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#313482 - 03/10/08 08:45 AM Please give me your opinions on this article.
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I found this article to be confusing. In my search on anything LaVey, I continue to find articles that contradict one another. In this article, it is said that Zeena and Karla are basically estranged. In something else I read, it stated that both girls were very active in The Church of Satan, and following their father's footsteps. Also, I read that ASL's birthday was April 23, 1930. Now I read it is April 11, 1930. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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#313483 - 03/10/08 08:49 AM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: MissMina1556]
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I recommend this being posted in the Questions about the Church of Satan thread to get a clear answer.

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#313484 - 03/10/08 08:52 AM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: Philotechnic]
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Thank you. How do I re-post this in that section? I'm new to the forums. I am still learning my way around. I would appreciate your help in showing me how to move this question.

Thank you.

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#313485 - 03/10/08 08:54 AM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: MissMina1556]
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Zeena and Karla were once active in the Church of Satan, both having at one time held the position of High Priestess. They no longer have anything to do with the CoS.

Doctor LaVey's birthday is April 11th, 1930.
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#313487 - 03/10/08 09:06 AM My opinion, since you asked. [Re: MissMina1556]
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Dr LaVey left a great legacy that has been useful to many. This article is hardly a "tribute" as the title suggests.

It seems to have taken most of its information from Zeena Schreck, without questioning the authenticity of any of it.

Feel free to research the issue properly yourself and find answers, if it is a matter of great interest to you - much better than taking others' word for it, as this writer has done.

Personally, I've not bothered to check up on most of the facts as it has little bearing on anything current, as I see it. If I find a reason to consider such things important, naturally, I'll start writing letters and making phonecalls, and who knows, maybe even paying visits.

But for now, I prefer to be busy with more personally fruitful endeavours.

Additionally, I think the makers of the website demonstrate their ignorance of Satanism (and spelling, for that matter) with the notice on their front page:

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All contents and images are copywrited © [Organisation name removed] 2007 - 2008, unless otherwise stated. [Organisation name removed] holds no responsability for the subject herein.


It seems they can't spell "responsibility", let alone take it.

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#313573 - 03/10/08 02:34 PM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: spook show]
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I don't think either one of them was ever High Priestess.

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#313576 - 03/10/08 02:44 PM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: Maqlu]
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They weren't.
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#313581 - 03/10/08 02:52 PM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: MissMina1556]
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The link is thankfully removed.
I am sure that every Satanist, at one point, has come across what you found. I bet they all came to the same concusion...that matter has nothing to do with us, as Satanists.
Biographers? Sure.
Satanists? Nada.
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#313594 - 03/10/08 03:46 PM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: Phineas]
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I'm sorry to disagree Magister, but I believe at one time, each of them held that position. While I cannot be 100% sure about Zeena, (although I think I am), I'm pretty sure Karla held the title of co-High Priestess along with Magistra Blanche Barton for a very brief time after Dr. LaVey's death.

Perhaps someone at Administration can set the record straight.
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#313616 - 03/10/08 05:56 PM The difference between the COS and "them" [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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I do not speak for the Church of Satan :

Ok, let's see something :

the Church of Satan has been established by one man. This has marked the century as it was the day where Satanism has been codified.

Codified.

Now, any hags can claim anything on internet, will this change the fact that people don't care ? They can call this "the First", the "Very first", "the super first Church of Satan", this won't change the fact that, once again, Satanism has been codified by one man, and if people go on to join the Church of Satan today, the reason is clear :

they do support the protestation against the worldwide hypocrisy which is, as everyone know, all religions based on pipedreams which target one thing : extinguishing the nature of man.

Nature had no religion. Since 1966 it has one because the men's poison try to change the datas ( religions ), and Satanism, as everyone knows, is the religion of life as it is really. Satanism, the mouth of life.

If Karla, Zeena, and anyone with a name finishing by "A" spend all their life in order to "gain back the throne", well, nothing is changing here : once again, one man has codified Satanism, and a book is about it.

One is the daughter, one was the lady , but at final both never belonged to the Doctor's wishes. The question would be : what the hell would they do with the crown ? Seriously, why do they want it ? >>>

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And certainly not for the nature of men's sake and the hypocrisy of religions.

If people join the COS today, it is for the same reason people were joining it in 1966.

But the difference is here : The COS never say anything like : "People, do not go there !!! We ARE the TRUE ones !" ..

One day, I had a book in hands, and this was my answer. I really didn't try to dig into the Anton LaVey's family problem to see if there was something else, and I am not the only one. Now of course, there are some who do this, but in life, I see 2 groups of people :


Life like a prism viewed from the above... Those at the center, the top where they can look at everything around. And then, those lost into the whole circumference of this circle, having a limited view.

Of course, the second case is always "trying to know what is better for them", but here, they do not realize it : they need to belong to something, to convert themselves. If they had a little bit of sense, they would see just one thing : ( once again )> one day, ONE man has codified Satanism and materialized it into a book and one organization.

There was one man called Newton who removed a veil from nature. Now, anyone called Kewton, Zewton or Stewton can fight endlessly to have his crown, that will belong to their epitaph : "have fought all life in order to gain something they tried to lower".

In France, No Satanists are fighting about it : LaVey is known, Karla is not. Voilà, one still shines, the other is not even a ghost. I guess it's the same in some other countries.


Edited by Assabrah (03/10/08 06:12 PM)
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#313625 - 03/10/08 06:15 PM Re: The difference between the COS and "them" [Re: Assabrah]
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I really enjoy the way you speak about these things. ;\)

Your analogy is superb as well.
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#313687 - 03/10/08 11:35 PM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: spook show]
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This might be helpful.
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#313694 - 03/11/08 12:00 AM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: AurEum]
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Thank you. As I stated, they never were.
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#313698 - 03/11/08 01:05 AM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: Phineas]
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Yes, Karla turned that option down which was an offer out of respect for his daughter by then, High Priestess Blanche Barton . SHE NEVER ACCEPTED THAT OFFER!! She did not want to be a co-High Priestess and share the 'responsibility' of running the COS. Her ego was not capable of dealing with that. Her father was a wise man regarding both daughters.
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Edited by Magister_Lang (03/11/08 01:18 AM)
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#313715 - 03/11/08 06:53 AM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: spook show]
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I admit I was wrong about Karla, however, I still believe Zeena held that office sometime in the 80's. Although, I think her input as far as actually running the CoS was minimal at best.

Either way, I guess it's a moot point now as she has nothing to do with the organization at all.
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#313730 - 03/11/08 09:16 AM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: Magister_Lang]
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#314125 - 03/12/08 04:59 PM Re: Please give me your opinions on this article. [Re: spook show]
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The other day, when I posted a link, that has since been removed, I have learned much by the responses here. I'm glad I posted that link, and I'm glad it was taken down. Another wonderful learning experience for me. I will learn how to recognize fact from fiction. This was my first lesson.

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