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#343781 - 08/04/08 12:01 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Luigi]
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Who would want to change the world to benefit others? I would rather change the world to benefit me. Otherwise, I don't care.
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#344036 - 08/05/08 12:47 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Luigi]
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Last time I checked, I was a part of society and I pay taxes and am in the vicinity of crime and have to go to places where people are living and moving.

Benefiting society does not equal "saving" society, and doing something for the "greater good" is only stupid if that good is always someone else. Thinking about yourself and thinking about other people are not mutually exclusive.
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#344043 - 08/05/08 01:10 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: HammerOfDoubt]
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When eco-types mimble on about 'over-fishing' or 'over-deforrestaion' or 'over-farming' and all the usual guff they never mention the root cause of it all: Over Population.
If there was a sustainable number of humans on this planet then there woudn't be a problem. The eco-system would be able to cope with our actions.
If there isn't a major natural disaster or bloody big war on the cards then I think it would pay to be a little more circumspect about who we allow to breed. As they say, you need a licence to drive a car but not one to have children.
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#344111 - 08/05/08 06:10 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Luigi]
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Originally Posted By: LuigiBertolucci
Originally Posted By: nicesatan777
It is in their best interest and it helps society a great deal. (...) I think programs like this can have a great number of benefits to society.
It could help with the current population crisis, growing rice prices, poverty, accidental pregnancies, taxes, crime rates, orphanage, etc.


Society doesn't need help. Why bother? Please keep your dearly good intentions to yourself. Your belief in salvation is only a secular version of the Christian faith. Stop preaching.


I'm not preaching, this is actually with MY best interest in mind.
Whether or not it is in the best interest of others not in my family, I don't care.

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#344174 - 08/05/08 10:38 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Sakura]
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Originally Posted By: Sakura
I also wanted to point out this topic which is about mandatory birth control in General. http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=342957#Post342957


That man is remarkable!

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#344272 - 08/06/08 09:17 AM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Enigma777]
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This topic comes up quite often; and, is usually discussed with some gusto. In theory, eugenics sounds great. When a discussion of how to actually make this a reality, I am often mindful of when any kind of coercion is discussed. As one who enjoys his autonomy, I am not comfortable with that. If we are discussing someone with a history of violent crime, I am all right. Yes, the idea of a mentally retarded person having children does not set too well; I would still not be comfortable with involuntary sterilization. Perhaps there is a point when the mental faculties are such that this would seem the prudent thing to do.
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#344339 - 08/06/08 05:25 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Yes, it is one of my favorite fantasies to imagine Eugenics practiced on a grand scale. Genocide as well. The problem is that for such a change to occur there would have to be one policy enforced by one power with one goal in mind. I suppose this is where "Might Is Right" comes into play. Whoever can accrue such a power and actually carry out the dirty deed will vanquish whatever Evil they find themselves at odds with.

I will need to sort out this thought more to better convey the point I am attempting to get across, but I think you get the idea. This is just a rough brainstorm.
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#344406 - 08/07/08 04:56 AM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Pirate]
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Mental masturbation on ideas on how things should be is all fine and well but, seriously, lets consider what we're ever actually going to do about it.

This has been a topic in Satanic circles for a long time now, since the start of it all.

I have yet to see anything proactive.

I have yet to see people with political science degrees lobbying federal aid groups and partnering with groups like planned parenthood.

Not even anything at all really.

If the topic is important to you, if you really feel this, get up and do something. Start a group for it yourselves, think-tank it, work it out and practice this social responsibility that you feel so strongly about. As Satanists there are resources at your disposal that average people do not have. Use them.

My only other contribution to this thread is this:

If you want to stop over-population in developed countries then all you've got to do is stop doing tax subsidies on people with more children. In fact, take away the tax subsidies for people with children and give them to people with no children. This will in effect reserve the issues with the socialist benefits systems in place in various European settled nations and make it a popular and financially "ghetto" act to get surgical contraceptive.

Sterilization isn't necessary, and would be unpopular. Suggest, more reasonably, the various female contraceptives that can last up to 12 years now. That would level out over-population substantially and lower crime rates drastically.

There's always a way to make a final solution look like an open ended deal.

Best of luck on your anti-baby crusades.
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#344415 - 08/07/08 06:31 AM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Insurgent]
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If you truly want a change like this to occur you have to send the orders down from the top, without resistance, rather than tirelessly fight for the change bite by bite from the bottom. I suppose you could say, for lack of better comparison, "Hitler Style"

I don't agree with Hitler's politics nor his flavor of discrimination, but his methods were outstanding. I think that with the technology available to us today we could create death camps for the useless and the stupid that are much more efficient and much cleaner.
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#344432 - 08/07/08 08:42 AM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Pirate]
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I think Stalin tops Hitler on this issue.
Stalin was a lot more efficient and powerful.

He turned a country that was in chaos and shit into a mighty superpower that defeated the fascists and challenged America. All in a pretty short time, despite the fact that war was fought on his land. However, he executed more people than were killed during the Nazi Regime. More people died because of him than Hitler and Mussolini and the Japanese combined.

I like his idea of turning prisoners into slaves. They got a lot done by using those prisoners in the Gulags. crossbones

I believe Stalin was dictator for 30 years. He died of a stroke. The man ruled for a long time, and his death is the best death any dictator could ask for. Better than Hitler's suicide, Napoleon's exile, and Caesar's many stabs.

Whatever Stalin wanted done, this Man of Steel would snap his fingers and they would happen. Bullets would bounce off him! cool

That man is a GOD!

But just to clear up any misunderstandings, I don't support Stalin or Hitler. They are both monsters. I hate the Nazis as well as the Communists(Communists more because they affect me more).

However, it is surprising that another monster named Mao still has such a good reputation. And I can't help but see Mussolini as a sympathetic character smile .


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#344452 - 08/07/08 10:54 AM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Enigma777]
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Ah, I forgot about Stalin. I hear about Hitler so much I forgot Hitler was #2. It must be because Hitler had style. Personally, I could tolerate living in a fascist society, but if forced into communism I would tell those Red Sacks-O-@%$& to just put a bullet in my head.
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#344472 - 08/07/08 12:47 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Pirate]
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You would really tolerate a fascist society?
Shouldn't that depend on who is the leader?
It would also mean all your energy for your country and your people.

After Spielberg, there have been a lot more anti-fascist movies than anti-communist. In fact I can name several films depicting the horrors of Nazism, but only one about Communism(7 Years in Tibet with Brad Pitt).

Can you name any other film?
I think there are even films that support these rats.

I guess it has to do with the horrible ways the Nazis did their stuff, and the way our school teachers teach. However, when it comes to the sheer number of innocent people killed, the Nazis do not stand a chance against the Communists!

In Communism everyone is equal.........in misery that is.


And about that bullet in the head, I wish my country did that. I don't know why we have to go through all that trouble with electric chairs, lethal injection, etc. I think a bullet is much more simple and cheap.


Edited by nicesatan777 (08/07/08 08:44 PM)

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#344531 - 08/07/08 07:28 PM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: Enigma777]
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There's a joke about Stalin that has him seated at a bar in disguise. He asks a drunk, "What do you think about Stalin?"

The drunk motions him closer and leads him out the door. He then leads him through a dark alleyway, then behind a dumpster, where no one can hear him, and says:

"I like him."
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#344651 - 08/08/08 08:20 AM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: HammerOfDoubt]
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I don't quite get it.
Does that mean he doesn't like him?

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#345100 - 08/10/08 10:20 AM Re: Best website for those interested in Eugenics! [Re: John.Doe]
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Registered: 08/08/08
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Originally Posted By: John.Doe
I'm expecting medical research to reach a state where all people can receive reversible sterilization at birth. Once they prove they have the maturity and money to support their children, the process will be reversed.

But then again, I don't expect politics to reach this state any time soon...


I find this concept most interesting. It sounds to me an entirely rational idea that should be encouraged. Would I be correct in assuming that you also experience frustration when thinking about how afraid people are in implementing dramatic change for a better purpose?

Originally Posted By: nicesatan777
You would really tolerate a fascist society?
Shouldn't that depend on who is the leader?
It would also mean all your energy for your country and your people.


Is it not a good thing for a citizen truly proud of their nation to do whatever they can to uphold their civil liberties? I will confess, I would not fight for my country in it's current state; full of immigrants and ingrates who care not for what it is that they have. This cosmopolitan gerimander of all-sorts jostling for postion. I would not bleed for an immigrant who lives here and complains how the people of our society dress.

LXVI


Edited by Templar LXVI (08/10/08 10:32 AM)
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