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#325772 - 05/04/08 10:56 AM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Grima]
shadowraven213 Offline


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When I did something wrong when I was young I felt a tangible sense of guilt over it, which has never really left me.

I can remember cutting high school for morning and felt so guilty I confessed to the headmaster in the afternoon.

He could sense that I felt bad and told me I didn't need anymore punishment than I already gave myself, and he was right.

Now guilt is no longer an issue, you cant feel guilt if you are seen as a victim what you feel is sympathy for yourself and not revulsion.

Everyone loves a victim and loves to hear how they get treated so bad by this terrible unjust system that no one has any control over and is so messed up.

Its all utter bullshit in the end.

And in this case it does not matter who the victim is, everyone will be the victim at some point or another!
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#325818 - 05/04/08 03:08 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: AurEum]
TrojZyr Offline
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I hear ya. There are many times when I have to keep my lip buttoned because some "poor" criminal or ignoramus dies.

I have noticed that I have a kind of moral certainty, you could almost call it, that I have to be careful about expressing. I am very certain that some actions (some within a particular context, others outside of any context) are absolutely criminal or stupid, and warrant a certain penalty or consequence, absolutely. Even people who'll agree with you that criminals are "bad" or ought to be punished will often get twitchy when you're too bold or "callous" when you express your view on the matter. Even when talking about crime and criminals, people like to maintain an air of civility and niceness. Saying, "Good riddance to him!" with too big a grin strikes a lot of people as creepy, it seems.

Of course, you do have to keep certain things in mind when you're dealing with teens or children, because it's true they are not adults yet--but, even so, I would tend to say that there are behaviors that are flat-out dumb, deplorable and inexcusable, even if they do come from an "innocent" or "inexperienced" youth. Context matters.
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#325899 - 05/05/08 03:03 AM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Risen08]
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Hail you, too! smile

You're right, we do have our own problems and it's good when an outsider comes to put things into perspective.
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#325901 - 05/05/08 03:18 AM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: AurEum]
Auge Offline


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Ok, you take care of your interest, I take care about mine.

It just seems strange to me. If the kid was indeed a criminal shooter, he got his punishment, end of story.
But if the officers actually shot a kid for no real reason, it would definitely be in my interest that they'd be sent to prison. I would not like to have guys like them patrol my neighborhood at night.
Investigations take time, and so does my judgement about it.

But then again, you have to live with them, not me. I'm grateful for that and will not pursue the issue any further. Everything's been said.
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#326025 - 05/05/08 05:32 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Ygraine]
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Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 258
Loc: DC Metro Area
Originally Posted By: Ygraine
Directed to all, regarding all.

I don't disagree with any particular viewpoint. I simply want to remind us all about individualism. As Satanists it is more important that we maintain our own rational opinions than to simply determine our position as being the opposite of the status quo. Certainly we are seeing a PC glut of sympathy for the crim...child. It is natural that a Satanist might find that common viewpoint absurd.

Yet it is equally absurd to blindly assume that all cops are right all the time---simply because the herd's position is that they are wrong all the time. Individuals. Remember?

This thread nicely points out that not all Satanists are the same, share the same views, etc...what I do see as a wonderful demonstration of Satanic unity is that each poster is displaying doubt!

Keep up the good work.

Y~


Thank you for your brilliant insight, Magistra.
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#326040 - 05/05/08 06:30 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: AurEum]
Valek Offline
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Registered: 06/20/06
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Originally Posted By: ealaiontoir
"Off duty, in plain clothes, carrying pistols?" she said. "You were looking for trouble. You were looking for trouble. You were determined you were going to kill somebody."


People who say things like this are just deluding themselves.

Good riddance to that punk.
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#326081 - 05/05/08 11:14 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Valek]
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An officer carrying a pistol off duty is not an issue. But searching, confronting, and then killing someone off duty is. There are protocols to go through when off duty. It does not do a police department justice to have cops do such behavior off duty.

I think any decent citizen should carry legally.

But this is reality and since these officers failed to follow the proper procedures they will face penalties. That is how it works and for good reason.
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#326087 - 05/05/08 11:36 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Discipline]
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Right, my response wasn't regarding the officers being off duty. My response was about the fact that, since those cops were off duty and had pistols on them, automatically they were looking for trouble. That's what my problem was with that statement.
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#326088 - 05/05/08 11:46 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Discipline]
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An officer carrying a pistol off duty is not an issue. But searching, confronting, and then killing someone off duty is.



I myself feel that police officers should have the full right to impose their policing duties on or off the clock when they witness a crime being committed. And also should have the right to act in a manner appropriate, including and not limited to searching, confronting, and killing someone off duty if duly warranted. Just my opinion.
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#326100 - 05/06/08 03:26 AM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Danny Mc.]
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Registered: 03/05/08
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I agree with Nephilim 100 percent. Many of my friends are police officers. They all carry off duty. They are allowed to act if they see something wrong.

I support our police department to the fullest. It's my friends that have to put on a flack jacket and protect me everyday, and they don't think anything of it. It's just their job. Most of them get no respect. And one of my friends has come close to losing his life about 3 times. I see him leave for work every day, and I send my love with him, and I wait for him to pull into his driveway at the end of the day. So does his wife.

Just two months ago he was in a situation in a courtroom. Remember, I live in a small town. They are assholes here, they don't have the security that larger cities have. My police officer friend was there to testify against a child pornographer. The bad guy, as I will call him, went nuts, he ran out of the court room, no one could stop him, but my friend went right after him. He didn't even have his gun drawn. He ran like hell after the bad guy, the bad guy made it to his car, pulled out a sawed off shot gun, turned around and pulled the trigger, right in my friends chest. My friend looked at that gun and said all that went through his head was, "It's a come to Jesus moment for him". The shotgun, DID NOT GO OFF! In a split second my friend was able to draw his gun, and wrestle the asshole to the ground, with still no one from the court room to help him.


Finally, more police arrived to assist him. He was given a couple days off, and his wife took a couple days off. They had to go to therapy together, which is mandated by his police department. He talks about it like it's just another day at work.

It makes me sick. People should have the utmost respect for our police officers. But, sadly, the police don't get the respect they deserve.
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#326109 - 05/06/08 04:37 AM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Queen Shiba]
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Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 427
Loc: Northumberland, England
In the UK off duty police officers are expected to utilise all their powers of arrest etc if they see a crime of any kind being committed.
If they do not do so they would have to expect a disciplinary hearing to explain why they didn't do anything. The same goes for volunteer "special" constables as well.
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#326181 - 05/06/08 12:31 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: Danny Mc.]
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Registered: 09/23/06
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I myself feel that police officers should have the full right to impose their policing duties on or off the clock when they witness a crime being committed. And also should have the right to act in a manner appropriate, including and not limited to searching, confronting, and killing someone off duty if duly warranted. Just my opinion.


BAD idea in My opinion. This means that the off duty cop becomes judge jury and executioner? Vigilantism?

I have the utmost respect for Law Enforcement. I was even going to be a Police Officer Myself.

I do know one thing though. Human animals make mistakes and there should be a certain protocol maintained.

There ARE dirty cops out there and oopsy, maybe......maybe one of those dirty cops commits a crime and someone saw him do it. Could the cop just shoot him and say he was breaking some sort of law? Of course he could!

Perhaps you have an 10-108 call come through on your radio? These calls are highly volatile and as many Officers as can be try to get to the scene as quickly as possible. (This is not advised as you should remain at your post if the distance is too far).

Heads are hot and for good reason, lets say some off duty cop hears this distress signal on his scanner and gets to the scene first, finds the first guy he sees there and shoots him (assuming that he is the one who committed the crime)? What if he shot the wrong guy in his fury and anger. It could happen and this was stressed to Us over and over again while We were in training for active employment.
We can't be vigilantes as much as We would like when We actually DO see something that is a violation of the law. I just worry when I hear talk of being able to do as one sees fit in the eyes of the law on their own without protocol. Sometimes even the best officer can make a poor judgment call.

Now, as far as the teen is concerned....if you point a gun at someone you'd better be prepared to fire it and get fired back at. This isn't the damned wild wild west and it's not a motion picture. Stupidity can be painful and yes, fatal.

I am friends with two officers who were accused of killing an African American man. There were three officers present when this happened. The man fought with officers physically, and resisted arrest and then fled. The Officers in question chased down the man who was apparently drunk enough not to ever need an embalming. The funny thing is this:

Number one police joke ever? "How did the prisoner break his arms and legs?"

A). "He fell".

Well, that is exactly what happened here. While the man was running he fell several times, and got back up, fell down again etc. The Officers picked him up and walked him to the paddy wagon.

When they arrived at the station, the man inside was dead apparently due to head trauma. (He fell).

These three men went through protocol and it WAS HELL FOR THEM for about oh, 3 years. The Mayor of our City was feeling pressure as the NAACP and local churches etc. were stirring the proverbial white cops killed a black man for no reason pot. They were assigned to desk jobs (one quit the force, the one I didn't know) as the pressure was so high.

The F.B.I was even called in to investigate. FINALLY after years My two friends are now back on the streets fighting crime. One saved an infant from the hands of a father who was holding the baby hostage. I think he got a medal for that. Anyway, these two are the good guys. They followed a hellish protocol but for good reason. Did they hate it? YES. Would they ever want to do it again? NO.

Personally I feel that an Officer should have full authority to take someone out should their lives or the lives of others be in danger, but I'm not so sure I'm all hunky dory for a free for all (especially if there are no witnesses around to see if an off duty cop isn't a dirty cop with not so 'lawful' motives.

Corruption abounds everywhere. We simply need a Satanic Police Force. SPD.

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#326183 - 05/06/08 12:45 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: AurEum]
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Registered: 03/30/07
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Police have not recovered the teen's weapon, and the officers are on routine paid administrative leave.

I certainly don't sympathize for the kid, however, I don't for the officer either. Considering that quoted statement makes me a bit suspicious.
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#326186 - 05/06/08 12:56 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: MagdaGraham]
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Registered: 03/30/07
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Ah, well that clarifies a good bit.
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#326191 - 05/06/08 01:25 PM Re: Sometimes I forget how different Satanists are ... [Re: AurEum]
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 327
Loc: Where I have Always Been
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The shot in the back of the head occurred during the foot chase in which the kid was turning around while running to shoot at the police
The kid is running away and firing at the same time. It is highly likely that the kid wouldn't have turned around to shoot, but rather to shoot blindly in the general direction. Considering that this individual is 14 and likely not training nor real experience with firearms.

Which also puts into perspective of the possibility that, if he hadn't have been brought down by that bullet, that someone even within the community could have been hurt by the kids blind shooting.
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