream, because on the day of the disaster, when I was about a mile away from the touchdown point, I was much more attentive to how weird the clouds in the sky were getting, and rushed into a building and a concrete-lined bathroom, when other people weren't even noticing anything funny in the sky.

Another effect was that I felt rather unsurprized by the tornado disaster, and unschocked, which is in a sense 'practical'.

There also was a dream about watching a 'sudden flood' come in, from a second-floor window, just a little before the Christmas Tsunami.

 Originally Posted By: Tha_Pig
And more importantly, what kind of explanation do you give to these occurrences when a dream contains information you had no logical way to obtaining.


Boring explanation: Humanimals are instinctively wired to worry about disasters somewhat, so such dream 'hits' are a little more likely than you might think.

Cute speculation: You don't really see the future event; you see the future state of your own brain/mind from the time when you find out about the event. Why that should really be easier to do I don't know, but it's 'cute'.

Wild speculation: Everything we think we know about 'time' is radically wrong.

Whack-out moment: I'm just dreaming you all up right now!!

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#312719 - 03/07/08 01:36 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: shadowraven213]
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The author of this experiment, Dean Radin, wrote a book called Entangled Minds which has been recommended by Magister Nemo a few times on these boards. It goes into considerable detail about the history of psi research and the non-local nature of the mind. There is an entire chapter about precognition and presentiment. It is an excellent book for intelligent people who might be skeptical about the reality of psi phenomena, but would like to know more.

Entangled Minds
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#312732 - 03/07/08 02:52 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Incubus]
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I saw the experiment on the British science T.V. program Horizon and have just started reading about this man.

Quite interesting.
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#312736 - 03/07/08 03:22 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: shadowraven213]
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Here's his website:

http://www.deanradin.com/

He writes a blog and has summaries of his books (Conscious Universe and Entangled Minds).
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#312747 - 03/07/08 04:03 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: JayLucif]
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Thanks for the book recommendations. I will look into them.

I have experimented with "lucid dreams" but I didn't get much results. Dreams appear to come in different flavors. Some are very vivid and realistic, almost indistinguishable from the real life experience. Others are kind of blurry and chaotic.

Usually, when I become aware that I'm dreaming, I wake up almost immediately, so there is no much I can do to interact with the dream scenario. Some times I remain conscious inside the dream for some time and I try to explore around, and even try to change the dream at will, but my success in that has been very limited.
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#312749 - 03/07/08 04:06 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: J. Hagalaz]
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 Originally Posted By: Astratus
Here is my question: Do we dream the future, or do dreams have the potential to shape the future?


I have asked myself that question many time too.
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#312750 - 03/07/08 04:10 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Mr Avarice]
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That is the explanation I try to apply most of the time. I guess my mind extrapolates from already existing technology and comes up with possible future developments.

But some times the details are too precise.

In any case, I would love to find a practical application for that ability. Maybe some company could hire me to "dream" what products the competition is planning to market?
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#312751 - 03/07/08 04:14 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: I'mPerfecting]
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 Originally Posted By: Aka S. R. S.
I would call it intuition, or an instinct about these things.

I wonder how often does it happen? Do you remember the dreams in between as clearly?


It depends. Some times the dreams look very realistic, like a real life experience. And some times it's the more common surreal stream of absurdities.

Often the dreams that contain this kind of information are the realistic kind.
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#312752 - 03/07/08 04:17 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: shadowraven213]
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Thanks for the link.

I concur that I should try to exploit that, but so far I have been unable to obtain any real life advantage out of the dreams.

Most of the time I don't find out a dream was premonitory until the event happens... and then, it's too late to do anything about it.
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#312753 - 03/07/08 04:19 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Perhaps my company will.

Once I have established it, that is! ;\)
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Usually, when I become aware that I'm dreaming, I wake up almost immediately, so there is no much I can do to interact with the dream scenario. Some times I remain conscious inside the dream for some time and I try to explore around, and even try to change the dream at will, but my success in that has been very limited.


Perhaps that is a form of security mechanism that prevents you from tampering with your vision of the future? Or perhaps preventing you from altering the future itself...

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#312754 - 03/07/08 04:26 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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 Originally Posted By: Roho_the_Rooster
 Originally Posted By: Tha_Pig
I’m talking about dreams where I receive information that I couldn’t have obtained by any rationally explained means.



Has the information ever been useful to you?


Not really. And that annoys me.

When I talk to people about that they tell me "Someone is trying to tell you something". With that "someone" usually being a spirit or deity. If that is the case, that entity is not being very helpful communication the message.

When I was younger, relatives took me to all kind of "experts" who tried to deal with the situation. From them I always got two kind of answers.

There were the ones who said I was possessed by evil entities and tried to drive them away with all kind of laughable ceremonies.

And there were the ones who told me I had to develop this ability and use it to help others (but frustratingly not myself) which also ended up in silly rituals with coconuts and ouija boards.

The only thing I learned from those so called experts was they knew even less than me and they were a waste of time.

And yes, I tried to find out the winning numbers for the lottery, but I can't remember them when I wake up.
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#312756 - 03/07/08 04:32 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: LightAngel]
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 Originally Posted By: LightAngel
What you are experiencing is beyond explanation of contemporary society, but why should you require an explanation? Why should it not suffice – the sole fact – that it is within your ability to do what you are able to do? Why should you need approval from the herd, a certain ''pat on the back'' – would that add more gravity to your ability?


I guess I'm just curious. I'm always trying to find explanations for things. It's the way my mind worked since I was a kid. Actually, it always bothered me much to see other people were happy accepting things they saw without trying to explore deeper into their nature.

What I'm looking for is not approval from others, it's an answer for myself.
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#312758 - 03/07/08 04:36 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: LightSnake]
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 Originally Posted By: LightSnake
Wild speculation: Everything we think we know about 'time' is radically wrong.


I'm pretty sure that is the closest to the truth.

But I still miss the link between the nature of time and my mind's perception of it.
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#312760 - 03/07/08 04:42 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Incubus]
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Thanks for the link and the book recommendation.

I guess I have some reading to do.
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#312764 - 03/07/08 04:53 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I'm curious;

Have you tried recording every single one of your dreams?

Do you recall the dreams only after you see them happen in reality? Or were they recorded before you encountered the phenomenon in reality?

Do you experience a lot of Déjà vu, and, last question- are you ambidextrous?
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#312841 - 03/07/08 11:09 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: The_Lightning]
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Usually I remember the dreams, but I don't take notes of them.

I am aware of the dreams I had before the vents occur, but after the event I realize the importance of that particular one.

Yes, I experience Déjà vu some times. I guess everyone does.

And yes, I'm ambidextrous. Is that related?
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#312857 - 03/08/08 01:10 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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 Originally Posted By: Tha_Pig


And yes, I'm ambidextrous. Is that related?


Only if you want to write down your dreams with both hands.
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#312875 - 03/08/08 03:23 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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 Originally Posted By: Tha_Pig
And yes, I'm ambidextrous.


Damn, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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#312904 - 03/08/08 08:56 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I've just been reading about this in Rupert Sheldrake's "The Sense of Being Stared At." It is suggested that Deja vu experiences might seem familiar because of past dreams, which foreshadowed real events. According to auronautical engineer JW Dunne (who has done a lot of study on the topic), it is a good idea to record your dreams- you might notice a lot of interesting things that you would otherwise forget and realize that the phenomenon actually happens more often than you though. As much as I hate to write down my dreams right after waking, I will try this myself and see if I notice anything interesting.

As for a scientific or logical reason, Sheldrake discusses the "field theory of the extended mind," not only in relation to precognintion, but also telepathy and clairvoyance. If you haven't already read about this, you might want to check it out.

Regarding your other question about similar personal experiences, I have had none myself. I have very vivid dreams every night, but unfortunately, I have never noticed anything telepathic or pregocnitive about them.

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#312957 - 03/08/08 01:12 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Time is perceived, in my opinion, through the change of energy.

Energy (science says) cannot be destroyed, it may only change from one form to another.

The idea of time is a human fabrication, just as many other scientific concepts that were created in an effort to explain nature and the universe. What science does is – it creates a number for every natural phenomenon. This comes from the measurement of time, length, different parameters. In this measurement process, a set of measured parameters is assigned to a mathematical formula that is then supposed to describe a natural phenomenon. That – is science. And the better the agreement between a mathematical formula and the set of values – the better the theory.

If you imagine that you define a certain part of the universe. When I say define – I mean – put certain boundaries around it – boundaries that are actually limitations of how much information you are able to observe (or to be aware of). Then in that part of the universe you observe the behavior of energy that is contained within it. You observe that there is a change – let's say that you see a green light turn red. Then you wait a little more and you observe that it turned green again. Then you notice that lights change in a periodical fashion. Then you call the period between the green light and the red light – an hour. And there you are – you are measuring time.

And then you start introducing the concepts of the past (how many times the light has changed in the last 2 hours), of the present (the light is e.g. green now) and the future (it's safe to assume that it's going to change a couple of times in the next 2 hours). The concept of future, in this case, also includes the tool of logic, which is also a human fabrication, a tool used for prediction of parameters of nature.

After this whole story – you take a little step back – and you see that you have made many measurements, and you've got a ton of papers with numbers written down stacked in a cabinet in your office.

My point is that the human perception of time is under heavy influence of what science says, and my suggestion is that you should seek for an answer elsewhere.

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#312959 - 03/08/08 01:26 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Loc: Israel
Yes, I thought I recalled seeing you work with both hands somewhere, but wasn't sure.

There is no evidential connection- I just think maybe this unique ability might somehow explain the phenomenon you experience (be it supernatural or not).

You are completely a 100% certain that you dreamed the event as it happened later, and there is no chance that when the event happened you merely had a very strong sensation that you've already dreamed it (while you actually haven't)?
Can you actually say, in such a situation, "I know what you're going to say:_____" and be correct? Or is it an afterthought of "I knew you'd say that!"?

The possibility of future-telling via dreams is truly amazing.
I recall it happened to me once, a very long time ago, and it blew my mind away.
Unfortunately though, it never happened to me since.

If you are certain of this ability- well, that's absolutely amazing. And indeed, recording your dreams might be a huge asset.
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#313117 - 03/09/08 12:26 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Old_Pig]
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There is a movie called "Waking Life" that may interest you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_life
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#313645 - 03/10/08 08:07 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Enchantress]
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Posts: 48
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Here is my question: Do we dream the future, or do dreams have the potential to shape the future?


I would say possibly both, I have had dreams similar to what The Pig has mentioned. And I think that is unlikely that my dream would of influenced reality, however I have found that sometimes my thoughts may have.

Of course I can't jump to any conclusions (based upon information that isn't solid), and of course I certainly wouldn't attribute this to any deity as some people who have had similar experiences do.

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I have experimented with "lucid dreams" but I didn't get much results.


This may be of interest to you:
Hacking your brain: The projection of consciousness
http://phrack.com/issues.html?issue=64&id=16#article


Edited by Morganti (03/10/08 08:11 PM)

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#313995 - 03/12/08 03:07 AM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Morganti]
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Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 15
Reality is subjective. Nothing is impossible. The point really being that we as humanity probably have a lot more potential and power than we actually credit to ourselves.

For instance it has been found that Deja vu is nothing more than the minds conceptualization of two similar places and times. So you go somewhere to see someone or do something and your subconscious mind, using places and faces from as long as 50 years ago, will remedy a picture of that memory using new information. Making you feel and in some cases believe you have seen this one event in time before. When in reality you haven't.

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#314078 - 03/12/08 12:29 PM Re: Unexplainable dreams. [Re: Charlie D]
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Nothing is impossible.


Can you prove this?
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