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#344735 - 08/08/08 02:25 PM A question for downstairs, from upstairs.
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I'm moved towards the idea of performing daily ceremonies, perhaps at dawn and or before sleep.

Under consideration, an opening and closing of days to frame within Satanic superimposition. The invocation to Satan, and a select Enochian key depending upon circumstances.

I appreciate this is a highly personal and subjective matter, and I haven't proved to "deserve", or not deserve an answer.

The question: Is anyone here moved to do the same, and what opinions or experiences are you willing to share about this, if any?

Thank YOU in advance, any comments are highly appreciated.

note: I have read TSB, TSW, TSR, to backbroken dogeared and needing replacement.


Shemhamforash!


Edited by Posthuman (08/08/08 02:53 PM)
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#344740 - 08/08/08 04:07 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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I have a daily ceremony I use to bookend each day, in celebration of my life.

Masturbation.

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#344745 - 08/08/08 04:22 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: TheDegenerate]
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I have a daily ceremony I use to bookend each day, in celebration of my life.

Masturbation.


Does it still count if before masturbating you also screw your wife?
devilchili devilchili devilchili devilchili devilchili

I wouldn't want to ruin the magic of it all.....
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#344746 - 08/08/08 04:25 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: TheDegenerate]
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That goes without saying
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#344748 - 08/08/08 04:29 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Mr_Atrox]
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Oh, sure it does. Extra Satan points if you finish before she wakes up. crossbones

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#344749 - 08/08/08 04:32 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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I'm moved to eat some fried chicken right now. Or should I just order a pizza?

Yes. Pizza sounds good.


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#344751 - 08/08/08 04:37 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Callier]
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That looks Chronic!
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#344752 - 08/08/08 04:38 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Descendant]
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Fried Chicken is good, only if it's Churches!
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#344754 - 08/08/08 04:44 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Descendant]
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Churches chicken?

sick

That has to be the greasiest chicken I ever had. And it's ghetto cheap too.

You can get a 50 piece bucket of greasy ass fried chicken for $5.99.

I prefer Popeye's or anything else over Churches.

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#344756 - 08/08/08 05:24 PM In a nutshell... [Re: Posthuman]
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The very simple answer to your question is no.

When I get up, I have a very short and simple "morning ritual", that involves nothing that would surprise anybody in the bedroom and bathroom, followed by the kitchen and lounge.

I conclude my morning ritual by draining the cup of life, er, cup of tea that I've made to accompany my buttered toast.

In the evenings, chances are the last thing I do before retiring is to catch up online.

There is a mental exercise that I practice nightly immediately before going to sleep, but that is simply not for discussion here, nor is it anything directly related to Satanism.

Definitely a lot more "ritual" than "ceremony", from the morning tea to the nightly mental exercise.

I do not often perform any kind of full-blown thing with candles, sword, all that shebang (yes, I do such things - just not often).

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#344759 - 08/08/08 05:42 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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What the heck, I'll bite and give you a serious answer.

It's not the sort of thing I would do. By performing a "mini-ritual" several times a day, you'd make it feel so commonplace that when you wanted to do a "real" ritual, you might find it contains all the emotional power of brushing your teeth.

A Satanic ritual exists in a world by itself. Things just work differently in there. And it's all powered by your own emotions -- not least of which is the sense of mystery, grandeur, and darkness about it all. The feeling of doing something forbidden, hidden in the secret places of the Earth, adds wonderfully to it.

You can see how this might be lost if you start every day with an invocation and Key before you start on your cornflakes.

Other religions use this sort of time-of-day ritual; the one that springs most readily to mind is the Islamic "Face Mecca & Stick Your Ass In The Air" which is done five times daily. But I'd say that this is necessary only because those religions go against human nature. It's a deliberate piece of self-conditioning to keep themselves bent into the proper shape, lest they actually start to act human again. But if it takes that kind of work for someone to stay Satanic, then something is very wrong.

Just my opinion.

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#344766 - 08/08/08 06:16 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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If you feel the need to do something like this on a daily basis, then do it if it suits your needs.

Of course a daily ceremony doesn't need to include traditional ideas of ritual. I value myself greatly and I treat myself daily with something which I really like such as a great meal (usually that I prepare), inviting someone I like for company, indulging in music, taking a trip, etc. These are all things that I can greatly look forward to and reward myself with.

I also agree with Chess, that if you perform a daily ritual with all or some of the elements of the 13 step ritual outlined in TSB, it would lose it's meaning and significance. This is why I keep my personal ritual supplies secure and covered, as when I view these items, they will be emotionally charged and wont be mundane scenery like other items around your home.

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#344768 - 08/08/08 06:42 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Callier]
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Originally Posted By: Callier
I'm moved to eat some fried chicken right now. Or should I just order a pizza?



You HAD to go with the fried chicken joke!
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#344769 - 08/08/08 06:49 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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Originally Posted By: Posthuman


Under consideration, an opening and closing of days to frame within Satanic superimposition.


Perhaps I miss your point. My first thought when I read the above is that you are asking if anyone here needs to bolster their resolve. I would hope that anyone from "downstairs" would say "no".

Did I miss your point?
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#344774 - 08/08/08 07:45 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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I got that same feeling.

It seems pointless to me to do rituals daily.

Chess already explained how doing so could weaken the effects of grander rituals.

More to the point - it sounds like the original poster is looking for a daily reminder that he or she is a Satanist, much like some religions practice bookend rituals to remind themselves of their gods.

For me, my own ego supplies all of the daily chutzpa I need to go about my day Satanically. Maybe a daily pep-talk would help some people, but I wonder how Satanic those folks really are if they're constantly doubting themselves.

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#344777 - 08/08/08 08:05 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Drimlybunk]
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More to the point - it sounds like the original poster is looking for a daily reminder that he or she is a Satanist, much like some religions practice bookend rituals to remind themselves of their gods.


Bingo! I immediately thought about Rosaries or 'Prayer Closets' or even Confession booths after reading the original question.

I need not perform a Satanic ritual daily to 'stay on top of My game'. When the need comes for Me to cleanse something out of My system I do so.

I too feel that if I were to do something like this daily that when the REAL need came to 'get something done' that the Ritual may not be as powerful.

Likened to a tea kettle, I must build up enough steam to whistle well and make the finest cup.

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#344778 - 08/08/08 08:05 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Drimlybunk]
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I must admit, when I first learned about Satanism, after reading The Satanic Bible and The Satanic Scriptures, I was simply so impressed by the aesthetics of ritual, that I had similar thoughts.

For me, a lot of things changed after actually performing a lengthy ritual or two; and experiencing the profound emotional effect of it, coupled by the positive real world results that followed.

Of course, THAT is what matters the most. So I say, if a daily ritual of some kind is going to affect your life in a positive manner, then why not? I myself don't require that on a day to day basis, and from what I have experienced, not only is ritual a very cleansing experience, but it can also be quite physically exhausting; I was burnt out after my first destruction ritual, just from the raw output of intense emotion. I felt a lot better mentally of course, but I had to go straight to bed!

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#344780 - 08/08/08 08:23 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Dr. LaVey explained in The Devil's Notebook that people who perform the most rituals often lead the most frustrating lives.

If a Satanist has to perform a Satanic ritual daily, as in Greater Magic, then maybe they don't need Satanism. They need a doctor.

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#344781 - 08/08/08 08:29 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Originally Posted By: Phosis
Oh, sure it does. Extra Satan points if you finish before she wakes up. crossbones


Now, now, boys. Let's not be sexist here. I not only bookend my days with masturbation, but sometimes enjoy a few intermissions in the afternoon! And that finishing before they wake up...does that count for blow jobs too?? coopdevil
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#344782 - 08/08/08 08:30 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Callier]
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It would have been funnier if you would have said, "If they need to perform a ritual everyday, they don't need The Doktor, they need a DOCTOR."

Yes. Brilliant. I'm laughing right now, in fact.

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#344784 - 08/08/08 08:30 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Muse]
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I'm not sure...my girlfriend has a tendency to grind her teeth when she sleeps, so I'm not willing to risk it. cool

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#344786 - 08/08/08 08:35 PM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Muse]
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Originally Posted By: Sarah
[quote=Phosis]
I not only bookend my days with masturbation, but sometimes enjoy a few intermissions in the afternoon!


See...you gals have to brag about being able to...do a ritual so many times a day. At my age, not only do you have to skip a ritual for a couple of days; but, it takes a lot longer to set up. Not me...other people my age. grin
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#344837 - 08/09/08 01:08 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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My suggestion is that if you find your self attracted toward a ritual fetish, you not give it Satanic symbolism, for reasons Chess has already discussed.
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#344838 - 08/09/08 01:17 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Jack_Lantern]
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Much thanks, you funny bastards...
obvious truth, fully obvious.

The tea kettle analogy sorted it, quality not quantity.

What was that enochian fried chicken sex key?



Edited by Posthuman (08/09/08 01:25 AM)
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#344839 - 08/09/08 01:22 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Ha, classy, Roho, classy. grin

Let's return to the topic in hand (no pun intended, guys.)

Ritual, to me, is a very emotional activity, and as such I treat my use of it with utmost care and constraint.

I have only ever partaken in, I think, 3 or 4 formalised rituals.

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#344852 - 08/09/08 05:39 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: TheDegenerate]
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You, my man, never cease to amaze me. crossbones

Your ritual that you shared with all, basically, is a simple ritual with much meaning.

What a wonderful way to start and end a day.

I think I will highlight that in my ritual book. Isn't it on page 69?
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#344853 - 08/09/08 05:45 AM Re: In a nutshell... [Re: Linguascelesta]
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Originally Posted By: Linguascelesta

I conclude my morning ritual by draining the cup of life, er, cup of tea


Speaking of tea, I love to DRINK tea! But, I prefer mine in the afternoon or evening. coopdevil

To Callier: My fried chicken is better than any restaraunt! Geeshh!! crossbones
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#344854 - 08/09/08 05:49 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Originally Posted By: Roho_the_Rooster
See...you gals have to brag about being able to...do a ritual so many times a day. At my age, not only do you have to skip a ritual for a couple of days; but, it takes a lot longer to set up. Not me...other people my age. grin


Oh Gosh Roho!!! You make me laugh. But, Kind Sir, I am older than you, and I can still do, er, um, rituals everyday. Um, many times. Why don't we get together and share notes!!?? devilchili
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#344855 - 08/09/08 05:57 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Muse]
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Originally Posted By: Sarah
does that count for blow jobs too?? coopdevil


I think that the above mentioned activity counts for a whole hell of a lot. Men, what do you think?

Anyway, back to the topic, I think it was about rituals. I do rituals everyday. No props, just my mind and my needed outcome. Truly, the magic is all around us and inside of us.

I concentrate on what I need, I do my little ritual, then forget about it an go about my day.

Ususally, the outcome of the ritual does show up sometime during the day. I don't need wands and candles and books or even a ritual room. You just need your brain.

Mina

PS But, you really should try the tea drinking that Linguascelesta is talking about. 3 cups a day, morning, noon and night. You'll feel so much better! coopdevil
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#344898 - 08/09/08 09:21 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Queen Shiba]
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Try this tea three times a day

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/semen.htm

Bon Appetit!


Edited by Posthuman (08/09/08 09:49 AM)
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#344901 - 08/09/08 09:24 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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I personally very rarely perform a full blown Satanic Ritual. The strong desire to acheive a specific end needs to be there. If you enjoy the aesthetic, by all means, do what you would like. But understand the point of Satanic Ritual, that it should serve a purpose.

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#344903 - 08/09/08 09:27 AM Re: A question for downstairs, from upstairs. [Re: Posthuman]
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Yum!
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