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#342735 - 07/29/08 10:33 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: Enigma777]
gypsy Offline
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Society at large is pathetic. The prospect of being on their own actually scares the shit out of most People.

I absolutely cherish my solitude and am considered by most a recluse because of it.

People come and go (mostly I want them to go) but I am always my best friend. I spend my spare time effortlessly and without interruption from the nonsense of lame ducks that chatter on endlessly about - nothing really. I prefer to avoid the mind games that most blood sucking assholes try to play. My time is MY leisure.
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#342741 - 07/29/08 11:52 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: gypsy]
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I can relate. "Don't you get lonely?" some people ask.

Why would I? I'm the most kick-ass guy I have ever known.

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#342742 - 07/30/08 12:39 AM Re: Betrayal [Re: gypsy]
Sakura Offline



Registered: 07/01/08
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Originally Posted By: gypsy
Society at large is pathetic. The prospect of being on their own actually scares the shit out of most People.


I agree with you on that, people are actually scared shitless of the prospect of being alone. I know countless people who hop from one relationship to another, just because they can't stand the fact they have to be on their own, without someone to share absolutely everything with. They even get together with people they don't even really like or love, just for that. People are mad.
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"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "otherwise you wouldn't have come here."
Alice didn't think that proved it at all: however she went on. "And how do you know that you're mad?"
"To begin with," said the Cat, "a dog's not mad. You grant that?"
"I suppose so," said Alice.
"Well, then, " the Cat went on, "you see a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased. Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad."

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#342796 - 07/30/08 09:35 AM Re: Betrayal [Re: Sakura]
verszou Offline



Registered: 09/05/07
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Loc: Denmark
Originally Posted By: Sakura
They even get together with people they don't even really like or love, just for that.


Sounds like christmas and birthdays in my family smile I remember one year my dad tried to make it sound like they were doing me a favor by inviting me "because nobody should be alone on such a night". Screw christmas - the nights where I need to be with other people are if my significant other leaves me, if I'm really sick and need help or if a gang of outlaw bikers are one the way over to my place to beat me up smile Holidays and so on I'll manage on my own.
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#342801 - 07/30/08 09:52 AM Re: Betrayal [Re: gypsy]
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I have commented before that I have noticed that many people seem to firmly believe that they will cease to exist if they are not noticed by other people. It's as if they have no ability to validate their own existence, so they have to see it relfected back to them by others.

Do not get me wrong. There are some people I enjoy being around. I have just never understood the need to never be alone.
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#342802 - 07/30/08 10:01 AM Re: Betrayal [Re: verszou]
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Registered: 06/23/04
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We have all heard that ridiculous phrase

Quote:
nobody should be alone on


Ask the Satanic question "Why?"

If they have any capacity for thinking [don't bank on it], that question will worry them.
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#342810 - 07/30/08 10:54 AM Re: Betrayal [Re: Charlie R]
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 1212
Loc: USA
My problem with having "friends" is that my loyalty always exceeds theirs, every time. I know I make a great friend, but I've never really had the favor returned, unless you count my wife, my kids, and my pets who are truly the greatest friends I've ever had. Everyone else is just a friendly acquaintance at best. Even family members are easier to love from a distance.

I have no shortage of friendly acquaintances, and I think that’s a good thing. There are a lot of people who like me, and most of them I like as well, but I don’t “hang out” with people, go out with “the guys”, or anything like that. I have no desire to because I realized early on that being around people almost always ruins my evening. I don’t invite people over because as soon as they arrive I am ready for them to leave. When I go out to eat, it’s with my tribe – my wife and kids. When I have a drink, I happily have one alone.

My wife, my kids, my pets, and myself. No trouble, no betrayals.
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#342822 - 07/30/08 12:05 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: gypsy]
Zardex Offline


Registered: 03/12/08
Posts: 310
Originally Posted By: gypsy
Society at large is pathetic. The prospect of being on their own actually scares the shit out of most People.

I absolutely cherish my solitude and am considered by most a recluse because of it.


It is potentially a wise tactic in the light of the philosophical presumption that Success/Expectation=Happiness (Not that I wholeheartedly agree to every application of this presumption, but it makes much sense).

People with something very lasting to contribute for a sense of meaning are rare, especially when the concept of meaning in life is perhaps nothing more than a lie.
However it is probably possible for the more social personalities to construct reasonable expectation within one's social life, even if among the mediocre, that will yield reasonable success in relation to expectations, or perhaps the construction of such expectations can even form one's personality to a more social one when and if this is a desired direction.

Perhaps it is because no concrete meaning really exists, that we have the power to be our own Gods, to lie to ourselves and produce an illusion of meaning we see as suitable to each occasion, environment and emotion.

Perhaps this is also why, if we believe we have found true concrete meaning, we may have enslaved ourselves to servitude of another God then ourselves.
Once we name a meaning outside ourselves, we may dethrone whatever we perceive as the self to servitude of this meaning.

Additionally the whole concept of the self may well be nothing more than an abstract illusion of a pool of wills and powers (biological and memetic) that dictate our different levels of consciousness through the medium of our brains.

Regardless, for the pursuit of happiness, it seems to me that the most effective technique for an intelligent, strong willed and resourceful individual is to "consciously"(whatever that means) strive to remain on the throne of Godhood and enjoy our lives to the best of our ability.
It also seems that this allows for a healthy reinforcement of resourcefulness.

This, coming together with other carnal tools that Anton LaVey once decided to form a religion on and that are still being refined with Magus Peter H. Gilmore as the “conductor of the Satanic Symphony”, is pretty much what I perceive as Satanism.

Forgive me for such a long rant.
Your post inspired me to gather my thoughts and type them down.
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#342861 - 07/30/08 03:20 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: verszou]
Enigma777 Offline


Registered: 02/17/08
Posts: 291
Originally Posted By: verszou
Originally Posted By: Sakura
They even get together with people they don't even really like or love, just for that.


Sounds like christmas and birthdays in my family smile I remember one year my dad tried to make it sound like they were doing me a favor by inviting me "because nobody should be alone on such a night". Screw christmas - the nights where I need to be with other people are if my significant other leaves me, if I'm really sick and need help or if a gang of outlaw bikers are one the way over to my place to beat me up smile Holidays and so on I'll manage on my own.



Don't you love your dad?
Even if he is wrong about you being alone, the fact that he decided to invite you shows that he thinks about you and cares about you. It's not like it is his intention to torture you.

The people I cherish most are me and my family. Despite the fact that I have a big ego and in my opinion, I am the most interesting and superb man I know, I'm still very loyal to the wonderful people that taught me and took care of me all those years.
My parents are De-Facto Satanists and they have done so much for me and taught me so much that I feel I should owe them the loyalty I give them. Them, along with the rest of my family are the only people I can absolutely trust and not fear any betrayal from.

I'm always careful with "friends."

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#342881 - 07/30/08 05:24 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: Enigma777]
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Registered: 07/24/08
Posts: 263
Loc: Inland Empire, Ca
I give my Parents zero credit for what I am today, not out of spite or because I'm some ingrate though. The reason being is that; looking back to my most inmpressionable years they really didn't teach me anything of worth, all of my most meaningful teachings came from people who had no obligation to do so. I spent many years seeking acceptance from my parents who did nothing but treat me like a burden from the day I was born. Once I realized where I belonged in life, it was made clear to me that I owe them nothing. To the few people that took the time with me I have thanked them, maybe in some cases people are ingrates but maybe in some cases we should be judgemental. My parents who thought that I owed them something were repaid by me in the way that they were acknowledged as non-contributers to the person that I am today. I am happy to spend my Holidays alone rather than with people who might be proud of themselves to see my successes or with the few who might still be around that did contribute to this evil.


Edited by Descendant (07/30/08 05:25 PM)
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#342904 - 07/30/08 08:01 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: Charlie R]
Shade Offline
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Registered: 07/08/06
Posts: 6135
Loc: A Trailer Park
Betrayal is the worst. Apologies are only words. The ninth circle of hell is for traitors. skull

What or how much you disclose to people is up to you but at least be cognizant of the risks. As a rule, people confound me. I learned a long time ago (and am routinely reminded) that very few speak my language. That doesn’t bother me but it does mean I’m not eager to share.

Other than that, I would caution you against putting too much weight in other people's opinions about you. I mention this because I've seen people get obsessed with it, like an addiction or compulsion to perform. I’m not talking about the perfectly healthy and reasonable desire for companionship or camaraderie. I’m talking about folks who crave acceptance soooo badly that even simple, seemingly private things (like what book they read or what music they listen to) are held up to the standards and criteria of the group. Or they get weirdly hyper-sensitive or paranoid. What seems to happen is the person's entire self-worth is dictated by others. They credit others for their happiness and they blame others for their unhappiness. Great way to shirk responsibility but besides that I cannot fathom why someone would opt for this. Constantly having one eye on someone else sounds exhausting to me.

Granted, the opposite extreme can be troublesome too. I'm probably insular to a fault and I've been told I am "obtuse" or "insensitive" when I don't pay attention to other people. I'm really not trying to be mean; I am just genuinely unaware of others most of the time. I think the problems this might cause are obvious so suffice it to say, in certain situations, being totally oblivious is not good Lesser Magic. Context is everything.
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#342912 - 07/30/08 09:03 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: Descendant]
Enigma777 Offline


Registered: 02/17/08
Posts: 291
Originally Posted By: Descendant
I give my Parents zero credit for what I am today, not out of spite or because I'm some ingrate though. The reason being is that; looking back to my most inmpressionable years they really didn't teach me anything of worth, all of my most meaningful teachings came from people who had no obligation to do so. I spent many years seeking acceptance from my parents who did nothing but treat me like a burden from the day I was born. Once I realized where I belonged in life, it was made clear to me that I owe them nothing. To the few people that took the time with me I have thanked them, maybe in some cases people are ingrates but maybe in some cases we should be judgemental. My parents who thought that I owed them something were repaid by me in the way that they were acknowledged as non-contributers to the person that I am today. I am happy to spend my Holidays alone rather than with people who might be proud of themselves to see my successes or with the few who might still be around that did contribute to this evil.


If your parents are as awful as you say, then I guess you're right.
Hope your life is better now, and that your kids have a guardian that cares about them more than your's did.
I'm sorry.


Edited by nicesatan777 (07/30/08 09:03 PM)

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#342947 - 07/30/08 11:43 PM Re: Betrayal [Re: Enigma777]
verszou Offline



Registered: 09/05/07
Posts: 1814
Loc: Denmark
Originally Posted By: nicesatan777
Don't you love your dad?
Even if he is wrong about you being alone, the fact that he decided to invite you shows that he thinks about you and cares about you. It's not like it is his intention to torture you.


I think that some of the context did not come across very well in the way I described it. With my family things are often coated in layers of politeness when being said and there are a lot of psychological games going on all the time.

In this case things were framed as if I was being done a huge favor that I did not deserve, whether I wanted it or not.

We seem to have very dissimilar backgrounds, the family I grew up in was very dysfunctional and the new family my dad has now are people with very different standards than me. So in my world there is much less backstabbing and more trust with friends than with family.

So, given that and without the context I can see how it might appear odd to you. It probably wasn't that good an example.
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#342995 - 07/31/08 09:44 AM Re: Betrayal [Re: verszou]
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Registered: 07/24/08
Posts: 263
Loc: Inland Empire, Ca
My life is beautiful, what I wrote about above was a discovery I made that helped me become a better person. Living my life for myself instead of others. My parents aren't "awful" people, they are just people who were not ready to have kids when they did, maybe because they were just kids themselves. It's all dust in the wind now, I wasted too much time trying to win acceptance from people that werent accepting applications. I have a small family now of my own creation that is well taken care of. The positive I did take out of my upbringing is that I was able to use my experiences to better my ability to raise/protect my own family. I credit myself for that though!
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#342997 - 07/31/08 10:11 AM Re: Betrayal [Re: Shade]
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Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 20
Originally Posted By: Shade
I'm probably insular to a fault and I've been told I am "obtuse" or "insensitive" when I don't pay attention to other people. I'm really not trying to be mean; I am just genuinely unaware of others most of the time.


I get called "mean" or anti-social all the time. My wife can walk down the street and a hundred people (men or women) will acknowledge her with a hello or a smile. Meanwhile if I walk down the street, she always mentions that I am always "looking" mean and nobody acknowledges me. One of our neighbors actually said to my wife that I was anti-social because I did not speak to him once when I was walking the dog. The reasoning behind that was I only saw him one time and didn't recognize him. Of course he did not mention to my wife that he didn't greet me either even though he recognized me.

I say the hell with them all. It makes no difference to me. I don't have time for games. My real friends understand that I am not going to walk down a street with a smile on my face trying to get the attention of the people. I don't care if I meet anyone. I am normally just focused on getting something accomplished and don't care to notice the people around me. Someone that values my appearance, time or energy will make the effort to acknowledge me.

Needless to say, my wife hasn't made any potential good relationships when walking around smiling. In fact it is the opposite she has had a bunch of relationships that just give her a lot of pain. But that is her decision to do what she wants. Just leave me out of it, I say.

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