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#35435 - 04/14/04 10:45 PM Satanic Police Officers
Daguerre Offline


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As a Satanist, I truly value order and justice and have always had a great appreciation of the police for keeping the masses in their places. I've recently decided to become a police officer. I know many Satanists are involved in the police and military and am curious about any experiences you may have had, lessons you've had to learn, or any other tidbits of info on your experiences in law enforcement. Have you always kept your beliefs secret? How does being a Satanist effect your job? Do you feel that the structure and regimentation affect you as an individual?
Thanks for your feedback.
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#35436 - 04/15/04 12:31 AM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
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For my part, I am not at this time a law enforcement officer, though that might soon change. I am taking criminal justice/police studies courses in college right now, as well as a few other related skills (foreign languages in particular).

Whether I'm working for a local agency or go federal, I don't plan to make my religious thoughts known unless I find it is simply impossible for one reason or another to conceal them. I don't really foresee that being the case, but I've considered what I would do if forced into that situation.

I come from a family with a long law enforcement tradition, and this is the most Satanic piece of LE advice I can give: buy kevlar.
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#35437 - 04/15/04 12:31 AM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
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As a Satanist, I truly value order and justice and have always had a great appreciation of the police for keeping the masses in their places. I've recently decided to become a police officer.




That's a wonderful career path. Congratulations.

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I know many Satanists are involved in the police and military and am curious about any experiences you may have had, lessons you've had to learn, or any other tidbits of info on your experiences in law enforcement.




Yes. Don't tell anyone anything they do not need to know.

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Have you always kept your beliefs secret?




When I was trying for both the police and the US Marine Corps, I kept my mouth shut about being a Satanist. It was none of their business.

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How does being a Satanist effect your job?




I unfortunatley didn't get far enough to answer that.

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Do you feel that the structure and regimentation affect you as an individual?




I don't see how as long as you hold on to your individualism and don't get sucked in by herd mentality. For a Satanist, that is not difficult at all.

I wish you luck on your endevour.
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#35438 - 04/15/04 01:54 AM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
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The best advice has already been said. Keep quiet about it.

You are about to enter a career path full of right-wing Christian whackjobs that are legally allowed to carry weapons and kill people.

Same thing with the military. There are quite a few that have had jobs in the armed services, and the Devils Name. It's best to keep it to yourself. Besides, going with the church-state seperation precedent, your religous preferences should not color your dispensation of law and order. Satanist or no.
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#35439 - 04/15/04 04:02 AM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
Josephine007 Offline
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...curious about any experiences you may have had, lessons you've had to learn, or any other tidbits of info on your experiences in law enforcement.

You'll have to buy the book when it comes out

Have you always kept your beliefs secret?

Yes. On the sound advice of other Satanists who happen to be in the field. As well as some Satanists whe were defense attornies when discussing strategy (in theory)...all's fair in love and war and they would use it in a heart beat.

How does being a Satanist effect your job?

I don't feel that it does to any real extent. I probably get annoyed more easily by idiots but that is not exclusive to the Satanist.

Do you feel that the structure and regimentation affect you as an individual?

Not at all. It has it's use as does everything.
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#35440 - 04/15/04 05:08 AM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
Ringu Offline


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As a Satanist, I truly value order and justice




The current law means order but not always justice in all cases - so im not sure but may be sometimes you begin to doubt your work
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#35441 - 04/15/04 07:56 PM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
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As the others said, No one needs to know that you are a Satanist. I at one time was getting into the Private Investigator scene, and know one knew what I practiced. I look and dress like the typical guy next door .Congradulations, I wish you well in your career.
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#35442 - 04/16/04 03:43 AM A VERY good point... [Re: Ringu]
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The current law means order but not always justice in all cases ...

You know you're not a rookie anymore when you refer to it as the LEGAL system and not the 'justice' system.

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#35443 - 04/16/04 04:53 AM Re: A VERY good point... [Re: Josephine007]
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I thought about the idea of the "Satanic Police Officers" and know i also think that Satanists doesnt really fit into such jobs that take care of the current order/law. In my sight there are a few logical explentations for that. For example the Alien Elite works completly different, im sure they dont share the idea about misunderstood humanity or misunderstood social systems. So just theoreticly if the Alien Elite would have ever the chance to become to a current system (and i bet they will get this chance) - then most of the "weak" people that love this current system would not be able to stay alive or their live would be much more heavier then they would imagine. In fact its obviously that our current sociaty has no future. Im not sure how it is in the USA - but im sure in germany its much more worst. Politicans may think they can corrupt until the end and yes they can but a collapse will follow - definitly. But thats now more or less off-topic. What i wanted to say is just that a Satanist cannot really let his/her ideas to be involved with a kind of Police Officer job. With such job you have to help anyone doesnt matter who it is and if there is a stupid rule in the law - you have to take care of it doesnt matter what your mind says. Im not sure if i would be really happy with such a job. Hope my idea comes clear - if not then just ask.
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#35444 - 04/16/04 05:52 PM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: TheRaven]
Daguerre Offline


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Loc: NYC
Thanks for the info and encouragement. I definitely agree with what was said about the difference between the "legal" and the "justice" system. I guess it's just a long learning process and I'll have to accept that under current laws idiots and child abusers are often protected while victims are punished.
Have any of you who have been in law enforcement found that you have to be emotionally un-attached and think of it just as a job, or do you feel more emotionally and intellectually involved than that? For example, as a Satanist, I would love nothing more than to see certain people punished on the spot for the sick things they do, but as a cop you have to follow lots of procedures and give suspects the "humane" treatment that many of them don't deserve. Has it become a 9 to 5 job in a mental sense for you, or does it become a larger part of your life than just a source of income?

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#35445 - 04/16/04 08:04 PM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
lucifer_dracul Offline


Registered: 04/04/04
Posts: 14
Loc: Ohio
I have been an officer for just a few months now, and I have learned one, very important thing, we are not here to punish! I know it sounds strange but when you go through the academy you will discover that punishing people will actually end up in more pain than good. Trust me, it is not your job as a police officer to punish criminals, that is the job of the courts and the courts in my city seem to do a good job of it.
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#35446 - 04/17/04 03:54 AM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: lucifer_dracul]
Josephine007 Offline
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it is not your job as a police officer to punish criminals, that is the job of the courts...

Exactly. Any person who gets into law enforcement in order to 'punish' others shouldn't be in it in the first place. There are far too many macho cowboy types that take it upon themselves to thump heads and those are the ones who give the rest of us a bad name. There is a heck of alot more to being an officer of the law then 'catching' bad guys. Many many many times it IS to 'protect' and 'serve'.

I had a banquet thrown for me because I saved a man's life. I have had little kids come up to me and thank me profusely for helping them when they were hurt. Working accidents where people have been injured and are hurt and scared, assaults, etc.

It's not that I am some bleeding heart liberal...those who know me would die laughing at the very suggection, but there is a very 'human' side to the job and being able to really talk to people and work with them and not be fogged by some Hollywood mentality of 'punish' the bad guy is what it is about.

There may be a few that come in that way but they do NOT last long when they realize that is not what it is all about. They are usually VERY disappointed and end up bored or frustrated with the job.
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#35447 - 04/17/04 04:32 AM A change in dreams [Re: Daguerre]
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I personally was planning on, and was ready to, go into the police academy this last January. The issue is that a little over a year and a half ago I had a slip and fall at my work place and have since slipped 3 disks in my back and deranged both of my knees. I've had my doctors tell me that I should be able to recover enough to apply to go into the academy, but I've had officer friends tell me that I won't pass based on medical at this point. I was wondering if any of you, in law enforcement or not, might have a good idea as to what someone like myself could do if they cannot physically pass to become an officer. I looked into becoming an EMT and Paramedic but to be honest that's just a glorified taxi driver and I lost interest after 2 months or so, but not until I had accquired a list of useful skills. I've found alot of good advice on this board which I guess is why I'm on here asking. I want to help people in my life and to really aid all of those around me, if I can't figure out anything to do I'm going to try my hand at medical school.

One thing that I have to say after reading this post though. I've learned that the only 2 times it's okay to tell someone your beliefs are when either 1. you know that they are of the same beliefs and wish to somehow discuss them or 2. you know that you will not be judged by the person and it's someone who will listen to what you have to say as opposed to telling you what you believe based on what they have heard about it. I've had alot of wonderful and thought provoking conversations with people who have asked me what I believe after my Baphomet has fallen out from under my shirt or they see the latest book I'm reading and ask, or a mutual friend who knows has told them. When you don't want to let someone know is when they are looking for anything to use against you or to find fault in you with.

Because of my disability I had to see a pain specialist, I told him when he was getting me pain killers that it goes against my religeous beliefs to take something that clouds my thoughts and that I need him to keep that in mind when he chooses what to give me. I wouldn't tell him what my beliefs are until a few weeks later when I was put under for surgery I wouldn't take off my Baphomet simply because it does not leave my body. After that his whole attitude towards me changed. And after some slanderous comments towards me my lawyer wants to discuss legal action towards him based on discrimination. I didn't push who or what I am upon him, I told him what he needed to know and once he found out more he let his imagination go wild. Only doctor I've ever met who will tell you you're a drug addict when he tell him over and over "I don't want painkillers, I don't take them anymore" because you are manipulating him into what you want, or at least trying. This is why I hate people, it's also why I am worried about getting into medicine. I don't want to have to become someone who is always looking at whoever sits in front of me trying to prove that they are out to abuse what I can provide. Back to the original point though, if anyone has an idea for a career path I could look into please let me know, and learn from me, if they can use it against you they will.

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#35448 - 04/17/04 08:11 AM Re: A change in dreams
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I wouldn't tell him what my beliefs are until a few weeks later when I was put under for surgery I wouldn't take off my Baphomet simply because it does not leave my body. After that his whole attitude towards me changed.

That was a good example of conterproductive pride, my friend!
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#35449 - 04/17/04 09:43 AM Re: A change in dreams [Re: Old_Pig]
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That was a good example of conterproductive pride, my friend!




Absolutely! It's just a piece of friggin' jewelry! Some "Satanists" need to stop being so god damn silly!
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#35450 - 04/17/04 05:43 PM Re: A change in dreams
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Just think, removing a piece of metal on a chain could have saved you a whole lot of trouble. Naw, but that'd be too easy. and not glorious enough.
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#35451 - 04/17/04 07:01 PM Re: A change in dreams
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#35452 - 04/17/04 08:04 PM Re: A change in dreams
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Why are you asking such silly questions. I understand that you are injuryed but you can still give it your best. If they reject you based on your physical condition then at least you gave it a shot (man, I sound like a parent).

There are plenty of thing you can do and achieve even in your state. Think of what you would enjoy and go for it.

I looked into becoming an EMT and Paramedic but to be honest that's just a glorified taxi driver

There are not many taxi drivers out there that will arrive at the scence, stabilize a person and then take the wounded man to the hospital. I don't see any people paying a fee for a paramedic.

"Excues me, EMT guy. I was wondering how much will the fare be to the hostipal? If it is too much I will just walk."

I want to help people in my life and to really aid all of those around me, if I can't figure out anything to do I'm going to try my hand at medical school.

Then go to medical school.

I told him when he was getting me pain killers that it goes against my religeous beliefs to take something that clouds my thoughts and that I need him to keep that in mind when he chooses what to give me.

Clouds your mind? What durgs are they giving you, morphine?
I'll take perscription drugs from a doctor. It's not like he was trying to sell you heroin.

Why are you giving the doctor such a hard time? From what I have read he did not ask you what your beliefs were. It sounded like you just flat out told him. All he is doing is his job. If you don't want medical attention then don't go. Stop impeding his work, which by the way is beneficial to you.

if anyone has an idea for a career path I could look into please let me know, and learn from me, if they can use it against you they will.

A career path for you would be at the mall. You seem very immature.

I have yet to learn anything from you. All you have done is complain.


Edited by Discipline (04/18/04 04:01 PM)
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#35453 - 04/18/04 08:53 AM Re: A change in dreams
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You know, you've really got a persecution complex going on. It's quite unbecoming.

A Satanist would ask himself "Is keeping this necklace on really worth it?" and, decide against it -- because it's not.

You, on the other hand, told your doctor that you're keeping your necklace on "because [you think you're] a Satanist!" but really it's because you crave the attention of a persecuted individual. If you didn't want to be persecuted for your "beliefs", why did you do it? Really, why? What did it get you besides a headache?

It didn't get you anything and it's going to end up getting you not much more.

My career advice to you would be to drop in an application at Hot Topic because almost everybody I know who works there either has a serious persecution complex or tries to convince everybody that they've got some kind of mental disorder. The managers and assistant managers don't -- but then again, if you're going to be telling people what to do, you shouldn't.
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#35454 - 04/18/04 03:25 PM HATE
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If you do indeed hate people, which I can't say as I can blame you, please do not enter the medical or legal field as you will only be a detriment to society in either role. Unless of course that is what you are after?
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#35455 - 04/19/04 12:24 AM Re: Satanic Police Officers [Re: Daguerre]
Scratch Offline


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Satanism shouldn't affect your job. If anything, it only affects your ignorant co-workers.

It's a philosophical part of you, not a physical impairment. If you can keep it to yourself as needed, it can even be a useful tool in problem-solving for its often more logical approach to evaluating everyday situacions.

It might be best kept to yourself, though, simply because of some higher authority's biased opinions and how their decisions may affect you.

Good luck to you in your chosen field.
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#35456 - 04/21/04 02:39 PM Re: A change in dreams
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I looked into becoming an EMT and Paramedic but to be honest that's just a glorified taxi driver and I lost interest after 2 months or so, but not until I had accquired a list of useful skills.



With this statement, i can tell that you are not very intelligent. Or that you would stupidly prefer to die in the middle of a car accident instead ofe letting a "glorified taxi driver" attend you, which is actually one more proof of your limited reasoning.
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I want to help people in my life and to really aid all of those around me, if I can't figure out anything to do I'm going to try my hand at medical school.



... and yet you call a paramedic a "glorified taxi driver"?
Talking about huge contradictions.
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I wouldn't tell him what my beliefs are until a few weeks later when I was put under for surgery I wouldn't take off my Baphomet simply because it does not leave my body. After that his whole attitude towards me changed.



you know... mine would have changed, too... if I were your doctor, i would have thought "what kind of idiot obstacles the work of a doctor who wants to benefit his patient's health?"
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This is why I hate people, it's also why I am worried about getting into medicine. I don't want to have to become someone who is always looking at whoever sits in front of me trying to prove that they are out to abuse what I can provide.



If you are that weak, you should not consider yourself a satanist.
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Back to the original point though



Too late. You've already depicted yourself as a whiny brat.
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if anyone has an idea for a career path I could look into please let me know



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