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#364634 - 12/09/08 03:44 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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This is all hypothetical, I take it. whistle
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#364635 - 12/09/08 03:54 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Shade]
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Originally Posted By: Shade
Originally Posted By: verszou
Then wonder why I hadn't sold it to get some decent food.


Hey now, I like oatmeal. grin


Nothing wrong with that, according to commercials it's the secret weapon of Michael Laudrup (legendary Danish soccer player who played with Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus).

Originally Posted By: Shade
On the Richter scale of tough breaks that scenario ranks pretty low for me. Its not like they accidentally shot my dog or burned my house down.


It's funny, now that you mentioned it - we never heard what was on that laptop and lost when the wine was spilled. Were there family pictures, a book script, a priceless porn collection, mails from loved ones that would be sorely missed?
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#364638 - 12/09/08 04:00 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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Try using a bit of tact in your posts next time. Talk about overblown knee-jerk reactions, sheesh.

Or did he rub a soft spot? Are YOU the penniless, unemployed slob that this post was referring too?

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#364640 - 12/09/08 04:06 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Registered: 10/24/08
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Loc: Cthulhu's Bowels,Kentucky
Yeah actually I'm headed that way. Unfortunately here in Kentucky, the only places to work are factories. Guess who gets all the products for these factories. GM! Magical isn't it. So thanks to all responsible a couple thousand people are being put out of job all over the southern region of this state.

I couldn't help but rant. I understand having an ego, but treating everyone that goes through a rough time like they are worthless is inexcusable.
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#364642 - 12/09/08 04:17 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
Ebenezer Scrooge Offline


Registered: 11/04/08
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Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: all hallows
i would like opinions on this situation. say you and a best friend are hanging out, and your friend accidentally spills wine on your thousand some dollar lap-top. it is ruined and does not work; your friend had put forth all the money they had ($100) for it to be sent out for possible repairs. you are completely broke, strapped for cash, don't have a job, and are eating oatmeal every day. your friend is absolutely broke and in college.

do you:

a) get upset and angry, then demand that the money be paid back?

b) get upset and angry, and realize there is nothing that can be done?

c) other?


First, it shouldn't matter what we would do in this situation, because everyone is different. If it was someone I liked enough to call Friend, and not just an acquaintance or other, then I most likely wouldn't bother having them pay me for the mess up, as it would be a waste of energy and just cause unneeded misery having to wait until they get money and ask all the time. By the time you get the money and get it fixed, you could have just saved up enough to pick up a cheap desktop to hold you over until you can repair it.

Thats just me though. Other then immediate family, I only have one person that I consider close enough to me to not want to charge them over such a mishap.

Your broke friend is in College right? Well, he may be broke, but have him take out a student loan and buy you a new one or repair the other one. Quite simple I would say.

Other then that, do as you wish, asking us what we would do is rather irrelevant, cause you are not us.

Good Luck
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#364643 - 12/09/08 04:18 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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I agree, but I think his post was taken slightly out of context.

I too have been through rough times. The difference between a Satanist and someone else, is that a Satanist finds a way to cope, and to get back on the top of the heap. The other guy is satisfied with his position in the gutter.

I can't question the validity of your statement, where factories are the only places to work, as I have never been to Kentucky. But it seems rather unlikely to me that factory work is your only option. Once again, I have been in the same boat (sort of.) where I looked around and said, "there is nothing I am qualified to do!". But, jobs often appear in the strangest of places.

Good luck to you, at any rate.

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#364645 - 12/09/08 04:25 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Registered: 10/24/08
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Loc: Cthulhu's Bowels,Kentucky
Agreed, I would love to get back on the horse. At nearly every factory in this area (JL French, Federal Mogul, Akebono, Sumitomo, DANA, ACK) they are giving everyone a mandatory lay-off. But being a temporary, there is never a guarantee.

For right now I am tattooing again (barely scraping by). I apologize for flipping out, it just struck a nerve. I do hope to get back on top, but seeing as how I can't trust even the most stable of jobs around here, i'm trying to join the military.

Bad news about that is that i'm have to use glycolic acid to remove my moko on my chin, and because my ears were at one point gauged to 1.25 inches I might have to have them removed since they aren't growing back on their own.

But its a worth-while sacrifice for early retirement and credentials. I'm considering HUMINT as I have always wanted to be an FBI detective. (I watch Law & Order:CI a lot!)
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#364649 - 12/09/08 04:53 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: hester moffet
I couldn't help but rant. I understand having an ego, but treating everyone that goes through a rough time like they are worthless is inexcusable.


A couple of things I think should be taken into consideration.

The original post had a heavy bias, it was baited towards getting a certain kinds of answers and make a point for the poster about what "great friends" do or do not do.

In such cases it is not unusual around here to get answers that do not include much empathy. I can think of a few cases a way back here, if you look back at one called "I was attacked today" you will see some similarities in the way the case is presented.

The statement which you think is one of the rudest you've heard during your time here (obviously that can't have been that long or you've neglected to read older posts) is still perfectly valid.

The satanic thing to do is still to be sure not to be in such a situation. Sometimes we cannot help that we start out there, or that things beyond our control put us back there. We don't always choose the circumstances, but we do choose how we react to them - like in this instance you have two people who are both fallen on hard times, but who continue to expend their energy bickering about who is in the right instead on how to resolve this and their own living situations.

The original post here did not include any information about how either of the persons involved ended up being in a situation where both could only afford oatmeal, but strangely still had wine and an expensive laptop. So assuming lack of responsibility or unfortunate circumstances are equally valid points.
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#364653 - 12/09/08 05:08 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: verszou]
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Registered: 11/27/08
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depending on how pushy the laptop owner is being i would rather ignore them or tell them to get fucked. accidents happen and i am guessing both parties had equal fault in the matter.

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#364656 - 12/09/08 05:27 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: verszou]
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Registered: 10/16/08
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My answer that touched a nerve was PARTIALLY tongue-in-cheek.

The reasons being were touched on in this reply...How can one be penniless, yet be drinking wine and having a laptop?

If one were REALLY penniless, why spend money on such trivial things?

I'm also not overly fond of "hypotheticals".

That being said, we make our OWN way in the world. Since I've been old enough to work, I've never been penniless because I've lived like I WERE penniless when needed.

Just like everyone, I have had rough times. Not lately, but in the past. When my wife was pregnant we lost our health insurance because the company I worked for stopped paying for it.

I quit that job and took another one right away for less money. As a matter of fact, because I'm actually extremely competent in my trade, the boss actually offered to keep me...By slashing someone else's salary to make up for the difference. But I said no.

It's a tight job market here too (I don't live too terribly far from Kentucky).

But because of proper planning and my own talent that I developed on my OWN.

I even taught guitar for extra money.

Now I don't run into those problems (although my retirement has taken a beating) and my wife gets to stay home and raise our son OUR way.

If Hester thought that comment was rude, then so be it. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it smile

Always remember this: If you are dependent on another person or entity for you wealth or happiness, it's HIGHLY likely you won't have either.

As a a friend of mine said: "You gots to make your own".

There's a reason why Dr. LaVey didn't judge people as fit to be "clergy" because of what they knew or what kind of esoteric crap-de-jour.

It was based on what they DID.

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#364662 - 12/09/08 06:14 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Fiat_Creperum]
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Registered: 08/31/07
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I don't think that being a Satanist means never having adversity in life. After all the shape the US economy is in, everyone is getting fired nowadays. It is no sin to be unemployed. Bankrupcy is no sin either. Poor does not equal stupid. And unbelievably enough there are those who manage to survive bandrupcy and get their lives back on track and have pretty great lives.

It's in the way you deal with hardship. I agree with Phosis that a Satanist would find a way to cope. It's all in the way you play the cards you were dealt. And some of us were unlucky enough to get dealt pretty bad ones. (I am in a pretty elite school with a scholarship but that is not important, other factors make me less fortunate than many other people) But what makes me worthy is that I am determined to make something of my life no matter what.

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#364670 - 12/09/08 07:09 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: hester moffet
That is the most ridiculous piece of shit i've ever read on this board. Because you are a Satanist all of a sudden you become this super-dooper rich ass self-righteous person that shits all over anyone who doesn't make enough money.

I don't remember some guy standing there waiting to offer me a million dollars when I picked up Dr. LaVey's book. And furhtermore I don't remember anywhere in there it saying that "You have to be very rich to be a Satanist". Some people haven't had all the opportunities you might have had. You sir are a stuck up prick if you say otherwise.

The Alien Elite, is all good and well. Who doesn't want to prosper. But not everyone can afford college,have things handed to them by their parents before them, or otherwise. Furthermore if you don't think that among the Alien Elite there are Alien Elite: Plumbers,Painters,Starving Artist,Writers,College Students,High School Students,and even that guy wearing the pretzel suit trying to get you over to McDonald's or whatever, then you sir are in perfect denial.

THE book only cost 10$, so if you only expected, or for that matter wanted rich people (by means of money, not rich in life)then maybe the book should have costed more, a great deal more.

Being Alien Elite is wonderful and all, but being a self-righteous cock and stepping all over everyone as if they were below you, well...we've all turned away from that relgion and stopped putting money in the plate long ago. Maybe you could play the piano for them.

Seriously, this is the rudest statement i've heard made on here by someone. I guess if you get fired from your job you are no longer a Satanist? And in case you haven't noticed the entire U.S. economy is headed for a depression, so I guess your version of Satanism will have to just "pick back up when the money comes back".

Fuck you dude. Seriously. With a fucking attitude like this you should be a Goddamn Christian preacher.



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#364678 - 12/09/08 08:34 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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What would Judge Judy say?

How old are you?

Where did you get the wine?

How much did you have to drink?

How much did your friend have to drink?

Were you and your friend intoxicated?

When did you purchase the laptop? (Depreciation value)

Where was the computer when the accident occurred?

You were both drunken idiots, accidents happen when people don't behave responsibly.

What do you want me to do about it? smirk

Your case is dismissed.

Shit happens.

Step out.



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#364682 - 12/09/08 09:12 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: gypsy]
all hallows
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thanks everyone. i appreciate all the responses.

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#364697 - 12/09/08 11:21 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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Registered: 08/11/08
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Loc: WA
Quote:
Poor does not equal stupid.


True, but it's not uncommon to see them go hand in hand.
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