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#345971 - 08/13/08 05:12 PM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Muse]
Lust Offline


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Originally Posted By: Muse
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Then what would stop the same person from mistakenly placing their target in the wrong position of the clock? Just because said person can not place himself on the clock is no indication they can place someone else. In fact I would say that this would lessen their chances dramatically. There are pictures of figures, and the clock is broken down in detail for everyone.

I know, not everyone will "get it".


Generally speaking, it is human nature to cast oneself in the most favorable light based on their own perception of how said person idealizes him/herself. A person who is not self-aware of how they actually are will tend to cast themselves as they wish they were. Although, an interesting possibility that just occurred to me is that "person they wish they were" is probably their demonic. In order to make it work, a person must be honest with themselves. This is more difficult to do than to be honest about another person's characteristics.


Gotcha! And a fantastic explanation I might add.

You too, Shade.
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#345973 - 08/13/08 05:17 PM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Lust]
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#346056 - 08/14/08 12:47 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Linguascelesta]
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Originally Posted By: Linguascelesta
As I said recently, I'd put you at eight o'clock. I seem to recall that others in that conversation agreed, but then you mustn't assume that reality is democratic. I'm aware that Warlock Aengima's opinion differed wildly.


Yes, and I thank you again for sharing your observation. Well, Warlock AEnigma largely build his opinion on my own personality assessment, not body type.

I can see where eight o'clock is coming from, but there are key traits I don't possess:
- I'm not social. I enjoy spending most of my time on my own, and I avoid social events.
- I'm not emotional. Family and friends are frequently scared by my rational evaluation of situations they find emotionally stressful.

Originally Posted By: Linguascelesta
What's your favourite salad dressing? grin


Yogurt and sour cream, spiced up with tons of garlic. Does that help? grin

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#346057 - 08/14/08 12:55 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Muse]
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Originally Posted By: Muse
There is so much more to glean from this text. LaVey took many principles of psychology and weaved them into Satanic applicability. If you are genuinely interested, I would recommend reading The Satanic Witch again, but don't obsess so much on identifying your position on the synthesizer clock. You are truly missing a treasure.


Thank you for your kind advise. I actually observe many of the principles in daily life, I just don't see many ways to use them for my own advantage.

However, I'll turn to the book again soon to investigate further on my own, and stop to hijack this thread now wink

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#346101 - 08/14/08 09:02 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Muse]
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You really shouldn't have to pinpoint your clock position to put The Satanic Witch to good use. I feel that the best utilization of deducing a clock position is in identifying where your prey lies on the clock. This is what makes for the best manipulation. However, the Synthesizer Clock is only one, albeit large, aspect of the work. I think that is what Bill M alluded to in an earlier post. There is so much more to glean from this text. LaVey took many principles of psychology and weaved them into Satanic applicability. If you are genuinely interested, I would recommend reading The Satanic Witch again, but don't obsess so much on identifying your position on the synthesizer clock. You are truly missing a treasure.


I agree. What's more, I think it is important to identify your prey's clock position, then manipulate your own position in accordance with theirs. A Satanist should be able to adapt to situations, which, I think, includes the ability to move the hands on your own clock to suit the situation.

I also think it is important to remember that clocks have minute-hands, representative of those minute discretions of one's personality.


Edited by Somnio (08/14/08 09:07 AM)
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#346138 - 08/14/08 11:31 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Shade]
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In general it's been much easier, for me at least, to "clock" someone else.

Usually when I hear "clock" used as a verb it refers to hitting, obviously not your intended meaning. Shade, you always make me giggle. There are some people who I have "clocked" and some people who I would like to clock.
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#346140 - 08/14/08 11:39 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Muse]
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Perhaps it isn't a necessity to pinpoint one's position on the clock, but it would be extremely helpful.

Let's say my mark is a 3 o'clock. I would know that it would be ideal if I could present myself as a 9 o'clock. If I had no idea where I fell on the clock I would have a difficult time understanding what attributes I would need to modify/conceal/accentuate. It would be a shot in the dark, there would be a defined goal, but no road map to reach the finish line.
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#346155 - 08/14/08 01:58 PM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Bill_M]
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I would suspect that those on the left half of the clock would tend to be more prone to suggestion, since it's the right half where you find the analytical types. 4 o'clocks tend to be thinking too much about things to get a new thought in.


Good point. I'll keep that in mind as I practice inductions and see which types seem to go in to trance more easily.
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#346184 - 08/14/08 04:27 PM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Muse]
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The Satanic Witch is eerily accurate. I usually try to look at body type first to see how a person will act. I deal mostly with females when I'm doing this, of course; and it's funny how when you see that long-torsoed woman walking toward you she usually has a "manager" written under her name tag.

I have four kids and we've pretty much typed them all. My youngest two, both girls, are definitely around the twelve o'clock type. Completely overpower the older two, instigate every argument, etc.

My five-year-old is the greatest at this. Her seven-year-old brother, who lingers around four o'clock, was ahead of her to jump in the pool at their swim class. He was apprehensive as it was his first time. What did my daughter do? Smiled deviously and pushed him in...hard. My wife scolded her but I couldn't help but laugh. She fits the personality type to a tee.

That book is great. Just as essential to Satanic living as the Satanic Bible, in my opinion. It's also a great book for those young ones who have Satanists as parents. My wife and I try to get the kids to understand body and personality types and how to manipulate them accordingly. Of course, it's more redundant than anything; children seem to know this stuff already. They are the best little witches and warlocks, aren't they?

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#346286 - 08/15/08 07:14 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: AurEum]
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Originally Posted By: ealaiontoir
Usually when I hear "clock" used as a verb it refers to hitting, obviously not your intended meaning.


Ha! blush grin

I thought something about that sentence sounded off when I typed it but I couldn't put my finger on what it was... When I read your reply I just laughed and shook my head. grin

Now I've got the image of whacking someone in the face with a giant clock stuck in my head. Thanks a lot. grin
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#346289 - 08/15/08 07:27 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Lust]
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I think that is a generalization. What I have noticed is the correlation between insecurity and poor buying choice, which you did allude to. Yes, it is true that many people who are overweight may have low self esteem. I have seen many more "beautiful" people (or thin), with the worst case of inferiority complex.

I knew a fellow, who wasn't a bad looking guy but terribly insecure and juvenile. He was the type of person that had to attach his self worth to items and money. Coincidently he was extremely uneducated.

I have had experiences with dating women, whom at first I thought were very beautiful. Then they start talking, "I'm ugly", "I'm fat". Uggh.

Many people confuse an overblown ego with a healthy one.

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#346338 - 08/15/08 11:05 AM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: DickSteele]
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I definitely agree with your assertion, Warlock, that body type doesn't necessarily give away whether one is insecure or not. I think having at least a remedial understanding of body language is the key.

If someone is insecure, usually their body will give it away because they will unconsciously try to "protect" themselves by crossing their arms over their chest or stomach, head down with little or no eye contact, etc.

However, other insecure types give it away by overcompensating an appearance of confidence, just as a bluffer in a game of poker will act a little too sure about his hand. This can also be likened to the guy who runs his mouth about what a bad ass he is, yet no body has ever seen him actually fight.
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#346382 - 08/15/08 04:13 PM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: DickSteele]
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Originally Posted By: DickSteele
I think that is a generalization.


It is, and I should have been more clear. These are observations that I have made when dealing with clients, and when in public places like grocery stores, or shopping malls. However, it is the similar behavior that I have noticed more-so in overweight people who I have had the pleasure of having sold my product.

I have my own secrets for dealing with thin people. coopdevil
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#346385 - 08/15/08 04:52 PM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: Lust]
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I personally can admire a good salesman. I will buy something if I think they have their shit together, not that I might need or even want the product (usually I do have a need for the product)but that they are good at what they do and I feel that it should be rewarded.

I was looking for a camera one time, I knew exactly what I wanted and knew what I wanted to spend, I had been several places where the salesmen didn't have a clue.(They wouldn't help me).

The final place I went a salesmen approached me and made a sale. Almost $300.00 total, and he didn't even have to work, I was polite and let him do his thing but he had made the sale as soon as he made eye contact. He was good that is for sure, I already knew what I wanted, I just needed someone to sell it to me.

Seems like many salesmen must think that short, tattooed, satanic men don't have money.


Edited by DickSteele (08/15/08 04:53 PM)

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#346387 - 08/15/08 05:20 PM Re: Observations and Reflections [Re: DickSteele]
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"Seems like many salesmen must think that short, tattooed, satanic men don't have money."

I would think most do. It is the Satanist playing the role of Salesman who would have the advantage over the others by virtue of his/her research. I admire good tattoo work, and I like talking to others about their work. I also know that Tattoo is not a cheap art form, and can be used as a reflection of ones taste and spending ability.
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