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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Magister Frost] #363265
12/01/08 06:29 PM
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Since you are asking for opinions, I'm going to give one to you (otherwise I'd keep my mouth shut about it).

I have appreciated your services and used them to my advantage for years now. I have also linked back to your websites and purchased materials from your shops. Thank you for offering these services.

But I think that if you're going to charge for anything that takes time, effort and a lot of space then it would be The Undercroft. I don't use it, because I tend to dislike user-profile sites and honestly wish you would have never implimented this feature, but it seems to me that you may be adding stuff like music uploading and server intensive stuff way beyond the capabilities of this forum.

On LTTD, we tend to not do that. We tend to throw a picture up and a post. This is a PHP forum, a relatively simple thing to set up and impliment with basic knowledge of the software and with proper limitations there doesn't have to be a charge. The Undercroft? We'd mostly be hard-pressed to match your capabilities in that regard.

I say this because I don't think you really want to charge money for LTTD, because you never have and have stated time and time again that you never would. I think that you're asking because you still are really shy about doing it, maybe. You don't have to do it.

The Undercroft seems to me to be a lot more intensive, a hell of a lot more. Personally, I think the main page of Satannet should go a different direction and steer clear of the profile site idea that gives so many people the opportunity to provide poor examples of self-expression and laziness. In my opinion the last thing Satanism needs to be involved with is any variation of the Facebook/MySpace culture that has consumed the internet by storm and so, personally, I have opted out of all that.

But, you've decided it to be something you want to do so more power to you. Though somewhat to my own dismay and I fathom that I'm not alone on that.

So in short, my suggestion is to charge for The Undercroft. "Premium user" features on sites like that tend to provide hosting costs on much larger sites than the Undercroft and I myself have moderated in communities like Undercroft, back in the day, that are twice the size of this place and the premium functions tended to wrap everything up nicely.


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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Magister Frost] #363294
12/01/08 10:15 PM
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Do it. Stratification, ya know! wink


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Re: Period. [Re: Unknown] #363300
12/01/08 10:42 PM
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I knew something was up. Mmmm cookies.

Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Apprenticius] #363306
12/01/08 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: Apprenticius
Dont sell yourself short by asking so little.



Exactly! I wondered the same thing myself.
I know damn well I couldn't have set up, much less kept up, even a miniscule (?)a site as well as you have this one Magister. In the time I've been a member here (even before joining CoS, I have been amazed at the intricacies of LttD.

HAIL VENTRUE!!!

In response to Warlock Apprenticius' suggested alteration of Mgister Ventrue's poll, I would say use of this board is worth, at least, $66 per year!


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Re: Period. [Re: Unknown] #363311
12/01/08 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Unknown
In my opinion Magistra Nadramia's vote should be all that is needed. She IS the official on-line representative of the Church of Satan as well as High Priestess. Consider the source of the vote!


I couldn't agree with you more. In reading the thread, there were two people I was looking for. HP Nadramia was one of them, Magister Nemo was the other. IF I had not already voted a resounding YES, Magistra Nadramia's endorsement would have prompted the same vote!


"Churches may close and old shepherds may die, but the herd will always be the herd."
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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: DCLXVI] #363342
12/02/08 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: DCLXVI
In response to Warlock Apprenticius' suggested alteration of Mgister Ventrue's poll, I would say use of this board is worth, at least, $66 per year!


Are you nuts? No forums, Satanic or not, is worth $66 bucks a year. Unless, of course, the good Magister starts adding porn. I ain't talking those modeling pics for the emporium either. I am talking about hardcore porn.

Sadly, even then it wouldn't be worth $66 bucks a year, and I probably just take the free tour.

I can picture you as a child "Teacher, teacher, you forgot to give us homework." Probably got beat up a lot too, eh? grin

Seriously though, no forum is worth $66 dollars and I don't care if God himself made it and Jesus was a moderator for it.


EDIT: Apparently I need to underline the point where I say seriously though, indicating that the above before that line, was kidding. The grin was lost on everyone.


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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Ebenezer Scrooge] #363344
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$66 a year is eighteen cents a day.

If that's all it takes to get rid of you, then it's money well spent.

Go surf porn.

Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Ebenezer Scrooge] #363345
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$66 a year is only $5.50 a month. LttD is well worth that.

Did somebody mention stratification? wink


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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: AurEum] #363347
12/02/08 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: ealaiontoir
$66 a year is only $5.50 a month. LttD is well worth that.



That's cheaper than a magazine subscription.

Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Ebenezer Scrooge] #363350
12/02/08 03:50 AM
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Consider this.

Here in LttD you have the opportunity to interact with the Alien Elite and some of the most intelligent people in the world. Am I just bullshitting when I say this? Consider the Church of Satan's official website and look at all of the projects there. I'd also like to mention that the members of the Hierarchy who interact on THIS message board are men AND woman with many years of experience who share their wisdom. How much is that worth to you? Money can ALWAYS be made back but wisdom is something you can keep-forever. It is an investment. Do you invest in the internet, cable, or some other form of entertainment? Then why should this be any different?


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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Ebenezer Scrooge] #363354
12/02/08 04:01 AM
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This post alone is pretty much sealing the deal on the subscriptions! As Daark said .. go surf some porn!

Granted, I will not be charging $66 per year, in fact as it sits now it will be $36.66 a year (or about $3 per month). Now I am also going to throw in full use of the Undercroft along with full use of these forums, call it a bundle deal if you will. The Undercroft should be open again within the next week or so. Along with the undercroft, I will be adding a slew of new features to the forum and one of them is the arcade coming back (should be ready by tomorrow).

Regardless of the price, I feel that these two "applications" are well worth the $3 a month. The cost of my time alone making sure everything stays functional and adding new features constantly is way more than $3 a month per person, but that is not the point. The value you find in these services is going to vary from person to person ... but you will only find the same amount of value that you put into it. As with anything in life You get out of it what you put into it.


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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Magister Frost] #363357
12/02/08 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: Magister_Ventrue
This post alone is pretty much sealing the deal on the subscriptions! As Daark said .. go surf some porn!



With all due respect, I was kidding about the porn. I really do need to start adding LOL to my post, don't I? Smiles just are not enough. tired


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Long overdue. [Re: Magister Frost] #363362
12/02/08 04:33 AM
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There are two kinds of people in the world.

There are the people who are willing to pay for what they get, and there are the people who live in a fantasy world in which they think "the best things in life are free."

The worst things in life are free such as death, disease, pain, and annoying human scum.

This board is "Where the elite come to play."

Now all of those parasites who proclaim their God-like superiority but cannot pay their monthly rent will run like the wind away from the subscriber-only portions of this marvelous message board.

To them I say GOOD RIDDANCE!

To Magister Ventrue I say, "Three cheers to you, sir!"
devilchili devilchili devilchili

At last real-world stratification reaches the Devil's playing board, Letters to the Devil.

This was long overdue.

Well done!


My vote. [Re: DCLXVI] #363367
12/02/08 04:39 AM
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Re: Subscriptions ??? [Re: Unknown] #363368
12/02/08 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: Unknown
Here in LttD you have the opportunity to interact with the Alien Elite and some of the most intelligent people in the world.


It depends. Some people I have run into fit that description, others, not so much. Guess it is hit or miss.


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I'd also like to mention that the members of the Hierarchy who interact on THIS message board are men AND woman with many years of experience who share their wisdom. How much is that worth to you?


Depends on who we are talking about. I value some peoples wisdom higher then others.

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Money can ALWAYS be made back but wisdom is something you can keep-forever. It is an investment. Do you invest in the internet, cable, or some other form of entertainment? Then why should this be any different?


I'd rather invest in a book. I don't know, maybe "Best of Letters to the Devil" grin (Note the grin? That means this line is in jest. Although a book with the essays from this site would be sweet!)

I never said LTTD wasn't worth money, I do believe my previous post here said I wouldn't mind it, as I was on the fence about it.

*looks at last page*

Originally Posted By: Cyprian Latakia
As it stands, I voted no, but not because I am really opposed to it, just not sure at the moment.


Oh look, I DID say that.


Anyways, $66 dollars for anything short of material goods makes me cringe.

I do support the Magisters endeavors, and give him credit for his hard work and making it run all these years. I'm not trying to take away from that.

$36.66 for a year is a better value then X-box live though, I'll give him that.





"If they'd rather die, they had better do it and decrease the surplus population."-Ebenezer Scrooge

I don't mean to sound bitter,cold,or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.-Bill Hicks
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