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#333382 - 06/11/08 04:43 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: DickSteele]
TheRatsInTheWall Offline
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Originally Posted By: DickSteele
Laws are written for one reason, usually people have engaged in an act and it didn't turn out well, for them or others.


While this is more or less true, some of those events didn't turn out so well because the intense idiocy of the person or people involved. Why should one idiot's mistakes define the law?
Of course, the above are only a minority of the cases, and many laws are there for intelligent reasons. It's just not always the case. Not all laws should be followed simply because they're passed. Only the intelligent laws and the easily enforced should be followed. Of the rest, some are worth changing, and the rest are worth ignoring.

I've found driving barefoot provides more precise control of both automatic and stickshift cars. It's definitely something people should try.


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#333384 - 06/11/08 04:55 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: LordofDarkness]
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Do you see that the issue here has nothing to do with shoes...or lack of shoes?
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#333386 - 06/11/08 05:08 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: TheRatsInTheWall]
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Originally Posted By: TheRatsInTheWall
Not all laws should be followed simply because they're passed. Only the intelligent laws and the easily enforced should be followed.
Go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

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#333398 - 06/11/08 06:28 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: TheRatsInTheWall]
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Registered: 09/05/07
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Loc: Denmark
Originally Posted By: TheRatsInTheWall
Originally Posted By: DickSteele
Laws are written for one reason, usually people have engaged in an act and it didn't turn out well, for them or others.


While this is more or less true, some of those events didn't turn out so well because the intense idiocy of the person or people involved. Why should one idiot's mistakes define the law?


How exactly are these laws making any serious impact on your life? are there any really unfair laws that were made for such reasons that simply cannot be overturned by getting involved in politics on some level?

I must admit that the only laws that really effect my life in any annoying way is tax laws and certain technological laws and import restrictions. And these are all there because of large groups of people and big organisations having an economic incentive for getting them passed, not because one person made a mistake.

I can understand that a person might feel in a position to consider breaking the law if something central to their life is prohibited by law, like their sexuality, deep seated convictions or the freedom to pursue the profession of their choice. But if things come to a head like that - wouuld it not be better to move yourself to a place where laws are more liberal - 30 years of struggle or 8 hours of flight to get what you want?

What I don't get though is this urge to publicly declare yourself above certain laws. I can understand if for some reason an emergency arises where you walk across the street even though there is a red light because you see that there aren't a car in sigh and the fine for doing so is relatively minor (or you're walking through Paris where things can get pretty chaotic during rush hour). Ok, fine - you still broke the law, but the reasoning behind it sort of makes sense.

What doesn't make sense to me is going on the net trying to convince others that traffic lights are really optional and that traffic law does not apply to certain people who have acheived some "enlightenment" about the system, there is no entitlement at work here. If a cop, which you managed to overlook, stops you there is no "But this is a really stupid law, your honor" defense available.

Unless you're Jack Bauer trying to prevent a terrorist attack or Doctor Doom who has diplomatic immunity the laws still apply to you.
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#333404 - 06/11/08 07:29 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: TheRatsInTheWall]
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Oooooooh. OF COURSE!!!! So THAT'S why all the NASCAR drivers are barefooted!

If a situation should arise in which you are required to quickly move your foot from the accelerator to the brake, and you should happen to stub your toe on the edge of the pedal, you're going to be 50% concerned about stopping, and 50% concerned about the pain in your foot. Personally, I'd rather be 100% focused on maintaining control of the vehicle.

As far as the original post of this thread...

Good is what you like. Evil is what you don't like. Sure, you might not like ALL the laws, but... sitting in a 20 by 20 cell for months on end with 40 other sub-human scumbags who decided that indulging their compulsory inclinations was more important their freedom... you will like EVEN LESS.
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#333407 - 06/11/08 07:44 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: Focalor]
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Originally Posted By: Focalor
Oooooooh. OF COURSE!!!! So THAT'S why all the NASCAR drivers are barefooted!


We don't get a lot of Nascar over here, but from watching Formula 1 and Le Mans drivers I've noticed that they don't seem to wear thick soled army boots when driving. They seem to have some kind of specially made footwear with rather thin soles. So there is probably some merit in the idea of having better control and they've simply worked from that in finding a solution that allows for very precise control while still providing some protection. Again it probably differs from driver to driver, as I understood it for instance Villeneuve had almost no travel in his pedals, one commetator describing them as "binary", while others wanted more room to work with - so it's probably not down to footwear or not entirely smile
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#333409 - 06/11/08 07:51 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: verszou]
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Run your foot toes-first into the edge of a door when you're barefooted. Not too terribly hard, wouldn't want any permanent injury. Now put a bedroom slipper on your other foot and do the same thing. Hurts less. The end.
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#333410 - 06/11/08 08:04 PM Re: Bare the Legality! [Re: Discipline]
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Originally Posted By: Discipline
You take people on their word?

If I did that I would be full of inaccurate and false information.


Those 'people' were my parents. But I came to find out by asking other people that the DMV here in Tennessee has told some people that they aren't supposed to drive a car 'without shoes' and stated that it was a law.
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#333416 - 06/11/08 08:16 PM Re: Bare the Legality! [Re: LordofDarkness]
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I think the Hierarchy here have been more than generous enough in answering all that needs to be said with your post, but I just have to say - why wouldn't you first make sure your information was actually accurate before making this claim?

Sort of reminds me of this Russian proverb I heard once (I paraphrase, and if I remember correctly) about how once you spew out words, you can never swallow them again.

My question is one that doesn't need answered. skull
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#333420 - 06/11/08 08:29 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: Ygraine]
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In all honesty, the serial killer part of my topic was only an example just like the 'driving barefoot' situation. I don't agree nor like realizing there are people like that. What I am trying to get across is when Anton stated about Good and Evil being only what you like and dislike, this could also apply what is right and wrong. People in my area have come by me like their ways of right and wrong is the actual way, kind of like christianity forcing their religion on us. However, the sense of right and wrong is only a personal view. If I don't like something or a situation and believe it is wrong, that doesn't mean it is universally wrong. When I mean universally wrong, I mean like it is not a set natural law like gravity. Only in one's own personal life would these rules of right and wrong be in effect. If everyone's right and wrong are supposed to be governing and effecting other people's lives, then that is why christianity is so annoying, because they believe their view of right and wrong are the ultimate law and should be followed by everyone. Therefore, since the universe is indifferent, that means that anything goes. I agree that laws are set to prevent chaos and to keep peace among us. I follow those laws that do so but there are a select few laws I do not agree with. I never knew that I can have an opportunity to change it until recently. This doesn't mean that I am slow but it does mean that I never paid much attention in school and that is true. My question on the topic was in fact; What could I do if I think the law on such and such is wrong but I must obey the law and conform when it is against by belief? It has already been answered and I give thanks to some of you. I am posting this so that the rest of you wouldn't misunderstand me.
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#333422 - 06/11/08 08:34 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: LordofDarkness]
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Originally Posted By: LordOfDarkness
I agree that laws are set to prevent chaos and to keep peace among us. I follow those laws that do so but there are a select few laws I do not agree with.


Like what?
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#333424 - 06/11/08 08:47 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: Focalor]
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Originally Posted By: Focalor

Good is what you like. Evil is what you don't like. Sure, you might not like ALL the laws, but... sitting in a 20 by 20 cell for months on end with 40 other sub-human scumbags who decided that indulging their compulsory inclinations was more important their freedom... you will like EVEN LESS.


I can agree with that when it comes to more serious laws, however when it came to the 'driving barefoot' law, I highly doubt I'd be in that situation. smile Think how hilarious that would look from a third party view. I'd be like; "Hey guys, I'm getting arrested because I drove my car barefoot."
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#333429 - 06/11/08 09:11 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: Unknown]
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Originally Posted By: Unknown



When in anotherís lair, show him respect or else do not go there.


Fully agree...



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Herd ConformityóThatís obvious from a Satanic stance. Itís all right to conform to a personís wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.


Remember that fools only follow along with the herd. Does it ultimately benefit me if I was 13 years old, with a porn magazine and my christian grandma comes in and lectures me? No. Because if I be passive and grant my grandma's wishes, I would not be satisfying myself and therefore I would have a hard on through Sunday school. Not a good idea. I tried to be passive when my parents told me that I must listen to this freak named God, but did I become passive? No. Because if I follow the holy bible's teachings, I would always have a personal conflict between my desires and the book. My girlfriend is the same way so to this day, I hide my satanic bible ever day so I wouldn't have an argument and still relax and read the literature at a time I choose. Anton also mentioned this; The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when youíve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, Iím sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it. Which means to do whichever works for you, but if you do get into that kind of problem then kiss those cheeks so you can get out. ( I know that statement is towards pride but it could also apply to a situation such as this.) If these situations ever arise, you must balance the pros and cons upon every given situation. You must not use that statement to apply to laws for having a good guy badge and playing the 'I'm a good guy' to the public is also against our belief. That is why I agree when it has been stated that I could vote or take a political action to overturn a law. You can counter a situation by revealing your belief but in a positive way. In my situation with my girlfriend, I just try to avoid the whole discussion of religion altogether and thusly not putting on a 'good guy badge' and also working out a conflict. Read Mr. Gilmore's Satanic Scriptures and you'll see what I mean by 'revealing satanism in a positive way'.
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#333449 - 06/11/08 10:21 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: Focalor]
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In this list, there is a law stating that we cannot give or recieve oral sex which I highly disagree with because of obvious reasons. Click the links of your state and find out what you don't agree with. Those laws that you don't agree with, I am talking about in general.

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/tennessee
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#333462 - 06/11/08 11:31 PM Re: Self Conscience vs. laws [Re: LordofDarkness]
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Everyone walking the streets is required to wear a mask.

New York
A person may not walk around on Sundays with an ice cream cone in his/her pocket.

Makes sense to me. laugh
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