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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344549
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Originally Posted By: Pirate
The issue isn't me as a "victim" the issue is that anything that may cause heated debate is flagged and erased. The only victims are the people who cannot grease those brain sprockets because nothing intellectually stimulating ever gets posted.


I was not aware that there were oppressed masses huddled in the corners of LttD waiting for a champion to fight the good fight for them smile

I guess the representatives from Amnesty International will be here any minute now.


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: ] #344585
08/08/08 09:05 AM
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That's what I could never understand. People giving threats over the Internet. Silliest thing I ever did see.

Geeshhhh!


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344618
08/08/08 01:12 PM
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Here's the deal, glockenspeil.

First, I do not know the content of those deleted posts of yours, so whatever I say here, don't assume that I'm necessarily implying certain things about your posts. I am speaking broadly and in general here. Now then.

Normally, I agree that censorship is bad. But, I've discovered that the Internet can turn into a royal mess without a form of it (moderation) and then nobody gets to have any fun anymore, save for the various trolls and flamers. All of the best boards on the Internet have mods who essentially "censor" people by either deleting their inappropriate or superfluous posts, or banning them when they break the major rules. All of the craziest and most disorganized boards--which usually end up being the most boring ones as well--in contrast, do not have mods, so all is chaos. So, there's one reason for it.

The second reason for it is that we just aren't any old board. We are a board of SATANISTS. People with various agendas are watching. We have to be careful not to give the spin-doctors too much yarn, so to speak, nor give newbies and outsiders any false impressions. So, some discussions are at least not suitable for the General Forums, and some discussions--"CAN I BILD A BOMB AN SMOKE POT?"--are not suitable for anywhere.

The third reason for it is that we are Satanists, and we'd like some peace and quiet for once. If we want to talk to, say, Christians, or devil worshipers, or people who disagree with Satanism, we know where to go. Here, we just want to be able to talk amongst each other and interact with our own without resistance, and without having to discuss the same tired issues that have been brought up in the General Forums a million times before. Satanists still have debates over various issues, mind you, but there are certain kinds of debates we no longer need to have.


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: TrojZyr] #344623
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Originally Posted By: TrojZyr
"CAN I BILD A BOMB AN SMOKE POT?"--are not suitable for anywhere.


I'm slowly getting up off the floor from laughing so hard. Thank you TrojZyr, you have given me a laugh that I so needed today.

Miss Mina


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: TrojZyr] #344626
08/08/08 01:45 PM
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Which is exactly why I post "controversial" comments. People want to discuss bullshit in circles until everybody is satisfied they've met their word or post quota but the moment you give them something with substance to chew and require them to think carefully about the subjects that to the herd are taboo, you get flamed for it. Everyone starts projecting agendas and flaming eachother to no avail and the actual content of the subject is completely disregarded. If you never sort out the sensitive details on delicate subjects then you learn nothing except how to tiptoe around like a politician. I apologize if my words seem scrambled.


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344629
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Originally Posted By: Pirate
Which is exactly why I post "controversial" comments.


Have you read Peter Gilmore's essay "Rebels without cause"?

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People want to discuss bullshit in circles until everybody is satisfied they've met their word or post quota


I don't think anybody's making a thesis-style word count, or cares much about post counts.

Satanists care about quality, not quantity.

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but the moment you give them something with substance to chew and require them to think carefully about the subjects that to the herd are taboo, you get flamed for it.
Everyone starts projecting agendas and flaming eachother to no avail


That's simply not the case. I for one make about half my posts in a forum Downstairs dedicated specifically to topics that are taboo to the mainstream. It's just that what you think is delightfully taboo, we think is rather old-hat.

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and the actual content of the subject is completely disregarded.


Which is often for the better.

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If you never sort out the sensitive details on delicate subjects


They aren't usually sensitive details or delicate subjects. They're usually just old things that have been happily hashed out long previously.

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then you learn nothing


I'm not here to learn. Learning is, actually, very often a pleasant side-effect of my interactions here, as people post interesting information about the place. However, it is just a by-product; I'm here to mix with my fellow Alien Élite. My presence here is chiefly social, to interact with other Satanists about topics of mutual interest.

Notice how underneath the words "Letters to the Devil" at the top of the page, it says "where the elite come to play", not "where the elite come to learn from random members of the public who wander by".

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except how to tiptoe around like a politician.


Also known as Lesser Magic. A useful thing to learn.

Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344632
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Reporbate & Verszou:

Don't make the mistake of thinking that I give half a damn about protecting anyone else in some fantasy "good fight".

I do not post with an agenda to start shit or condone illegal activities or whatever else had on your list. I post what I feel is necessary. The only thought in my mind when I approach posting on a subject on this board is not "How can I misdirect someone to agree with me?" it is "What is the simplest and quickest way to get the truth of the subject across and cut through the bullshit?" If this means sharing "touchy" details about my life or describing the grizzly things in life that people want to turn a blind eye to, then so be it. I am not here to misdirect, miseducate or start little cliques. If reality is not your thing then go live in a ritual chamber. If you can't handle it THEN HIT YOUR IGNORE BUTTON. It's as simple as that.

Ravenhael & Miss Mina:

Yes, it was a poorly veiled threat made out of frustration. They completely missed the point and I was too tired to set the record straight.

I think it is kind of funny though that the moderators have so little confidence in the posting population here that they decided to toast a thread that could have resulted in a big flame war, but also had the potential to actually educate people.


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344634
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Mindless social interaction is a waste of time.


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344635
08/08/08 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pirate
You're lucky we have the internet between us.


GO AWAY.


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344653
08/08/08 03:33 PM
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This isn't your messageboard.

As you can see, coming on here and haphazardly acting controversial and confrontational gets you nowhere.


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Pirate] #344657
08/08/08 03:57 PM
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Hello

I, too, have had posts and threads deleted but I tend to look at my time here in a different sort of light.

To me, the public sections of this board are rather like a lobby where we of blue usernames are invited in for a sort of perpetual cocktail party. Herein, we get to interact with folks who have clearly defined their walk down the left hand path. To me, to assume any rights in directing the course and content of conversation is assuming far too much, especially since there really isn't a gain in this interaction from their perspective.

I mean no disrespect to you as I know it's a tad frustrating to have your words/thoughts deleted but this isn't a public venue and our time here is by permission of the owners. The definition of censorship doesn't really apply in this case.

So, back to cocktails?

Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Fnord] #344659
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Originally Posted By: skullfarmer

So, back to cocktails?


Our guest has been escorted out. wink
Another scotch?

Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Roho_the_Rooster] #344662
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Originally Posted By: Roho_the_Rooster
Originally Posted By: skullfarmer

So, back to cocktails?


Our guest has been escorted out. wink
Another scotch?


You are the epitome of the word 'gentleman', sir. smile

Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Fnord] #344664
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I know that my name is in "blue" but I wouldn't mind another Scotch! Johnny Walker "Blue" would be nice...Happy Friday!


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Re: Censorship - Where To Draw The Line [Re: Descendant] #344668
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