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#364584 - 12/09/08 11:50 AM you and a great friend are in a predicament;
all hallows
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i would like opinions on this situation. say you and a best friend are hanging out, and your friend accidentally spills wine on your thousand some dollar lap-top. it is ruined and does not work; your friend had put forth all the money they had ($100) for it to be sent out for possible repairs. you are completely broke, strapped for cash, don't have a job, and are eating oatmeal every day. your friend is absolutely broke and in college.

do you:

a) get upset and angry, then demand that the money be paid back?

b) get upset and angry, and realize there is nothing that can be done?

c) other?

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#364587 - 12/09/08 12:12 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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C) Get a new best friend; I don't hang out with poor, stupid bastards.

D) Blow my brains out; I should never be that poor, or unemployed.

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#364592 - 12/09/08 12:26 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: TheDegenerate]
all hallows
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haha, ok, thanks.

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#364600 - 12/09/08 01:10 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: all hallows
i would like opinions on this situation. say you and a best friend are hanging out, and your friend accidentally spills wine on your thousand some dollar lap-top. it is ruined and does not work; your friend had put forth all the money they had ($100) for it to be sent out for possible repairs. you are completely broke, strapped for cash, don't have a job, and are eating oatmeal every day. your friend is absolutely broke and in college.

do you:

a) get upset and angry, then demand that the money be paid back?

b) get upset and angry, and realize there is nothing that can be done?

c) other?


c) check that the insurance I took out when I bought this very expensive piece of equipment (compared to my job and life situation). Then wonder why I hadn't sold it to get some decent food. Then wonder if I was causing this myself. Bringing it to a place where there would be drinking without appropriate protection (like the backpack that came with it which normally protects it from water damage when I'm walking in the rain) would be not taking proper care of it.

Along the line I'd probably be angry and upset too - but I'd probably try to contain it until it was clear where blame should be put.



Edited by verszou (12/09/08 01:30 PM)
Edit Reason: Bad sentence that could be misinterpreted.
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#364601 - 12/09/08 01:11 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: TheDegenerate]
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"D) Blow my brains out; I should never be that poor, or unemployed."

Yes, of course, any time you encounter a hardship in life, just call it quits.

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#364603 - 12/09/08 01:22 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: fire_vixen]
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You missed the point completely.

What was meant was that one who was taking care of business with one's life should never BE in that situation in the first place.

Well, the sheeple are in that type of situation all the time, but the alien elite shouldn't be.

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#364604 - 12/09/08 01:43 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: fire_vixen]
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Originally Posted By: fire_vixen
"D) Blow my brains out; I should never be that poor, or unemployed."

Yes, of course, any time you encounter a hardship in life, just call it quits.


Fine. You're right. I wouldn't blow my brains out.

I'd jump off a cliff, but only after lighting myself on fire.


(In case you haven't figure it out yet, both of these answers were meant to be highly sarcastic.)

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#364609 - 12/09/08 02:14 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: verszou]
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Originally Posted By: verszou
Then wonder why I hadn't sold it to get some decent food.


Hey now, I like oatmeal. grin

Regarding all hallows' predicament -- I doubt I’d get that angry. Like verszou, I’d be asking myself what I could’ve done to prevent it or if I was prepared for mishaps. On the Richter scale of tough breaks that scenario ranks pretty low for me. It’s not like they accidentally shot my dog or burned my house down. But, in the future, I’d take necessary precautions... like visiting the walking crime scene I call a friend at their house. Let them spill wine on their own damn toys. grin
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#364616 - 12/09/08 02:45 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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Like verszou suggests, I'd check the warrantee.

In any event, I doubt I'd get angry. Accidents happen. If I were the spiller, I might make a point to save up and reimburse the computer owner. But if I were the computer owner, I doubt I'd demand that.

It's a little late to get mad at the spiller; the owner had her chance to protect her property before the spill happened.

Sounds to me like just one of them things.
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#364620 - 12/09/08 02:56 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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I'd get angry at myself for putting my "precious" and expensive material in a place where it can be damaged. Shit happens, but you can avoid it.

I for one never bring my expensive "toys" to places where it can be damaged, let alone when I know there is drinking involved...
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#364622 - 12/09/08 03:12 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Mephisto]
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say the computer owner doesn't mention it for months, nor does the spiller (not because they have forgotten, but because they simply don't have the funding right now reimburse the computer owner), and the computer owner then accuses the spiller of trying to squeak by (in the middle of december, one of the most financially vampiric times of the year).

not only has the computer owner been complaining about being poor and having trouble affording food (and wine, of course), but also mentions borrowing money from people in order to come up with the rent. nor does said computer owner work. then the computer owner decides to make the incident that took place months ago a catastrophe to the spiller all of a sudden, making the spiller feel pressured, upset, and helpless.

the spiller and the computer owner being good friends, do you think it is any way odd for the spiller to think that there's manipulation going on here? the computer owner is getting squeezed (due to his circumstances he brought upon himself), so he's trying to squeeze his "friend" for the money the spiller owes him, which the spiller DOES want to pay back, but cannot provide at the moment.

all of a sudden now "doing the right thing" and paying the owner back become a catastrophic issue, and the spiller is left feeling like a slave of some sort, as well as very distressed.

do you think true friends do that to one another?

i don't.

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#364624 - 12/09/08 03:17 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: all hallows
your friend accidentally spills wine on your thousand some dollar lap-top. your friend is absolutely broke


He's broke AND has wine??
That HAS to be Mad Dog 20/20!
I'd make him give me the rest of his Mad Dog and call it even.


Edited by Roho_the_Rooster (12/09/08 03:18 PM)
Edit Reason: Spilled sterno on my keyboard *hic*
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#364629 - 12/09/08 03:31 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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I would ask him for an expensive possession of his that I have always wanted...like his camera, or TV or somethin....

actually I'd probably just blame myself for inviting a clumsy friend over to drink wine next to my precious laptop. Whenever I'm around friends who are drinking I put my laptop away just incase something like this happens.
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#364631 - 12/09/08 03:37 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: all hallows
the spiller and the computer owner being good friends, do you think it is any way odd for the spiller to think that there's manipulation going on here?


Given the additional information I would lean towards saying that there is manipulation going on. But I also think that other psychological factors could be involved.

Manipulation would mean that there is a goal to be achieved, i.e. the computer owner in some way hopes to gain something here. If the computer owner is already aware that the spiller is unable to pay in any way, then there is no point in manipulation, so it could just be frustration, lack of perspective and lashing out in anger (possibly frustration about not being able to get a new one), depending on the personality of the computer owner.

Of course the gain from the manipulation could also be of psychological kind, for instance the computer owner feels a sense of lessening his/her situation by bringing somebody else down to the same level of misery.

Unfortunately being a great friend does not guarantee flawless behaviour. Having a great friend for a person also often means that you feel more vulnerable and hurt when the behaviour of the other person becomes illogical or goes beyond the parameters that usually exist in your relationship.

The person making a judgement in this case (obviously I won't since I know only one side and have seen no real evidence) should probably take that into consideration, and perhaps also how to move on from here.

In such a situation it really isn't, in my view, a case of whether this is correct "great friend behaviour" but whether this is something that can be worked out and gotten past. There isn't any gain in being right if you're still fighting with a friend.
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#364632 - 12/09/08 03:40 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Fiat_Creperum]
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That is the most ridiculous piece of shit i've ever read on this board. Because you are a Satanist all of a sudden you become this super-dooper rich ass self-righteous person that shits all over anyone who doesn't make enough money.

I don't remember some guy standing there waiting to offer me a million dollars when I picked up Dr. LaVey's book. And furhtermore I don't remember anywhere in there it saying that "You have to be very rich to be a Satanist". Some people haven't had all the opportunities you might have had. You sir are a stuck up prick if you say otherwise.

The Alien Elite, is all good and well. Who doesn't want to prosper. But not everyone can afford college,have things handed to them by their parents before them, or otherwise. Furthermore if you don't think that among the Alien Elite there are Alien Elite: Plumbers,Painters,Starving Artist,Writers,College Students,High School Students,and even that guy wearing the pretzel suit trying to get you over to McDonald's or whatever, then you sir are in perfect denial.

THE book only cost 10$, so if you only expected, or for that matter wanted rich people (by means of money, not rich in life)then maybe the book should have costed more, a great deal more.

Being Alien Elite is wonderful and all, but being a self-righteous cock and stepping all over everyone as if they were below you, well...we've all turned away from that relgion and stopped putting money in the plate long ago. Maybe you could play the piano for them.

Seriously, this is the rudest statement i've heard made on here by someone. I guess if you get fired from your job you are no longer a Satanist? And in case you haven't noticed the entire U.S. economy is headed for a depression, so I guess your version of Satanism will have to just "pick back up when the money comes back".

Fuck you dude. Seriously. With a fucking attitude like this you should be a Goddamn Christian preacher.

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#364634 - 12/09/08 03:44 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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This is all hypothetical, I take it. whistle
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#364635 - 12/09/08 03:54 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Shade]
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Originally Posted By: Shade
Originally Posted By: verszou
Then wonder why I hadn't sold it to get some decent food.


Hey now, I like oatmeal. grin


Nothing wrong with that, according to commercials it's the secret weapon of Michael Laudrup (legendary Danish soccer player who played with Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus).

Originally Posted By: Shade
On the Richter scale of tough breaks that scenario ranks pretty low for me. It’s not like they accidentally shot my dog or burned my house down.


It's funny, now that you mentioned it - we never heard what was on that laptop and lost when the wine was spilled. Were there family pictures, a book script, a priceless porn collection, mails from loved ones that would be sorely missed?
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#364638 - 12/09/08 04:00 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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Try using a bit of tact in your posts next time. Talk about overblown knee-jerk reactions, sheesh.

Or did he rub a soft spot? Are YOU the penniless, unemployed slob that this post was referring too?

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#364640 - 12/09/08 04:06 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Yeah actually I'm headed that way. Unfortunately here in Kentucky, the only places to work are factories. Guess who gets all the products for these factories. GM! Magical isn't it. So thanks to all responsible a couple thousand people are being put out of job all over the southern region of this state.

I couldn't help but rant. I understand having an ego, but treating everyone that goes through a rough time like they are worthless is inexcusable.
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#364642 - 12/09/08 04:17 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: all hallows
i would like opinions on this situation. say you and a best friend are hanging out, and your friend accidentally spills wine on your thousand some dollar lap-top. it is ruined and does not work; your friend had put forth all the money they had ($100) for it to be sent out for possible repairs. you are completely broke, strapped for cash, don't have a job, and are eating oatmeal every day. your friend is absolutely broke and in college.

do you:

a) get upset and angry, then demand that the money be paid back?

b) get upset and angry, and realize there is nothing that can be done?

c) other?


First, it shouldn't matter what we would do in this situation, because everyone is different. If it was someone I liked enough to call Friend, and not just an acquaintance or other, then I most likely wouldn't bother having them pay me for the mess up, as it would be a waste of energy and just cause unneeded misery having to wait until they get money and ask all the time. By the time you get the money and get it fixed, you could have just saved up enough to pick up a cheap desktop to hold you over until you can repair it.

Thats just me though. Other then immediate family, I only have one person that I consider close enough to me to not want to charge them over such a mishap.

Your broke friend is in College right? Well, he may be broke, but have him take out a student loan and buy you a new one or repair the other one. Quite simple I would say.

Other then that, do as you wish, asking us what we would do is rather irrelevant, cause you are not us.

Good Luck
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#364643 - 12/09/08 04:18 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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I agree, but I think his post was taken slightly out of context.

I too have been through rough times. The difference between a Satanist and someone else, is that a Satanist finds a way to cope, and to get back on the top of the heap. The other guy is satisfied with his position in the gutter.

I can't question the validity of your statement, where factories are the only places to work, as I have never been to Kentucky. But it seems rather unlikely to me that factory work is your only option. Once again, I have been in the same boat (sort of.) where I looked around and said, "there is nothing I am qualified to do!". But, jobs often appear in the strangest of places.

Good luck to you, at any rate.

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#364645 - 12/09/08 04:25 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Agreed, I would love to get back on the horse. At nearly every factory in this area (JL French, Federal Mogul, Akebono, Sumitomo, DANA, ACK) they are giving everyone a mandatory lay-off. But being a temporary, there is never a guarantee.

For right now I am tattooing again (barely scraping by). I apologize for flipping out, it just struck a nerve. I do hope to get back on top, but seeing as how I can't trust even the most stable of jobs around here, i'm trying to join the military.

Bad news about that is that i'm have to use glycolic acid to remove my moko on my chin, and because my ears were at one point gauged to 1.25 inches I might have to have them removed since they aren't growing back on their own.

But its a worth-while sacrifice for early retirement and credentials. I'm considering HUMINT as I have always wanted to be an FBI detective. (I watch Law & Order:CI a lot!)
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#364649 - 12/09/08 04:53 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: hester moffet
I couldn't help but rant. I understand having an ego, but treating everyone that goes through a rough time like they are worthless is inexcusable.


A couple of things I think should be taken into consideration.

The original post had a heavy bias, it was baited towards getting a certain kinds of answers and make a point for the poster about what "great friends" do or do not do.

In such cases it is not unusual around here to get answers that do not include much empathy. I can think of a few cases a way back here, if you look back at one called "I was attacked today" you will see some similarities in the way the case is presented.

The statement which you think is one of the rudest you've heard during your time here (obviously that can't have been that long or you've neglected to read older posts) is still perfectly valid.

The satanic thing to do is still to be sure not to be in such a situation. Sometimes we cannot help that we start out there, or that things beyond our control put us back there. We don't always choose the circumstances, but we do choose how we react to them - like in this instance you have two people who are both fallen on hard times, but who continue to expend their energy bickering about who is in the right instead on how to resolve this and their own living situations.

The original post here did not include any information about how either of the persons involved ended up being in a situation where both could only afford oatmeal, but strangely still had wine and an expensive laptop. So assuming lack of responsibility or unfortunate circumstances are equally valid points.
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#364653 - 12/09/08 05:08 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: verszou]
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depending on how pushy the laptop owner is being i would rather ignore them or tell them to get fucked. accidents happen and i am guessing both parties had equal fault in the matter.

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#364656 - 12/09/08 05:27 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: verszou]
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My answer that touched a nerve was PARTIALLY tongue-in-cheek.

The reasons being were touched on in this reply...How can one be penniless, yet be drinking wine and having a laptop?

If one were REALLY penniless, why spend money on such trivial things?

I'm also not overly fond of "hypotheticals".

That being said, we make our OWN way in the world. Since I've been old enough to work, I've never been penniless because I've lived like I WERE penniless when needed.

Just like everyone, I have had rough times. Not lately, but in the past. When my wife was pregnant we lost our health insurance because the company I worked for stopped paying for it.

I quit that job and took another one right away for less money. As a matter of fact, because I'm actually extremely competent in my trade, the boss actually offered to keep me...By slashing someone else's salary to make up for the difference. But I said no.

It's a tight job market here too (I don't live too terribly far from Kentucky).

But because of proper planning and my own talent that I developed on my OWN.

I even taught guitar for extra money.

Now I don't run into those problems (although my retirement has taken a beating) and my wife gets to stay home and raise our son OUR way.

If Hester thought that comment was rude, then so be it. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it smile

Always remember this: If you are dependent on another person or entity for you wealth or happiness, it's HIGHLY likely you won't have either.

As a a friend of mine said: "You gots to make your own".

There's a reason why Dr. LaVey didn't judge people as fit to be "clergy" because of what they knew or what kind of esoteric crap-de-jour.

It was based on what they DID.

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#364662 - 12/09/08 06:14 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Fiat_Creperum]
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I don't think that being a Satanist means never having adversity in life. After all the shape the US economy is in, everyone is getting fired nowadays. It is no sin to be unemployed. Bankrupcy is no sin either. Poor does not equal stupid. And unbelievably enough there are those who manage to survive bandrupcy and get their lives back on track and have pretty great lives.

It's in the way you deal with hardship. I agree with Phosis that a Satanist would find a way to cope. It's all in the way you play the cards you were dealt. And some of us were unlucky enough to get dealt pretty bad ones. (I am in a pretty elite school with a scholarship but that is not important, other factors make me less fortunate than many other people) But what makes me worthy is that I am determined to make something of my life no matter what.

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#364670 - 12/09/08 07:09 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: hester moffet
That is the most ridiculous piece of shit i've ever read on this board. Because you are a Satanist all of a sudden you become this super-dooper rich ass self-righteous person that shits all over anyone who doesn't make enough money.

I don't remember some guy standing there waiting to offer me a million dollars when I picked up Dr. LaVey's book. And furhtermore I don't remember anywhere in there it saying that "You have to be very rich to be a Satanist". Some people haven't had all the opportunities you might have had. You sir are a stuck up prick if you say otherwise.

The Alien Elite, is all good and well. Who doesn't want to prosper. But not everyone can afford college,have things handed to them by their parents before them, or otherwise. Furthermore if you don't think that among the Alien Elite there are Alien Elite: Plumbers,Painters,Starving Artist,Writers,College Students,High School Students,and even that guy wearing the pretzel suit trying to get you over to McDonald's or whatever, then you sir are in perfect denial.

THE book only cost 10$, so if you only expected, or for that matter wanted rich people (by means of money, not rich in life)then maybe the book should have costed more, a great deal more.

Being Alien Elite is wonderful and all, but being a self-righteous cock and stepping all over everyone as if they were below you, well...we've all turned away from that relgion and stopped putting money in the plate long ago. Maybe you could play the piano for them.

Seriously, this is the rudest statement i've heard made on here by someone. I guess if you get fired from your job you are no longer a Satanist? And in case you haven't noticed the entire U.S. economy is headed for a depression, so I guess your version of Satanism will have to just "pick back up when the money comes back".

Fuck you dude. Seriously. With a fucking attitude like this you should be a Goddamn Christian preacher.



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#364678 - 12/09/08 08:34 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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What would Judge Judy say?

How old are you?

Where did you get the wine?

How much did you have to drink?

How much did your friend have to drink?

Were you and your friend intoxicated?

When did you purchase the laptop? (Depreciation value)

Where was the computer when the accident occurred?

You were both drunken idiots, accidents happen when people don't behave responsibly.

What do you want me to do about it? smirk

Your case is dismissed.

Shit happens.

Step out.



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#364682 - 12/09/08 09:12 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: gypsy]
all hallows
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thanks everyone. i appreciate all the responses.

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#364697 - 12/09/08 11:21 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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Quote:
Poor does not equal stupid.


True, but it's not uncommon to see them go hand in hand.
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#364698 - 12/09/08 11:48 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ArtAche86]
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I don't remember some guy standing there waiting to offer me a million dollars when I picked up Dr. LaVey's book. And furhtermore I don't remember anywhere in there it saying that "You have to be very rich to be a Satanist". Some people haven't had all the opportunities you might have had.


First of all, one should not enter into the study of practical witchcraft out of desperation. Far too many people expect to wave a proverbial magic wand, and thereby solve all of their problems. Everyone is looking for a shortcut, an easy way, a system. No one knows this better than Satan. Everybody wants to get something for nothing. The millions of contests, raffles, lotteries, bonus gifts, special offers, and free premiums, are proof of this. So are the myriad books, pamphlets, courses, study groups, etc. that purport to teach the ““great secrets” or “revealed wisdom” of one master or another.

The true magician knows one thing for certain, and that is an adage so corny it hardly seems worth stating, but very brutally true:

“You get out of life exactly what you put into it!”

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#364699 - 12/09/08 11:49 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Fiat_Creperum]
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No it just struck a nerve. I blew up about it. I shouldn't have. Just got bothered. Not everyone's problems are my own, and as literature has told me, not everyone is in my shoes, nor will they empathise with my present situation.

And as has been said, it was a hypothetical question.

I shouldn't have taken it so personally.
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#364717 - 12/10/08 01:56 AM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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Originally Posted By: all hallows
i would like opinions on this situation. say you and a best friend are hanging out, and your friend accidentally spills wine on your thousand some dollar lap-top. it is ruined and does not work; your friend had put forth all the money they had ($100) for it to be sent out for possible repairs. you are completely broke, strapped for cash, don't have a job, and are eating oatmeal every day. your friend is absolutely broke and in college.

do you:

a) get upset and angry, then demand that the money be paid back?

b) get upset and angry, and realize there is nothing that can be done?

c) other?


My answer is C. "Other."

I'd grab him by the ears, drag him to the ground and thrash the clumsy oaf to within an inch of his life.
grin

There's always "something that can be done" - it wouldn't replace the lost and important work that was on my laptop but I'd feel much better.
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#364719 - 12/10/08 02:13 AM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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c. Other - Get a job.
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#364737 - 12/10/08 07:01 AM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Lust]
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Darn! and I thought that I had bought my copy of TSB in the wrong store- I also was not offered monetary wealth instantanously .

About the computer- does my friend have one also? Can I borrow his/hers until we split the cost of repairs? I probably should not have taken it where I could not protect it- and it was their accident. Both have responsiblity, I think. Can we pick up a temp job or extra work/hours at work to solve the problem. If they truly are a friend- they will keep their word. If they don't have a computer - then they should pay a larger portion of the bill in the form of commercial computer time so that you are not more greatly inconvienced. Very few problems cannot be fixed though not always in the way we might like.
This being the holiday season, what are the odds of him/her getting it fixed for you as part of their presents from the family?
Are they/you getting a refund from taxes in January? Is there a computer science department in the school and could it be fixed as part of a project for a third student? They understand poor as well...
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#364762 - 12/10/08 11:49 AM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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This is why I don't own a laptop.

I hear this story over and over again.

This is why I moved in close to my school, so my desktop PC is close enough that I can just go home if I need to do computer work. Also, I carry around a Western Digital passport drive with all my backed up files on it so I can just use a PC at school to access my data.

If a part gets damaged, I can get that part alone replaced, and install it myself. If one hard drive crashes, I can swap it out and replace the lost data from one of the backup drives. And I can put 4 or 5 drives on one PC if I want, not counting the external ones.

Also, my machine looks frikkin evil.

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#364764 - 12/10/08 11:54 AM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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You are all missing the point. This so and so has wasted wine. Wine! mad
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#364768 - 12/10/08 11:59 AM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Damn, you're right!!

LET THERE BE RAGE!!
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#364777 - 12/10/08 12:46 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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A friend that does not voluntarily repay his mistakes in full is not a friend.
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#364779 - 12/10/08 01:03 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: HorrorCore]
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Originally Posted By: HorrorCore
Quote:
Poor does not equal stupid.


True, but it's not uncommon to see them go hand in hand.


I think each class tends to have its own various types of stupidity. It's just that the stupidity of the poor tends to be particularly glaring and obvious, because they don't have a sense of what they ought to know, and what they ought to act like they know.

Anyway, to answer the original question--

First, I'd see to it that nobody but me has any reason or occasion to drink next to my computer. Second, I'm not strapped for cash. Third, I'm not really a fan of oatmeal.

But, just to play along, I think I would mostly feel sad and upset. Whether I was actually mad at the friend would depend on whether I thought the incident had truly been an innocent, unfortunate accident or not.

From there, I'd probably go looking for an old-new laptop on Ebay or the like--because beggars can't be choosers--and ask that my friend contribute a reasonable amount (to be determined) towards the balance. (I agree with the Rev that any friend who does not at least offer to pay the full balance is not a real friend.) I would find some way to earn some extra cash, and I'd strongly encourage them to do the same.

If my friend is a shifty, lazy, or unreliable sort, I'd tell my sad story to other friends and acquaintances of ours, so that they can help put on the pressure and hold my friend accountable.
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#364782 - 12/10/08 01:14 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: HorrorCore]
Roho_the_Rooster Offline
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Originally Posted By: HorrorCore
Quote:
Poor does not equal stupid.


True, but it's not uncommon to see them go hand in hand.



Actually, that is far from true. If you were to attend an average Mensa meeting, you would find that the attendees cover the gamut, career-wise. You would also find that few are what would be considered successful, if income is your measure. The thing is people with an above average intelligence also have above average curiosity. They have more interests than those with modest intelligence. This often makes it more difficult for them to narrow the range down enough to translate to a successful career. Going in a completely different direction, a fellow stopped me in the hall last week, and expressed surprise at a study about which he read. It listed career avenues by average intelligence. Guess whose career was at the top of the list?
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#364783 - 12/10/08 01:30 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Originally Posted By: Roho_the_Rooster
The thing is people with an above average intelligence also have above average curiosity. They have more interests than those with modest intelligence. This often makes it more difficult for them to narrow the range down enough to translate to a successful career.




One thing I've noticed is that it also sometimes work the other way around. The intelligent person will become fascinated by one area and end up making a career in that, this can translate into being affluent, but not into being very rich. This will work well for them since there is a lot of satisfaction in working within an area where you have a great interest.

On the other hand some very rich people tend to try their hand a several areas of business (Richard Branson comes to mind) which do not always seem to be related in any way.
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#364792 - 12/10/08 02:54 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: gypsy]
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Registered: 07/24/08
Posts: 262
Loc: Inland Empire, Ca
Originally Posted By: gypsy
What would Judge Judy say?

How old are you?

Where did you get the wine?

How much did you have to drink?

How much did your friend have to drink?

Were you and your friend intoxicated?

When did you purchase the laptop? (Depreciation value)

Where was the computer when the accident occurred?

You were both drunken idiots, accidents happen when people don't behave responsibly.

What do you want me to do about it? smirk

Your case is dismissed.

Shit happens.

Step out.





I couldn't agree with this more!
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#364804 - 12/10/08 04:30 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Posts: 140
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Originally Posted By: Roho_the_Rooster
You are all missing the point. This so and so has wasted wine. Wine! mad


Given the fact the person in question is a poor college student, it was probably only Boone's Farm that he spilled and not a expensive red/white wine.

Still a shame though, Boone's farm is good and cheap. grin
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#364811 - 12/10/08 06:12 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Ebenezer Scrooge]
Roho_the_Rooster Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cyprian Latakia


Given the fact the person in question is a poor college student, it was probably only Boone's Farm that he spilled and not a expensive red/white wine.




Since this is a hypothetical situation, I have hypothesized that it was Mad Dog. That's good ripple.
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#364822 - 12/10/08 07:29 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Originally Posted By: Roho_the_Rooster
Originally Posted By: Cyprian Latakia


Given the fact the person in question is a poor college student, it was probably only Boone's Farm that he spilled and not a expensive red/white wine.




Since this is a hypothetical situation, I have hypothesized that it was Mad Dog. That's good ripple.


Never heard of it. I'll have to try it.
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#364825 - 12/10/08 07:40 PM Everyone? [Re: fire_vixen]
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Quote:
After all the shape the US economy is in, everyone is getting fired nowadays.


They ARE??? shocked

Let me suggest something a circus aerialist once pointed out to me.

If you are going to walk the tightwire then look where you want to go because wherever you do look, that is where you are going.

If you look at your feet, you're going down ...fast.

If you look to the other end of the wire and the safety platform there, you're on your way.

You can check this out a bit more safely by riding a bicycle.

If you see a pothole and you watch the pothole, in you go for a bump.

Look past the pothole to where you want to actually end up riding and you will easily miss the hole.

Assumptions have a profound effect upon what happens to us.

Most of the rich people I know went broke more than once first.

What they did not do was go broke and then fix their attention on what they lost.

Just a personal observation I wanted to share.

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#364830 - 12/10/08 07:50 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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"It listed career avenues by average intelligence. Guess whose career was at the top of the list?"

I looked up a few studies because it's fun. I don't know if I looked at the same study. One chart said it's mathematical scientists at the top. And another using a slightly different measure of IQ said pharmacists.

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#364831 - 12/10/08 07:59 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: fire_vixen]
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I was guessing the president.
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#364832 - 12/10/08 08:00 PM Re: Everyone? [Re: Nemo]
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I just know a lot of people who did in fact get fired. Not everyone, but a lot of people.


"Assumptions have a profound effect upon what happens to us."

I totally agree, but I think there are other things that are at work besides assumptions, some in your control, some maybe not so.

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#364855 - 12/10/08 10:38 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
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This happened to me once. Except the friend that spilled the drink on the laptop had four legs and a wagging tail.

All three were my wife's properties and she learned the lesson... no drinks in the same room as laptops.

By the way, a liquid spilled on a laptop can fry the mother board, but the information stored in the hard drive can be easily recovered.
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#364858 - 12/10/08 11:31 PM Re: Everyone? [Re: Nemo]
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Thank you, for sharing this valuable information, Magister Nemo.

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#364868 - 12/11/08 12:42 AM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: Old_Pig]
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Quote:
By the way, a liquid spilled on a laptop can fry the mother board, but the information stored in the hard drive can be easily recovered.


True, but with any luck (and some quick action) it might not come to that.

Some things for everyone to keep in the back of your mind, in preparation for that moment when you suddenly find yourself in the "holy shit it spilled right into the laptop's keyboard" situation.

Step One. POWER OFF. IMMEDIATELY. Electricity plus liquid equals Bad Things, so kill the power -- pull the power cord, and press and hold the power button until it turns off. Yes, you will lose your unsaved work. You'll live. And with a little luck, so will your laptop.

Step Two. As quickly as you can (simultaneous with step one, if you can manage it), turn the laptop face-down and let the liquid start draining out. Worry about mopping up the mess later -- seconds matter here. Flip that thing NOW, before the beverage works its way below the keyboard to the cicuit boards and components below.

Step Three. Yank the battery, if possible, just to be on the safe side. (You can't pull the battery on Apples without dismantling the whole thing, so in that case just hope for the best.)

Step Four. After it dries completely, you're at the point where you have to decide whether to take the risk of starting it up again, or to get it looked at professionally first. If what spilled was water or unsweetened tea, you'll probably be okay to just resume working, although that isn't 100% guaranteed. If it was something sugary, you may need a replacement keyboard unit, or at least a good cleaning. (Try the keys out -- are they sticky?) But if you're really unlucky, a drop of something made it down to a vital circuit board, and left a residue of something conductive between exactly the wrong traces, and if you power it up again, you'll let the Magic Blue Smoke out and kill the whole thing.

I've only had to deal with this situation once -- at the office I once saw an entire mug of (unsweetened!) tea get dumped into a laptop keyboard by a careless movement. Everything was perfectly fine once it all dried out, but I must admit I was really holding my breath that first time I turned it back on.

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#364921 - 12/11/08 11:34 AM Re: Everyone? [Re: Nemo]
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My experience aligns with what Magister Nemo says. When I was learning to drive, my dad always said not to look at the ditch when driving because that is where you will go. My own experience is that when the road has dividers or pylons that are close to my lane and I focus on the divider, I get dangerously close to side-swiping them. It is also my experience that when I expect something to happen (and believe it will - not just expect it and also expect it to fail), it does.

I actually would enjoy being laid off from my job and have 9-10 months of paid leisure. But I expect I'll be one of the last people there left to turn off the lights. So, I suspect it will be the latter.

Rich people don't know how to be poor and don't expect to be poor. If you watch extremely rich people crash and burn financially, it seems they bounce back and are rich again (eg. Donald Trump). They expect to be rich, they only know how to be rich, they can only be rich in the long-term. The same is true for poor people. A rich person loses it all temporarily and gets it all back. A poor person wins the lottery and is poor again in a year. It is too frequent for me to ignore.
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#364930 - 12/11/08 12:26 PM Re: Everyone? [Re: Chess]
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Posts: 137
Loc: WA
Originally Posted By: Chess
Quote:
By the way, a liquid spilled on a laptop can fry the mother board, but the information stored in the hard drive can be easily recovered.


True, but with any luck (and some quick action) it might not come to that.

Some things for everyone to keep in the back of your mind, in preparation for that moment when you suddenly find yourself in the "holy shit it spilled right into the laptop's keyboard" situation.

Step One. POWER OFF. IMMEDIATELY. Electricity plus liquid equals Bad Things, so kill the power -- pull the power cord, and press and hold the power button until it turns off. Yes, you will lose your unsaved work. You'll live. And with a little luck, so will your laptop.

Step Two. As quickly as you can (simultaneous with step one, if you can manage it), turn the laptop face-down and let the liquid start draining out. Worry about mopping up the mess later -- seconds matter here. Flip that thing NOW, before the beverage works its way below the keyboard to the cicuit boards and components below.

Step Three. Yank the battery, if possible, just to be on the safe side. (You can't pull the battery on Apples without dismantling the whole thing, so in that case just hope for the best.)

Step Four. After it dries completely, you're at the point where you have to decide whether to take the risk of starting it up again, or to get it looked at professionally first. If what spilled was water or unsweetened tea, you'll probably be okay to just resume working, although that isn't 100% guaranteed. If it was something sugary, you may need a replacement keyboard unit, or at least a good cleaning. (Try the keys out -- are they sticky?) But if you're really unlucky, a drop of something made it down to a vital circuit board, and left a residue of something conductive between exactly the wrong traces, and if you power it up again, you'll let the Magic Blue Smoke out and kill the whole thing.

I've only had to deal with this situation once -- at the office I once saw an entire mug of (unsweetened!) tea get dumped into a laptop keyboard by a careless movement. Everything was perfectly fine once it all dried out, but I must admit I was really holding my breath that first time I turned it back on.

-Chess


I'd like to add to this too, once you have it flipped over go get some electronic cleaner, I'd recommend keeping some around incase something like this happens. This will help prevent the stickiness if it's a sugary drink and might save your keyboard (on mac laptops it's a couple hundred bucks to replace the keyboard)
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#364984 - 12/11/08 06:38 PM Re: you and a great friend are in a predicament; [Re: ]
SueW Offline
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Why hasn't the spiller been making at least small payments towards the damage? Were they hoping that the owner would forget it?
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#365007 - 12/11/08 08:12 PM Re: Everyone? [Re: fire_vixen]
Nemo Offline
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I totally agree, but I think there are other things that are at work besides assumptions, some in your control, some maybe not so.


However your assumptions are under your control and as they program you with regard to how you perceive the world (Selective Perception), this is very important.

You want to see the answers and not merely the problems.

"It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters."
-Epictetus

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#365008 - 12/11/08 08:13 PM Re: Everyone? [Re: Lust]
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You are most welcome.

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