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#384196 - 06/11/09 02:09 AM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: Svengali]
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And then there's the plethora of seminal celebrities who are now famous because of YouTube and the various reality shows. There are names we should NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH. Society is bored with artistry and talent before (and without originally)knowing what it is to begin with. Americans have sunk to levels that cast the beam of humiliation upon me - These CANNOT be my brothers and sisters.
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#384261 - 06/11/09 05:32 PM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: Terrenial]
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Terrenial, you argue your points well enough, but your position is undefendable.

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Although in theory what ur saying might sound good to yourself, I think that your missing the point that Satanism is simply to live more of the animal that you already are with no guilt and no repression.


Man is indeed an animal as he is not a plant, fungus, or slime mould. And I agree Satanism exalts and celebrates this fact, but I respectfully disagree that man's animal nature is the one and only lesson of Satanism as a body of philosophical ideas. If I took a shit in my hand and threw it at you like a chimp, I doubt that would land me into the position of Magister. Mad homeless men who meander the streets begging for change so they can remain completely obliterated by booze don't strike me as particularly satanic, but they do outdo me in the animal department because they are functioning on the level of a scavenging dog braving the elements.

You really seem to be into the whole rockstar/hessian black metaller mentality of "beers and bitches + senseless self destructive excess = Satan!", and I think you are passing over a lot of deeper truths in the process. And on the issue of Motley Crue, all I can say is when I look at Tommy Lee I see a man who is in a lot of pain that he may never untangle from deep within himself. The sensation of liking what you see in the mirror cannot be purchased, and no number of warm beautiful groupies will replace true love of the self.


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And also, the fact that Kanye West doesn't care about his grammar and english is a sign of his higher degree of self-centeredness. I doubt YOU could be so careless of others interpretation of you.


Deliberate ignorance is not a sign of selfishness, but fear. It is the sign of a true coward who must construct a fortress of unassailable beliefs around his ego to prevent the cruelty of his own inner critic from rending him asunder. I write the way I do because indulging in my talent brings me joy, and I love to carefully express, both with severity and precision, my belief in the great truths of this world which reveal themselves to those who would dare see. Imagine where we would be if Anton LaVey approached language with your flippant attitude.

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If you are worried that speaking in "incorrect" grammar or english might make others interpret you as weak and stupid, then you aren't really a leader. A leader DOESNT care! The more self centered you are, the more you only value what you think of yourself, and less of what others think about you.


Is that so? Then why isn't George W. Bush on Mt.Rushmore? Why do people still read Caesar's Anticato, or Hitler's Meinkampf? Great leaders lead with tongues and pens that move nations. They create ideas and illicit the love of their people by investing in them impossible dreams, and outlining a means by which they become real. How do you not see this?

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I think that I am intelligent, and whatever anyone else in the entire world thinks about my intelligence couldn't matter less to me.


I am feeling kind and poetic today, so I'll share something with you: I agree. I don't think you're unintelligent, but that is even greater folly in my mind because you seem almost intentionally resistant to some very basic facts about your world and the philosophy of Satanism that I'm sure you harbor a great love for. My question is: Why? It's not like allowing yourself to be proven wrong will annihilate you.

Oh and there's one more matter we agree on: A person's ability to articulate most certainly does not necessarily indicate their intellectual capacity. It does prevent them from showing it, however. My life partner is one of the most non verbal people I have ever known, but she often thinks on a stunningly profound level, and she does so with an ease I both envy and admire.


Edited by Thrax Orion (06/11/09 05:37 PM)

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#385542 - 06/23/09 02:48 AM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: Thrax Orion]
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Registered: 03/11/09
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I remembered this thread today.

Besides Dr. Anton LaVey, there seem to be some authors that the general public regularly reads, but seldom comprehends.

Two that immediately come to mind are Carl Jung and Fredrich Nietzsche. Today, I finished Twilight of the Idols. I enjoyed it quite a bit, though much of it was familiar territory to me as I've already read a lot of Nietzsche. I am currently reading The Portable Carl Jung.

One thing that strikes me whenever I read these two authors is the contrast between them and their current audiences.

Whenever I read Nietzsche, it is rather obvious to me that he hates egalitarians of all stripes. He singles out anarchists, socialists, humanists and democrats as some of the forces that are bringing about the Last Man. He clearly sees many secular trends as dangerous to the kind of human being he most admires. Yet I know countless people who are adherents to those ideologies that have appropriated Nietzsche for their own purposes.

They primarily seem to use him as a tool for Bible bashing and ignore the rest of his philosophy, while at the same time trying to present him as one of their own. I used to know a very vocal, self-proclaimed anarchist "punk rocker" who regularly wore a giant homemade design of Nietzsche on his jacket. He was fond of referring to Nietzsche as "the first anarchist." I wonder how much Nietzsche he read, because I can think of at least two passages where Nietzsche compares anarchism with early Christianity disfavorably.

Similarly, I recently found the Myspace page of a "Young Communist" organizer which featured a giant picture of Nietzsche next to the flag of the USSR and a picture of Lenin. They were identified as "liberators of the proletariat." I felt like banging my head into the keyboard.

And don't get me started about people who "read" his books and still think he caused the Holocaust.

The crowd that has co-opted Jung must be even more illiterate. Based on what I'd heard about him through other people, I expected Jung to be nothing more than Aleister Crowley with a psychoanalytic background. I actively avoided his works for a long time for that very reason. They sounded like irrational New Age crap disguised as science.

Boy, have I been pleasantly surprised! I've read about seventy pages of the Portable Jung volume and I can't get enough! From what I've seen so far, Jung gave many rational, scientific explanations for phenomena previously attributed to spiritual forces. He viewed man as an animal and examined him from that perspective. Absolutely no spiritual pipe dreams!
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#385582 - 06/23/09 11:42 AM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: tekku]
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English didn't start out with such difficult phonetics, but it also didn't start out with such a vast number of synonymous words. The primary reason English is so difficult is because it amounts to "original" English, as a Germanic language, absorbing a considerable vocabulary from French, Latin, and Greek. In fact, English conforms to original phonetics of each word surprisingly well considering adjustments to vernacular use over several centuries.

At the price of being difficult to learn, English provides an impressive choice in words. In a way I find it unfortunate that so many underestimate the potential of English as a literary language; with multiple word choices to express one idea, there exists considerable leeway for connotation and sound composition, where it seems to me many other languages must rely on sentence structure and word order to convey subtlety of meaning (not to say this is necessarily worse, but it does give English some advantages).

On top of that, English is sufficiently simple in its alphabet that it can be made intelligible across a VERY wide range of accents or alterations in the "true" phonetics. In other words, every phoneme has sufficient range of intelligible pronunciation that you could essentially apply the native phonetics of any other language to it and still understand it - English speakers can usually understand someone fine even if they speak with a very thick foreign accent. Compare to German, for example, where seemingly minor vowel pronunciations can alter entire meanings, or at the least, sound entirely wrong.

English is of course nowhere near perfect; it's difficult to learn and most native speakers readily admit that a vast percentage of the vocabulary is unknown to them, though usually those are words not commonly used in vernacular.
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#385589 - 06/23/09 12:20 PM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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The poet William Blake called English a "rough basement". That's how I've always thought of it like a cottage, with the upstairs redone, but underneath is an earth cellar littered with musty boxes full of queer knick knacks.
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#385592 - 06/23/09 12:36 PM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: Azathoth]
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Originally Posted By: Azathoth

Two that immediately come to mind are Carl Jung and Fredrich Nietzsche. Today, I finished Twilight of the Idols. I enjoyed it quite a bit, though much of it was familiar territory to me as I've already read a lot of Nietzsche. I am currently reading The Portable Carl Jung.

One thing that strikes me whenever I read these two authors is the contrast between them and their current audiences.


I remember three different readings of Nietzsche. Once being much younger and trying to find out if he was really the mastermind behind the third reich. Then later, more well read reading him as the opponent of Wagner, which was at that time my favorite composer and now a third time, after studying the Satanic litterature.

It is quite interesting how your perspective on him changes with age and learning, especially now, reading him in the context of "The Anti-Christ" with an afterword by Magister Svengali (I haven't gotten that far yet, so I cannot comment on that part). In my youth there would be many places where lack of experience and adherence to politically correct views would have given me pause, but now his words ring so much clearer to me.
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#385599 - 06/23/09 01:01 PM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: reprobate]
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Thank you, Warlock reprobate.

And so many word treasures buried.
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#385603 - 06/23/09 02:05 PM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: verszou]
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Nietzsche and Jung are both solidly on the CoS reading lists for good reason.

My afterword probably weighs in excess on the opposite side of PC, and is not specifically pertinent to Satanism.
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#385642 - 06/24/09 12:56 AM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: Svengali]
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Originally Posted By: Svengali
Nietzsche and Jung are both solidly on the CoS reading lists for good reason.


And today is payday, so off to Amazon it is then to fill in that Jung-shaped hole in my library.

Originally Posted By: Svengali

My afterword probably weighs in excess on the opposite side of PC


I would have expected nothing less from you Magister smile

Originally Posted By: Svengali
and is not specifically pertinent to Satanism.


Thanks for clarifying that. I've read some of your writings that are not specifically on Satanism and found them interesting as well. Though I don't always agree with you it's interesting to read about the issues from a person who is not afraid to take an unpopular stand on them.
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#385651 - 06/24/09 05:26 AM Re: Try actually READING the books instead of just looking at them.... [Re: verszou]
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Originally Posted By: verszou
Then later, more well read reading him as the opponent of Wagner, which was at that time my favorite composer and now a third time, after studying the Satanic litterature.


It's interesting you mentioned this because I've started listening to Wagner for the same reason. I was also on a Schopenhauer "kick" for a while and it's interesting to see how Wagner incorporated Schopenhauer's ideas about drama into his operas.
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