#385930 - 06/26/0906:21 AMRe: The King has fallen!
[Re: Enigma777]
DCLXVI CoS Member
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I couldn't have said it better, Witch Tiberia. That has always been my rhought on the subject of the money offered and accepted. IF he was guilty, PRESS it.
Jacko was and is loved by millions. His music will live on. Just as Presley's does.
Michael's difference , as has been said, made him an easy mark. But, then as the poem says, a child grows to be what he is taught.
Hell, I liked a bit of his work: "Billy Jean" and "Thriller" come to mind. I was 12 when he and his brothers first appeared on the scene. The kid was an entertainer.
I've got one question for his detractors: Who are you going to kick around now?
HAIL JACKO!!!
MICHAEL
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#385932 - 06/26/0906:23 AMRe: The King has fallen!
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Drake_Bamboozle CoS Reverend
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>> I've got one question for his detractors: Who are you going to kick around now? <<
Oh, fuck me. I dread to think what some of the mouthpieces will have to sling around now he's not here to defend himself.
There'll be some real slime coming from under the rocks.
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Dear Reverend, I am certainly NOT saying that he 'was' in fact a kiddie fiddler but you must have to agree that with his own words he sort of....well, made it 'appear' as if he were one.
Maybe he was misunderstood, maybe so. Maybe he had a hard life. I condemn his father for putting his children under such pressure.
He came from here. Well, Gary, Indiana that is, and lit a fire across the nation. I must admit that I laughed when he got burned at the Pepsi commercial. I know, I know. Eve is mean. It was kind of hilarious though.
Anyway, I don't know what to believe because as I said in another thread "I will never know".
Witch hunts are easy tis true, but talk about a kid being messed with and My dander will get up every time. It's almost as if the mother of the last kid....the one who accused him (was in cahoots with MJ). Almost as if she sold her kid like some type of ummmm pimp. Yeah, pimped him out for money and whatnot.
THEN AGAIN We have Macaulay Culkin and the Webster kid that said he never tried anything on them. So I don't know. I did find some of his ways quite disturbing. I do recall him holding his kid out of a window......things like that.
I am not trying to be an asshole here but really, when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc. (Just might be a duck).
#385946 - 06/26/0907:44 AMRe: The King has fallen!
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Shade CoS Witch
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I'm curious what will become of his remains. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if one of the rabid frothing fans tried to bite off a toe. Maybe he'll end up at the Royal London Hospital with Joseph Merrick.
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#385956 - 06/26/0908:49 AMRe: The King has fallen!
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TrojZyr CoS Witch
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My sense of Michael Jackson is that he had an abusive father and was raised Jehovah Witness and was shoved into stardom from a young age, so he was fascinated by childhood and was fond of children because he never got to really be a child himself--and what's more, never quite received proper modeling on how to be an adult, either.
So, I honestly can't say whether he was a bonafide pedophile or kiddie-diddler.
I can say that "Thriller" is a fabulous album, and that the "Thriller" music video is one of my all-time favorites. That man could dance like nobody's business!
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#385957 - 06/26/0908:52 AMRe: The King has fallen!
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Evil_Eve CoS Member
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Quote:
My sense of Michael Jackson is that he had an abusive father and was raised Jehovah Witness and was shoved into stardom from a young age, so he was fascinated by childhood and was fond of children because he never got to really be a child himself--and what's more, never quite received proper modeling on how to be an adult, either.I can say that "Thriller" is a fabulous album, and that the "Thriller" music video is one of my all-time favorites. That man could dance like nobody's business[
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So, I honestly can't say whether he was a bonafide pedophile or kiddie-diddler.
I do agree. I do. I simply do not know. All I can base things are in his 'own words' and in earnest, hmmmmm seem's suspicious.
Sincerely though, as I stated, I had a dance studio based on him, I used to lip sync to his songs. I cleaned out a god forsaken basement for an LP picture disc of him. I liked him.
#385959 - 06/26/0909:18 AMRe: The King has fallen!
[Re: Evil_Eve]
Shade CoS Witch
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Ah, I was making a pretty obscure reference to St. Francis Xavier. After his death one of the more zealous (or morbidly ingenious) literally bit off his toe to take as a relic. Pop icons are not nearly as strange or disturbing to me as the people who worship them.
The whole thing is kind of a weird freakshow but, as far as important news goes, I'd prefer to know if we're at war with North Korea. Or are they in mourning too?
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#385968 - 06/26/0910:34 AMRe: Wacko Jacko Dirt Nap
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Magister_Harris CoS Magister
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I'm not a fan of the man, especially in light of his (alleged) issues with children.
But, honestly, how can you listen to any track off of "Off the Wall," and not just get up and dance?
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Very true, David. On the way home from work, I was listening to a radio marathon of MJ's hits, of which there are obviosuly many. He truly was a master of the pop song, and the production of these tracks (thank you, Quincy Jones!) was flawless. It's hard for people from the generation below us to understand how MASSIVE this guy was in the 1980s. He was clearly the Beatles of our generation.
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#385977 - 06/26/0910:57 AMRe: Wacko Jacko Dirt Nap
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Roho_the_Rooster CoS Warlock
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Originally Posted By: JGausten77
It's hard for people from the generation below us to understand how MASSIVE this guy was in the 1980s. He was clearly the Beatles of our generation.
Most people compare him to The Beatles.
I tend to compare him to Elvis. A one man show. There is no denying either made real, lasting change in the entertainment world. Both were worshipped, were unable to live a normal life...and both exhibited bazaar behavior...probably because they were fundamentally unable to shoulder that kind of spotlight alone.
The Beatles had the luxury of being able to break up.
It's fair enough to say that his status as a bonafide pedophile is questionable. However, he showed amazingly, horrifyingly bad judgement and immaturity. He freely admitted to doing inappropriate and incredibly stupid things.
If my kid spent the night at a friend's house and I found out his/her father invited them to share his bed I'd go over there and whoop his ass so hard he couldn't walk for a month. Regardless of whether anything overtly sexual happened, you do NOT invite other people's kids to sleep in your fucking bed - with very, very few exceptions (such as if you are an elderly nanny or something). We can argue about what's the difference and all that shit all day, but bottom line is, it's not just "different," it's complete disregard for one of the most basic of societal norms on a matter concerning the security (both physical and emotional) of parents and children. In short, if you do it you are asking to be lynched.
For that alone he was a dumbass. Never forget that Satanism advocates "Nine parts social respectability and one part outrage." Emphasis on the nine parts. Do your weird shit, that's all well and good, be different. But don't be a fucking creep.
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#385983 - 06/26/0911:09 AMRe: The King has fallen!
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Discipline CoS Warlock
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>>I've got one question for his detractors: Who are you going to kick around now?
Who do you think? Britney Spears.
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