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#384876 - 06/18/09 09:01 AM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Umbra_Euri]
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I felt exactly the same way.

In fact, I believe my cat did as well, seeing as she was coughing up a hair ball while I was reading through this thread and the article.

As for Rodim's anger toward animals because of allergies.

I just wanted to say that I am allergic to cats, but that does not stop me from loving them.

Perhaps you should take the time to read through the Satanic Bible to remind you of our stance toward animals.


I don't hate animals Umbra, the carelessness i expressed was momentary, but it was in no means Anger in hate-form so to speak. In fact, two of my friends cats were in my apartment at the same time while i was typing the former reply, which makes me lucky also. Since my allergies aren't severe. As for the satanic principles, there is no need of reminding me of anything since its clear as crystal to me, and has been for the last four years.
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#384883 - 06/18/09 09:36 AM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Azathoth]
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I've never understood what motivates people to be so cruel to cats. I mean, people do cruel things to other animals but idiots seem to love tormenting the poor cats in particular.


I think it has to do with the innate grace and dignity cats have. I admit, I think it's hilarious when a cat makes a rare mistake such as falling off something, or getting its head stuck in some sort of container and starts running around blindly. They always try to play it off as if it didn't happen as well. Such fascinating and adorable creatures.

But it's only funny to me if the cat isn't actually damaged, of course. I think the assholes take things too far, as assholes always do. No self control just "hurhurhur that fun-eeeee".

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#384886 - 06/18/09 10:17 AM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Rodim]
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Son of a whore!

Don't make Me angry you wouldn't like it when I get angry! I have not read every entry here but I read that you could not care less about the CATS.

Batty mother &#& #&(%P %_%!

HOW DARE YOU COME HERE and say such things.

You silly #@%^!

I DO NOT FORGIVE YOU!

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#384894 - 06/18/09 11:21 AM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Soleil Noir]
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He may not get the chair, but he does face "up to 158 years in prison if convicted of all counts.


Well I would rather he die a horrible painful death than serve his life in prison I suppose.

I have much more sympathy for the loss of an animal than I ever will for a human.
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#384897 - 06/18/09 11:39 AM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Evil_Eve]
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Well doll, you seem to have been made as upset as I was.

But don't worry. Magistra Ygraine addressed this, and there was some sufficient backpedaling done on the part of the user.

Still annoying though, eh?

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#384899 - 06/18/09 11:43 AM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Yes, it can burn people up, but as Magistra Ygraine stated, it's almost too easy to start the group smackdown session on this one.

Let it go, guys. He may have been incredibly offensive and crass in his reply, and I'm pretty sure he's rethinking how he worded it. There are lots of animal lovers here that could get wound up over it, I'm one of them myself. Fact is, though, he's not breaking any laws by not liking cats.
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#384914 - 06/18/09 02:34 PM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Bruja]
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Well fuck him anyways.

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#384920 - 06/18/09 03:23 PM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Unknown User]
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Loc: San Diego, CA
I wonder if cats release a pheromone that ensures loyalty in their human "owners".

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#384941 - 06/18/09 06:01 PM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Thrax Orion]
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As distasteful as that quote was, I'll address the actual, (ahem) alleged perpetrator.

It has been historically proven that demented serial killers usually start their practice on "lesser" life forms. Then work their way up to humans. At what point as a society do we conclude that a line has been crossed and "appropriate" actions need to be applied. Are we to give this unfortunate misguided individual a second chance to be taught and understand sympathy and empathy until he kills a 15 year old girl? I think not. This Toy is broken. Throw it away. Standing room is getting tight on this orb.

Of course, I may be overly punitive as I want to do the same thing to some POS that throws garbage out of their window. My current percentage of the naked, white/other hued apes that I share this planet with and cannot stand is about 96%. I go up and down about 1% depending on My mood.

What's Your %?
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#384942 - 06/18/09 06:15 PM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: BenFranklin]
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Of course, I may be overly punitive as I want to do the same thing to some POS that throws garbage out of their window. My current percentage of the naked, white/other hued apes that I share this planet with and cannot stand is about 96%. I go up and down about 1% depending on My mood.

What's Your %?



You know, that's an interesting question... As it says in the Satanic bible, it is a waste of energy to go around hating everyone. But with that said, I find it a difficult habit to break. I hate humans, even though I am one. Specifically I find the culture here on the west coast of the united states especially abominable. People out here are very weird... They will almost always be polite to your face - Even your enemies! But they talk shit about you whenever the topic arises... I could go on but it's pointless.

Being infuriated with mankind will add nothing of value to our lives, and I think we need to calm down. Unless you create an airborne T-cell masked hemorrhagic fever virus with a prolonged incubation period so that the majority of the population is infected before first signs of trouble can be met with countermeasures, that is. Not that I've thought about that or anything. That would be wrong.

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#384944 - 06/18/09 06:24 PM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: BenFranklin]
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Originally Posted By: BenFranklin

It has been historically proven that demented serial killers usually start their practice on "lesser" life forms. Then work their way up to humans.


Could you cite your source? I'm not arguing with you; I'm just curious. And eager for the reference for my own purposes. grin

Regarding the rest of your post -- It sounds like a good idea at first but I still have this extremely uneasy feeling that trying to identify predictors (e.g. abusing animals leads to serial killing of humans) is a bad bad bad idea. Mostly because I'm afraid that under the right (or wrong) circumstances I may be considered "unfit for society".

Check out this "classic" list of "common, shared characteristics" courtesy Dr. Robert P. Brittain, self-proclaimed serial killer expert:

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* Usually introspective and withdrawn, he has few associates and no close friends and enjoys solitary pursuits like reading or going to the cinema alone, often to see horror films.

* He feels inadequate and inferior, except in regard to his crimes, which make him feel god-like, and is likely to offend when he has suffered a loss of self-esteem, such as loss of job, or being ridiculed by someone, especially in a sexual context.

* He can be a hypochondriac and display squeamishness.

* He has an elaborate fantasy life, imagining sadistic scenes which he acts out in his killings. He is fascinated by atrocities and excited by cruelty, such as that committed by the Nazis, and collects books or pictures of such images.

* He has an inordinate interest in weapons, often having a large collection which he may lovingly handle, and even endow some with pet names.

* He is usually under thirty-five, unmarried and of high intelligence.

* He is usually sexually dysfunctional, has usually had little or no experience of normal sexual intercourse, and may hate all females.

* Many take jobs which satisfy their sadistic inclinations, such as butchery or slaughter-house work -- in much the same way that necrophiles often obtain jobs as mortuary attendants and grave-diggers.

* He has a strong, ambivalent relationship with his mother, both loving and hating her. He is often seen as a “mother’s boy” when adult. Sometimes he commits matricide.

* Sometimes the father is excessively punitive and authoritarian.

* There is a great interest in pornography, particularly sadistic pornography.

* A history of cruelty to animals is particularly significant when it relates to cats, dogs, birds and farm animals. Stabbing and hanging is common, although worse cruelties can be inflicted.

* The method of killing his human victims is almost always strangling, which gives him a greater sense of power over his victims, playing with them “like a cat with a mouse”.

* Although these are sexually motivated crimes, sexual intercourse or orgasm does not always occur. Sometimes the murderer masturbates and sometimes a penis-substitute -- such as a piece of wood or a knife -- is used to violate the victim.

* When captured and institutionalized in prisons or hospitals, he is very well behaved, which can result in his being released or sent to a less secure unit.

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They don’t all apply but would they all need to? Is there wiggle room for interpretation, semantics, marketing, propaganda, perspective? I'm afraid there is. That’s both the best and worst part about labeling humans - it dehumanizes them.
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#384949 - 06/18/09 07:50 PM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Shade]
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Shade wrote,
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Could you cite your source? I'm not arguing with you; I'm just curious. And eager for the reference for my own purposes. grin


Peter Kurten, the Dusseldorf Ripper. Perfect case study on the animal to human killing connection.

I believe Dahmer may have started on animals as well, but am not certain and, frankly, would not care to personally verify the fact.

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#384974 - 06/18/09 10:24 PM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Unknown User]
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Thanks!

I could remember a few examples of killers but wasn't sure if that was a coincidence. Or maybe I was confusing something I heard in a movie or read in a novel with facts, I wasn't sure. Anyway, I didn't know if there was a specific study or something; I'm not real familiar with forensic psychiatry, etc.

Citizen Satori was kind enough to send me a super link: Animal Cruelty and Human Violence Linked. This is an excellent resource! It has lots of specific examples like those you mentioned and some great general information (if you have the stomach for some grisly details).

I'm still uncomfortable with some of the generalizations made when characterizing "possible" future killers, but animal abuse seems like an unequivocal sign of a sociopath. Just the thought of it nauseates me and, for the record, I'd be happy executing cat killers for killing cats... not for anything they might do in the future.
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#384998 - 06/19/09 01:00 AM Re: Cat Killer out on Bail [Re: Shade]
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I'm not even going to comment on that asshole Rodim, opps too late.

Animals are My best friends, I like them better than people. Back in the States I am a member of the SPCA and conduct wildlife rescue and rehabilitation.

*Stops patting Himself on the back*

As far as serial killers go, I do have an interest in them. A book I have found pretty interesting is The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers by Michael Newton. Covers not only the serial killers, but motives and all the other good stuff.

I ordered the entire collection of serial killer trading cards which I found to contain artwork by our very own Rev. Jack Malebranche.

Aside from that, I have read, in the above mentioned book, that a future serial killer will start with animals, and usually escalating to humans between 21-28 years of age.

This is not always the case though. My step-brother admitted to killing cats and birds when he was a kid, and he is 32 or 33 now and hasn't killed a person.

Even at this age he is cruel to animals. At his ex-wife's birthday party, which was held in a park, there was a dog doing what dogs do, sniffing around. This asshole ran up and kicked the dog in the ribs. I am sorry, when something like this happens in front of Me, the person's day will not be a good one. I beat him with the pinata stick until it broke. Needless to say, he doesn't like Me anymore.

Anyway, if this kid IS the killer, I would like to see him stuffed into a gunny sack full of riled up cats and clawed to death. If he isn't guilty, I do hope they catch the fucker.
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#384999 - 06/19/09 01:05 AM It [Re: MissMina1556]
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I was following the news all the time, since I have several cats and we live relatively close to the killer's radius of attack. It was a relief to me to find he was finally captured.

I have 12 cats, some of which live inside the house and others that roam freely in the big backyard. Many of them have been rescued from animal abusers and wear scars to show it.

Is it obvious this individual was a very disturbed person. Most street cats won't even let a stranger get close enough to grab him.

So this guy apparently searched for soft house cats. The ones raised y old ladies and young kids. Cat who know little about life’s dangers and will allow anyone pet them.

After finding the appropriated victim, he will repay the animal's candid affection with the most disturbing violence.

And then, the other face of this heinous crime is he would place and even pose the gutted, skinned or beheaded remains in places where the original owners will find them, like the doors of their houses. This ads an extra layer of sadistic cruelty, since it's intended for the loving owners to be find the lifeless mangled carcass that were their loved companions or favorite pet.

He is not just killing animals, he is doing it in a way he knows he is causing a great amount of pain. This is how this guy's sadism is not just directed at the animals. The other intended victims are the humans, to which permanent emotional pain and sorrow is being inflicted.

Some claim the guy who was arrested in innocent, but I think the evidence that had been revealed points at him. They found a kit of bloody knifes in the guy apartment (and some amount of the allegedly non-violent-behavior-related marijuana) and also blood and cat hair in his car. If the DNA matches the blood in his knives whit the one on the dead cats, he is pretty much done for.

Of course, there is already someone saying he had to dissect cats as part of his school curriculum, and that prompted the spree of cat killing. In a dissection the animal is already dead and refrigerated. It’s completely different from picking up someone’s kitty and cut its head off. Also, doctors regularly practice by dissecting human bodies as part of their studies… and so long only a very insignificant quantity of them have become serial killers.

So I just hope if this guy is indeed the cat killer, he receives the punishment he deserves.

Now comes the miracle!

At no moment during the original panic or the subsequent investigation anyone on the press or media blamed “Satan’s evil cultist” for the cat deaths.

Isn’t that curious? Back in my times every time a dead animal of any kind (especially a cat) appeared somewhere they always blamed it on us, the Devil's minions.

I remember in the nineties when the mythical Chupacabra started roaming Miami, every blood-drained chicken was instantly blamed on diabolic cults. And now with all these poor dead felines, nobody yet ran to the street carrying signs, nobody pointed angry finger and talked about "Satanic connections". Nobody has blamed us yet!

It must be a miracle!


Edited by Tha_Pig (06/19/09 10:28 AM)
Edit Reason: fixed spelling
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