#35215 - 04/14/04 04:14 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Carkosa]
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In my mind, saying that all goths are idiots is like saying that all African-Americans are inferior. It cannot be proven conclusively. However, it does not make much difference. The Satanist is the highest embodiment of life. Anything else would be explored merely as a means of entertainment and/or perhaps a lesson in herd behavior; as far as the limited context of this discussion is concerned.
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#35217 - 04/14/04 04:20 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Carkosa]
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True...but I'm sure you get the jist of what I'm trying to convey. When many people read the philosophy of Satanism they tend to assume this.
How can you be sure that people who read the Satanic Bible make this assumption? I would not look fondly on such a person. It is the name of the game. Lex Talionis.
From the perspective of a dolt, anyone who might actually be a true to life Master is just as much of a phony as someone without a clue claiming to be Jesus.
This is not an "assumption" in the mind of a Satanist; only in the mind of a dolt. I would not even favor assumption in general, which I would also apply to the idea of being Vampiric.
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#35218 - 04/14/04 04:29 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Carkosa]
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As much as I admire your intent of remaining in the "safe zone", there is unfortunately a catch-22 here that makes this discussion unacceptable. Many Satanists are members of the ToV, including Priests and Magisters, and a discussion of gothic vampires would make little sense to a ToV member. At the same time, for those of us who are not ToV members and think of any Goth or Vampire as being role-playing and pure fiction, all comments in that "vein" are also going to cause a disturbance here. I'm not holding anything against you for trying, but for these reasons, it simply can't be done decently.
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#35220 - 04/14/04 04:58 PM
Re: Vampirism
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Yes, I am aware of that. But I hardly think that many other people would have a clue as to who exactly they are.
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#35222 - 04/14/04 05:50 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Carkosa]
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Your questions should not be asked here. This is a forum for Satanists. Even though there are Satanists that are members of ToV this is still not the place to discuss it. Any questions you have for the Temple should be asked at their forum. There you will find those who are well informed and your questions will be answered in the appropriate territory.
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#35223 - 04/14/04 06:15 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Carkosa]
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To me, Vampirism is a "higher level" of Satanism...
attaining or developing powers of the body and mind such as, superior strength, clairvoyance, telepathy, etc. *is* becoming truly divine.
A "higher level" of Satanism? I would have thought that aesthetically, vampirism would appeal more as a kind of mirror image to Satanism, where "reality" or dayside has an inverse or fantasy/nightside. I guess the idea of an immortal God preying on the weak is not that big a leap of the imagination away from the idea of the Satanic "wolf" scattering confusion amongst the sheep.
In any case, any Satanist worth his salt should be seeking to develop his mind and body anyway, whether attracted to the vampire aesthetic or not. I sincerely doubt if telepathy and clairvoyance are worthwhile aspirations however, as compared to spiritual pipe dreams. Though heightened imagination, concentration, relaxation practices etc would quite likely pave the way for more intuitive and insightful experiences. As long as one's critical faculties are well exercised too. Balance!
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#35224 - 04/14/04 06:57 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Stanton_Vetalas]
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Ya know, there are actual vampires (not scenesters or RPGers) outside of the ToV.
You know that right? Psi/Psy vampires, sang vampires, They dont run into your house suck your neck and run away at 2am, but there are vampires outside of the ToV and outside of fashion scenes.
No, they are not Vampires, they are disturbed individuals who cannot tell the difference between right from wrong, or fiction from fact.
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#35225 - 04/14/04 07:01 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Carkosa]
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Now, who was it that said..... "whatever it is, I'm against it." 
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#35229 - 04/14/04 08:11 PM
Re: Vampirism
[Re: Stanton_Vetalas]
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Yeah ok... I'm not gonna bother getting into this on here. Like I said in a PM earlier today, I don't care much to make people think the same as me.
So whatever. I'll go back to the music forum now.
Oh dear. 
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