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#382055 - 05/21/09 07:27 AM Lavey's Motives
Atralux Lucis Offline


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I have been subjected quite often to people saying that Lavey's motive for writing the Satanic Bible and creating the CoS is for the money that came from it.
Now I like to think this isnt true and personally think he was killing 2 bi5rds with the one stone having spread his philosophy (a mighty fine one at that) and making a decent amount of money out of it at the same time.

Annoyingly people disregard the philosophy argument, but I would just like this issue answered as to whether money would have actually had a role in Lavey's motives.
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#382073 - 05/21/09 10:01 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Most people are motivated by money. Every act is a selfish act.

You are on track: "Now I like to think this isnt true and personally think he was killing 2 bi5rds with the one stone having spread his philosophy (a mighty fine one at that) and making a decent amount of money out of it at the same time."
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#382090 - 05/21/09 11:38 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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The idea of one taking responsibility for ones self, and deciding to be ones own God is anathema to the deluded herd. Satanism is not for them, and they will discount it to anyone who will listen. Most that I have encountered who are quick to give this opinion of Doktor LaVey, are either struggling with finances or are simply jealous of him.

Those outside of Church of Satan will never understand ones reasons for affiliating, or the tremendous amount of respect most Satanists have for Doktor LaVey.
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#382095 - 05/21/09 11:54 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Lust]
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I think most people would consider a job where they can make a decent amount of money from something they believe strongly in, to be a 'dream job'. (Two birds with one stone)

Having said that, Dr. LaVey's wealth was quite modest when you compare it to say... the catholic church?
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#382096 - 05/21/09 12:02 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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What's wrong with making money?

A corrective to this would be Dr. LaVey's essay in SATAN SPEAKS! entitled "Why I can't make money."

It is a mistake to impose conventional "spiritual" ideas of altruism and denial onto Satanism. We are OK with making money. In fact we ENCOURAGE making as much money as you can in this life, because it frees you up to ENJOY this life.

I'm sure money was a motive, right alongside having fun, raising hell, and fulfilling the REAL role of being ACCUSER to the bullshit and hypocrisy of mainstream white light "spiritual" religions, Western and Eastern.

The Church of Satan is NOT the Hare Krishnas.
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#382100 - 05/21/09 12:43 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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I also like to think that the good Doc was killing multiple birds with one stone when he founded Satanism and the CoS.

But, even IF it was all just a grand joke or a mere money-making venture, I say, so what? Satanism has neither picked my pocket nor broken my leg--quite the opposite, in fact! As a result of my involvement with the CoS, I have a life philosophy that works in reality, I've made some great friends, I've had some fun times, I've attended some amazing events and get-togethers, and I've been exposed to all kinds of wonderful ideas, books, movies, and places.

If Satanism is just another scam or scheme, then it's a pretty piss-poor one, because it's failed to extract even a tenth of the money and time from me that Scientology, Amway, or the Landmark Forum regularly squeezes out of their people. Maybe the CoS needs to promise that with Ascension to the Next Level, I'll be able to ride the stock market, bend spoons, and cause heads to explode, a la Scanners wink.

Most people are of the standard RHP view that spiritual leaders are always supposed to be poor, pure, demure, and selfless--and, being solipsistic, most assume that everyone also shares these same values and priorities.
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#382106 - 05/21/09 01:32 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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NO ONE does ANYTHING without self-interest in mind.
We're just honest about it.

I can't help but think notoriety was a reward, almost equal to the cash.

It would be for me.
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#382108 - 05/21/09 01:38 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Doktor LaVey was always clear about his motives. He wrote the Satanic Bible because if he didn't someone else will less qualifications would.
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#382111 - 05/21/09 01:51 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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It is actually fun to see that a question that only can be answered by Laveye is being responded by other people who guess it's motives. (And yes: GUESS, whom of you could actually read his brains? You only take his written words for granted about this question.)

Unless I missed a document somewhere in wich Laveye explains/admits his motives clearly without the reader guessing..

But anyway, why care about it? He wrote the SB (and other interesting works), started the church, made some money and his "work" lives on. Looks good enough for me, and if his motives and desires about the philosophy are fullfilled, then it's good for him. He aligned the basics, people wandered and were caught by the philosophy, recognized and liked this way of thinking, adapted the term and definition and lived their life.. (however, about living ones life can be a discussion apart)
Sounds good enough for me don't you think?


Edited by Dimitri (05/21/09 01:53 PM)

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#382113 - 05/21/09 01:53 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Dimitri]
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It is actually fun to see that a question that only can be answered by Laveye is being responded by other people who guess it's motives.


Some here actually spent time with Dr. LaVey.
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#382119 - 05/21/09 02:34 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Phineas]
Dimitri Offline


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Originally Posted By: Phineas
It is actually fun to see that a question that only can be answered by Laveye is being responded by other people who guess it's motives.


Some here actually spent time with Dr. LaVey.

Might be, but spending time with him doesn't open up the fact you actually know what was happening inside his brain..
You, or anyone else, might have known him very well, but it doesn't leave the option you knew everything about him or how his brains worked...

Which is my point.

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#382122 - 05/21/09 02:55 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Dimitri]
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Originally Posted By: Dimitri



Might be, but spending time with him doesn't open up the fact you actually know what was happening inside his brain..
You, or anyone else, might have known him very well, but it doesn't leave the option you knew everything about him or how his brains worked...

Which is my point.


Please elaborate on why one would need to know what was happening inside Dr. Lavey's brain before one could understand his motives. You assume that when Magister Phineas said, "Some here actually spent time with Dr. LaVey." that he meant they know Dr. Lavey's thoughts. Did it occur to you that Dr. Lavey might have discussed his motives with his close friends?

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#382124 - 05/21/09 03:00 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Torrent]
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Please elaborate on why one would need to know what was happening inside Dr. Lavey's brain before one could understand his motives. You assume that when Magister Phineas said, "Some here actually spent time with Dr. LaVey." that he meant they know Dr. Lavey's thoughts. Did it occur to you that Dr. Lavey might have discussed his motives with his close friends?

If one knew what was happening in LaVey's brain, the person might actually get all motives about the "why".

And indeed I know LaVey might have discussed it with his close friends, but ask yourself: do you always tell EVERYTHING to your friends? Or do you sometimes keep things to yourself be it or be it not on purpose?

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#382125 - 05/21/09 03:03 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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It might be interesting to note how fast one might be called blasphemous or heretical if one were to ask the motives of the original writers of the Bible, Qu'ran, Torah, Tao te Ching, I Ching, etc, and suggest that it was simply for money.

Generally speaking, its a troll question. But, as the other posts have suggested, it matters little the motives if something of worth and gain could be established from it.
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#382127 - 05/21/09 03:08 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Occasionally I've had a few people mention that LaVey's motives were to dupe the rubes into giving him money. They probably secretly suspect that they are a rube, and are overly paranoid about being taken advantage of. wink

I hope LaVey took everyone's cash and paid for fabulously cool carnal pleasures or lavished some sexy witch with a gift or two. That'd be awesome.

If someone cannot distinguish between a once-in-a-lifetime membership fee that multiplies in other types of returns and the guilt-driven money grubbing evangelical charities of other eligions, then they are being taken advantage of.


Edited by Zaftig (05/21/09 03:51 PM)

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#382149 - 05/21/09 05:43 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Zaftig]
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{Occasionally I've had a few people mention that LaVey's motives were to dupe the rubes into giving him money.}

Its interesting how people say this.
Those same rubes who mock The Satanic bible purchase it for a laugh, read it. and realise they were Satanists all along!.., and viola the Doktors magic is done!!!

Hail the great Satan!

As Karla lavey says 39 secs in on Satanis how people are transformed !

Satanis pt1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiuzpTaHHpE



Edited by Screamer_Pipe (05/21/09 05:46 PM)
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#382154 - 05/21/09 07:01 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Screamer_Pipe]
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Self-interest.
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#382168 - 05/21/09 10:24 PM Re: Lets put it this way..... [Re: ]
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Let's see what my $100 got me:

1. A symbolic means of identifying myself with a philosophy I hold dear.

2. Some of the very best, dearest friends I've ever had.

3. A chance to be absolutely blown away by the end results of other members' application of the Satanic philosophy. And THEN having someone with certain talents I'll never possess say to me, "Wow, I'm amazed by what YOU do!"

4. Experiences that inspired me to write a book about it all.

5. Best of all, the woman of my dreams.

You get out of CoS membership what you put into it.

Seems like a damn fine investment to me.
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#382181 - 05/22/09 04:32 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Originally Posted By: Atralux Lucis
I have been subjected quite often to people saying that Lavey's motive for writing the Satanic Bible and creating the CoS is for the money that came from it.
Now I like to think this isnt true and personally think he was killing 2 bi5rds with the one stone having spread his philosophy (a mighty fine one at that) and making a decent amount of money out of it at the same time.

Annoyingly people disregard the philosophy argument, but I would just like this issue answered as to whether money would have actually had a role in Lavey's motives.


If he was being a good Satanist, then yes it was probably for his own motives of making money, but probably also a lot more than that. His own pride, creating a community of like individuals who he can relate to and be more of himself around etc. Creating a better society for himself to live in.

People often throw out the cliche term that someone did x for money only, which is silly... Its an over simplification of a person, usually just for the intention of making them look bad in the projected image to others.


Edited by Terrenial (05/22/09 04:33 AM)

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#382184 - 05/22/09 05:18 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Terrenial]
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I agree, selfishness is inescapable, but then one can be selfish when spreading ones own ideas.

I think, yes its irrelevent that it was based on money for the religion and philosophy is still very valid (but origins and motive can have an impact on its credibility)
I must admire that the church is more upfront about its payment of 100 to join rather than christian churches beating round for donations and as I think i heard, they dont pay taxes.
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#382218 - 05/22/09 10:22 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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I must admire that the church is more upfront about its payment of 100 to join rather than christian churches beating round for donations and as I think i heard, they dont pay taxes.

Correction. If you have read the COS website you should know it is now $200.00
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#382276 - 05/22/09 06:20 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Phineas]
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A better mind than mine came up with this:
- He was guilty of nothing, except that he earned his own fortune and never forgot that it was his.
Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged
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#382392 - 05/23/09 10:45 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Although I have absolutely no problem with the idea of making money (in fact, I think it's a wonderful thing and I get very annoyed when people suggest that its somehow an ignoble pursuit compared to other goals), I seriously doubt that it was LaVeys only motivation.

The reason for this is the simple fact that if making money was his only motivation, he would have chosen a topic with larger or friendlier public appeal.

From what I know of LaVey, I doubt that he would have had the stomach to immerse himself in a topic that would have appealed to the kind of mass audiences that would be necessary to generate a great deal of wealth.

The fact that he chose to write about something called Satanism, is proof that he cared about the subject matter and content, at least as much as the monetary value.

However, Ill also say that I'd be a little bit appalled if he didn't want to make some money off of the deal!




Edited by John Prophet (05/23/09 10:47 AM)
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#382420 - 05/23/09 02:32 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Why is it that nobody questions the motives of their favorite musician? They'll proclaim his genius and have never a thought that he did it all for money.

Everyone wants to make money. Be more suspicious of those who don't.

Aside fromt his, I'd say it's readily apparent that making money wasn't his only motive. If he'd just wanted to make a quick buck, there are far simpler and more effective methods than founding a religion with such a hard selling name as Satanism, especially back in the 1960s when he started the whole thing - a time when coming up with some new agey bullshit was a lot more profitable.
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#382423 - 05/23/09 03:03 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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The way I see it is that Doctor LaVey made money doing something he enjoyed, at the same time as offering something truly worthwhile to the world.

He not only benefited financially. He is now living the Satanic afterlife in the hearts and minds of those whose lives have been enriched by what he offered; many of whom never even met the man.

That's a lot more than most could achieve.

Hat's off to him, I say.

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#382524 - 05/24/09 04:37 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Originally Posted By: Atralux Lucis
I agree, selfishness is inescapable, but then one can be selfish when spreading ones own ideas.

I think, yes its irrelevent that it was based on money for the religion and philosophy is still very valid (but origins and motive can have an impact on its credibility)
I must admire that the church is more upfront about its payment of 100 to join rather than christian churches beating round for donations and as I think i heard, they dont pay taxes.



And so he is gone smile I really wish I could find somebody who would take odds on when somebody gets banned. Even though I'm not a CoS member I can usually predict the demise of certain posters long before they are gone.

When I joined this board I remember being a bit puzzled when a member posted something along the lines of "Most often you CAN judge a book by its cover", because it did go against one of the things I wanted to believe at the time. But since then I've been amazed how often this is actually true - most of the time there are no deeper layers to be discovered, people simply are what they broadcast.

Getting back to the good doctor and his motives - given the knowledge I've gained here, his motives aren't that important, his effect on my life and what I do by applying what he wrote is. As an IT person I've used Windows, Mac OS, Linus and other things - I don't need to know the motives of the person who wrote the operating system to know if it enables me to get my own job done. The proof, as always, is in the results.
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#382528 - 05/24/09 05:44 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: verszou]
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Originally Posted By: verszou


Getting back to the good doctor and his motives - given the knowledge I've gained here, his motives aren't that important, his effect on my life and what I do by applying what he wrote is. As an IT person I've used Windows, Mac OS, Linus and other things - I don't need to know the motives of the person who wrote the operating system to know if it enables me to get my own job done. The proof, as always, is in the results.


Very nicely put.
Its kind of like: "What were Lavey's motives?". ...
Reply: "Who cares?" xD

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#382542 - 05/24/09 09:50 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: verszou]
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You can tell books by their covers, if you know what certain covers signify, so to speak, and you need to know which pieces of information are the most important or useful.

For most people, "don't judge a book by its cover" is excellent advice to live by, because they'd be miserable at judging anyway.

Anyway, this post was just an excuse to share my all-time-favorite LaVey-related conspiracy (so far):

"Ten years ago, ANTON LAVEY lived in NEDERLAND [Colorado], in a CAVE, as part of (unintelligible)."

Overheard at the fair. Spoken by a Christian guy who had stopped by the atheist booth to argue, while I was chatting with a fellow at the other end of the tent.

I regret not having understood the last part of the sentence--and all involved looked to be on a roll, or in the zone, so I didn't want to interrupt them wink .

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#382659 - 05/26/09 10:12 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: TrojZyr]
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I remember when I was a kid one of the most backward phrases I heard was "Money is the root of all evil"

The more I thought about it the more I realized that money is nothing more that a representation of good ideas or physical effort.

It turns out that the phrase was correct, that is if Satanism is evil(live) then Life "is" good ideas and physical effort

So regardless of how any one wants to paint the path of ones life, the fact that they got there shows their value and credibility through those who traded their good ideas or physical effort for anothers more often then not at a higher ratio than thier own

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#383562 - 06/04/09 10:27 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: TraceLines]
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I see it like this, In this shitty world we live in everything is about money. Whats wrong with earning money? Is that not looking after yourself and caring for the one person who is the most important!?!
LaVey was a very intelligent man who got to not only earn a living by being an author, but he also lived the life of Satanist to the upmost and had fun whilst doing it. How many of us can really say they do that!?!
you are right, he killed two birds with one stone.
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#383574 - 06/04/09 12:46 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: bludgeon213]
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Originally Posted By: bludgeon213
you are right, he killed two birds with one stone.


Or two flies in one impact. smile (Slovak saying)

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#388984 - 07/25/09 10:50 PM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: TraceLines]
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[quote=it matters little the motives if something of worth and gain could be established from it. [/quote]

Exactly, when I first received The Satanic Bible from my fiance, I was so terrified of it that I wouldn't even open it up. I thought it was evil and all sorts of other bullshit. I even gave it back to him (I was still a Christian at that time) Time passed, I asked for it back, read it and totally and completely saw myself in it.

I think back now as to why I was so fearful of a book (more fearful actually of the information inside?) and now I can't help but smile and laugh at my foolishness and I continue to thank my fiance for giving the book to me.

It has truly opened up what Satanism is for me and I have works from some other authors as well as ALL of Lavey's books.

It was seriously a life-changing thing for me. My fiance said, "I have a book that will help you." and help me it has!

If Doctor Lavey could hear my or anyone else's story about how Satanism has positively impacted their life, he would know a thousand fold that his work was/is not in vain.

HS!
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Edited by HereticPrincess2 (07/25/09 10:52 PM)
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#389021 - 07/26/09 06:49 AM Do the math! [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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I have NEVER understood this claim that LaVey was in it for the money. Aside from the obvious fact already stated that there's nothing wrong with being materialistic (hellloooo: we're Satanists!), you don't need an MBA to realize that charging one-time membership fees isn't exactly the most lucrative move for an organization.

Ever join a gym? Or pay for a phone service? Do they charge a one-time fee for the rest of your life? Of course not. I've seen other organizations (Mensa, American Atheists, etc.) that have the option of lifetime membership for a price, and it's sure higher than a couple hundred bucks. My guess is that most of the people who complain about this stuff have probably never paid for anything in their lives that didn't involve a cash register.

And are people so dumb that they can't do the math here? Let's see: if you joined today for $200, then after being in the organization for 10 years, it will have cost you $20 a year, or about $1.67 per month. And it keeps on going down with each passing day. If that's supposed to be a scam, well then it's a really lame one. Of course, if Satanism is not something that you can imagine being a part of your life 10 years from now, then why even call yourself a Satanist to begin with?
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#389022 - 07/26/09 07:33 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
inky Offline


Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 103
Loc: USA
Anton Lavey was not only creating a new religion, but starting a brand new organization as well.

Any organization in existence costs money to run and it states VERY clearly on the Church of Satan website that the $200 one-time membership fee is for administrative purposes.

Not one author has written a book "just because" since the dark ages. Personally I think the price of The Satanic Bible is worth every single penny. In fact it may may be a little under-priced considering:)

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#389030 - 07/26/09 09:48 AM Re: Lavey's Motives [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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Registered: 03/18/07
Posts: 239
Isn't this topic old as pasta?

Perhaps it should be locked?

I don't even see the need to reply to this topic since the original post is retarded.

LaVey's motives for money... oh please. Are you from mars or something?


Edited by Rodim (07/26/09 09:48 AM)
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