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#389878 - 07/31/09 04:12 PM Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview
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Here’s the first of a two-part interview I recently gave to Canadian writer Carl Begai, best known for his work for the Metal magazine, Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles. Carl hit me up on a variety of topics including the CoS, my books and some of my musical exploits.

The below article is also posted at Carl’s official website, www.carlbegai.com. Part two will be published next week, and I’ll post it here once it’s available. Carl is one of the good guys, and his great site and work are worth a look!


JOEL GAUSTEN – A Matter Of Fate: Side 1
By Carl Begai


Music journalists / writers are often pegged within the industry as frustrated musicians that didn’t have the chops or couldn’t take the heat. Not entirely accurate, but you need only to glance through a malicious self-serving review or half-hearted article to find the guilty-as-charged. Author / journalist Joel Gausten is far from being one of the disenchanted, boasting instead a successful catalogue of books and a long and colourful music career that shows signs of picking up even more steam. To date he has written books on Black Sabbath, Prong, Killing Joke, The Undead and The Misfits, and a tome on Satanism. His punk / metal credits include an extended stint with The Undead, The Misfits, Pigface, Electric Frankenstein, and a work-in-progress under the name Effectionhate. In all, an impressive little empire that shows every sign of continued growth, largely because the brain behind it is bolted in place and his vision is crystal clear.

“I’ve always been very, very interested in writing,” Gausten says, beginning a two part interview on his escapades. “It’s something I’ve always loved and it really started for me in grade school. As a young kid I had some speech problems, so I always found it more effective to write in terms of plain old communication. I guess it was about Grade 5 where I really started to discover music, and I was into what I guess you could call the popular hard rock music of the day. Guns N’ Roses was just starting to get noticed, stuff like that, so I actually published my own ‘zine (laughs). It didn’t really have anything in it; it was just regurgitating stuff from real magazines, and I sold it in my school through the student council and raised 13 bucks at a quarter each (laughs). That’s when I realized ‘Hmm, there might be something to this.’ That was my first big success.”

“Around the same time I also started playing drums, so I got into playing music and writing at the same time. I went to college, got a degree in journalism, played in various garage bands, and when I got out of college my first real job that paid the bills and kept the lights on was working as an editor for a music magazine. That was at 23 years old, right out of the gate. Fast forwarding things a bit, the music magazine job didn’t last for very long because I came in towards the end of its lifespan. This was when Napster started, and this magazine was produced for a compact disc store chain, so you put two and two together… In ’05 I devised the idea for a book, Albums That Should Have Changed The World – this was before I was on MySpace and before I was aware of Wikipedia – so it was all very organically built. Everything that’s come since that time has in one way or another been the result of this main book idea I had. I think that book will be out within the next year-and-a-half or two years.”

What makes Gausten’s success as a writer noteworthy is the fact all his works are independent releases. No big name publishing house doing the legwork, no promo department to make him look and sound good.

“It was just a very gradual process because I started out with the books thinking I was going to get a publishing deal,” he says of going the indie route. “That was my goal, and after about a year into all of this I ended up negotiating with a very, very large publisher; probably one of the biggest in the world as far as music books go. They wanted to pursue this interview book of mine, and at the point I probably had about 100 interviews done, but once they said ‘This is great…’ they immediately wanted to change everything.”

Big business at its best. Gausten elaborates:

“The original book concept was based in eclecticism, because I don’t see anything wrong with putting Aerosmith next to Throbbing Gristle in a music book. They had an issue with that, they wanted to cut some of the more obscure bands. They were worried because they were a very large company, and large companies are in business to make a profit. I do understand that and I harbour no ill will towards any of the people at this company. So, we went back and forth for months and we just couldn’t make it work because realistically, unless you’re publishing a book on The Beatles or Johnny Cash or somebody else that’s died you’re not really going to sell more than 3,000 to 5,000 copies. I knew all of this going in, and eventually I thought that if I had to cut all this stuff out and I’d be hitting those sales figures, there’s no reason why I can’t do it on my own. I might even exceed those numbers. So, I shook hands with the publisher and we went our separate ways.”

Gausten credits the internet, MySpace in particular, for getting the ball rolling in earnest. This interview is in fact a result of the buzz he created pushing his wares online.

“I started my MySpace page after I cut talks with the publisher, but at that time (2006) I was all very new to this. Now I’ve fully embraced the internet even though I’ve always been kind of old school in my thinking, and I really caught up quick when I realized that despite my initial misgivings about technology, it had created something almost like a new Wild West.”

Asked if he’s at all surprised by being able to make a living off his writing, Gausten admits he’s “blown away by it” without missing a beat.

“What really kickstarted the whole series of books to begin with was Halloween ’06, because for no other reason than it was Halloween, I put up some excerpts of the Misfits chapter from the overall book project. That post alone got 3,000 hits a day and it just kind of exploded. It was really around that time I began to think back over the course of my career and realized ‘Holy shit, all these things that I’ve done, if you combine them it doesn’t look so bad.’ Getting this far has been a very, very interesting series of happy accidents.”

Far from being an accident was Gausten’s entry into the Church of Satan in 2002 on his 25th birthday, a revelation that no doubt causes some people to flag him according to Hollywood doctrine as an outcast of society. Those with intelligence beyond media rag programming will follow his line of thinking as presented in an interview with Sinfully Delicious Magazine. When asked about joining his Church, Gausten responded: “I first became aware of Satanism through the infamous ‘Satanic Panic’ of the 1980s. I remember watching those television programs hosted by Geraldo Rivera and his ilk and thinking, ‘There is no way this stuff is real.’ After all, if thousands of bloodthirsty nutcases were roaming the streets killing cows and abducting children, wouldn’t someone other than a second-rate ‘journalist’ / talk-show host notice?”

Gausten makes his point crystal clear in his most successful book to date, Words From The Third Side: Essays On Sex, Satan & Success. And although there were a few bodies put off by the venture, the expected nuclear fallout upon its release never materialized.

“You know what the response was? Respectful curiosity. What I received from the people already following me was the thinking that ‘If Joel’s into it perhaps there’s some merit to it.’ And that was my goal. I’ve been a member of the Church of Satan since 2002, so it’s been part of my life for quite a few years, but I never came out and said ‘I am a Satanist and I have books out.’ I felt it would be far more effective if I achieved things by working in more mainstream circles and then come up and say ‘Oh, by the way…’

Gausten’s take on Satanism echoes that of Mercyful Fate frontman King Diamond, a follower of the faith who turned its splattershock hatedeathkill image on its ear in an interview with me several years ago with his soft-spoken intelligence and down-to-earth views.

“King Diamond is a wonderful performer, he’s a very creative man, and he’s done very good things for our organization,” says Gausten. “I credit King Diamond as being one of the first people I ever read who absolutely dispelled all those common misconceptions surrounding Satanism. People like him, David Vincent from Morbid Angel, these were the people who came before, and I’d like to think that I’m carrying on a tradition of intelligent people in the music industry who are unafraid to say exactly what they think and what they feel.”

As for those that may see Gausten’s views and faith as nothing more than lucrative shock value, Words From The Third Side is recommended reading.

“I think the shock value aspect is taken away pretty quickly once you read it. I’m sure when you spoke to King Diamond it was the same thing. Obviously I’m very fortunate to have many dear friends in the organization who are very supportive, but there is a whole different side of people who like the other stuff I’ve done that have said ‘We know Joel’s not a freak, we know he’s not a nutcase, we know he’s a productive member of society, so there has to be something to this.’ They may not necessarily agree with what I have to say, but at least they know it’s coming from a somewhat healthy place (laughs).”


Edited by JGausten77 (07/31/09 04:52 PM)
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#389890 - 07/31/09 06:03 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: JCLAG]
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That was a very nice interview, thanks for posting!
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#389894 - 07/31/09 06:39 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: JCLAG]
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Awaiting part 2! grin
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#389896 - 07/31/09 06:47 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: JCLAG]
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Great read so far! Can't wait for more!

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#389897 - 07/31/09 07:42 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: Unknown User]
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Thanks, everyone! Carl does great work, and I'm honored to be one of his subjects.
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#389905 - 07/31/09 10:22 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Thanks! Part Two should be a fun read, since Carl grilled me at length about my days with a certain Devilock'ed band from New Joisey!
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#389906 - 07/31/09 10:23 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: ]
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Awww...:)
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#389907 - 07/31/09 10:23 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: HereticPrincess2]
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You're welcome. smile Thanks for reading. smile
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#389978 - 08/01/09 03:27 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: JCLAG]
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You're welcome, I'm awaiting part 2 as well!
P.S. I love your avatar...its very sweet, whenever I look at it, I'm all "Aww, that's so sweet!" smile
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#390165 - 08/03/09 10:34 AM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: HereticPrincess2]
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Golly... thanks! smile
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#390185 - 08/03/09 12:59 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: JCLAG]
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Nice interview smile

Reminds me that I should get the Black Sabbath book one of these days.
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#390187 - 08/03/09 01:07 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: verszou]
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Actually, wait on that. The Sabbath book will be discontinued soon and reprinted in its entirety in my upcoming hardcover anthology, "From Satan to Sabbath," due at the end of the month. I'm glad you enjoyed the interview. Thanks! smile
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#390195 - 08/03/09 01:51 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: JCLAG]
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Thanks for the info, holding my horses then smile
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#390200 - 08/03/09 02:15 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: verszou]
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Go to www.myspace.com/ahrt to check out Shannon's artwork for the cover. Wow!!


Edited by JGausten77 (08/03/09 09:29 PM)
Edit Reason: Removal of CoS-only site mention
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#390269 - 08/03/09 09:29 PM Re: Warlock Gausten Two-Part Interview [Re: HereticPrincess2]
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You can go to www.myspace.com/ahrt to see it.
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#391037 - 08/09/09 11:48 AM Here's Part Two of the interview!! [Re: JCLAG]
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JOEL GAUSTEN - A Matter of Fate: Side 2
By Carl Begai

As mentioned in Part 1, Gausten’s accomplishments as a writer go hand-in-hand with his conquests as a musician. He lays claim to having performed and / or recorded with Pigface, Electric Frankenstein, the Misfits and The Undead and has been forced on occasion to defend those claims – for the record, successfully – particularly with regards to the Misfits (read Joel's comments at: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=107960739&blogId=489185912.) Gausten raised the ire of their fans in early 2009 by posting what he said were bootleg rehearsal recordings featuring himself on drums on his MySpace page, with many of the discontented pointing out that Gausten was never a member of the band. That said, how dare he suggest he performed with the legendary horror punk outfit? The Misfits had been around since the 1977. Gausten was clearly blowing smoke; as if he’d been kicking back with the band at the age of 12…


"(Laughs) Pretty close; I was 17, and that was just another happy accident. It was 1995 and there was actually a scene for a 17 year old punk rocker. I was into it full force. Being in New Jersey at that age, you couldn’t not love the Misfits because they were the quintessential punk band. At that point in time they hadn’t reformed yet, and there was this whole wonderful mystique about them because they hadn’t been around. If you were a kid in New Jersey in those days and you went to a record store and saw a poster of Doyle (guitars), that was a very cool thing because we all loved the Misfits. Being the rambunctious pain-in-the-ass that I am, I was booking some shows that were doing pretty well, I thought ‘Why don’t I find the Misfits and have them reform?’ (laughs).”

Nothing like thinking outside the box...

“The thing is, when you’re dealing in independent books and music, you cannot be afraid to hear the word ‘no’ because eventually somebody will say ‘yes.’ It’s like, if the worst thing those guys can do is say ‘no’ I can still get up in the morning.”

Gausten explains how he ended up with the controversial bootleg recordings, and more importantly, how he ended up rehearsing with the band to begin with.

“At the time I had a buddy who worked at a music store in the area, and he was actually Doyle’s guitar tech. I ended up getting Jerry’s (Only / bass) home phone number, and I think it was on a Tuesday that I called around 10:30 at night. The phone picked up and there was this massive sound: ‘HELLLLLLLLOOOOO!!’ (laughs). I introduced myself and explained what I was calling about, and he told me that they were actually getting the band back together but they didn’t have a drummer. Naturally I said, ‘Well I’m a drummer…’ He asked me what I knew of the band’s music and I told him: ‘Everything.’ I mean, what else am I going to say to the guy? His response was ‘Okay, seeya Saturday.’ So, I spent the next three days learning as many Misfits songs as I could (laughs).”

“I showed up and auditioned for them; I sat behind Robo’s drum set, which was massive, we jammed and it sounded great. At that point in time, because of my age they didn’t feel it was appropriate or safe for me to have me on board. At 17 I was bummed, but at 32 I understand why, and I thank them for that because I’d probably be dead by now had I gone ahead with them (laughs).”

“What happened was… Jerry was always there, rehearsing three times a week. He was the ringleader of the whole reformation of the band. At the time they sort of had Dr. Chud (drums) in the band, but I had the sense he wasn’t taking it too seriously. I don’t know; you’d have to ask them about it. He was doing sound and their primary concern was auditioning singers, which made sense because they were replacing the definitive punk rock singer (Glenn Danzig), and because Chud was recording the auditions they needed somebody to keep the beat. They told me they liked my style, they knew I could play drums, I lived very close to where they rehearsed, so they asked me ‘Why don’t you come up here after school three times a week? It’ll help you become a better drummer and it’ll help the band out.’ I was like, ‘Fine!’ (laughs). So, for five or six months I’d go up there after school, we’d do maybe 30 songs a night. Pretty much everything I could think to learn.”

“The story gets even weirder,” Gausten continues, “because when these people came up for their audition they’d get a cassette tape of it as a thank you. So even if they were horrendous – which most of these guys were – they’d still get the audition tape that Chud had recorded. Whether it be by design or accident these tapes hit the bootleg market overnight. The funny thing is, around 2006 I got an email from a buddy I hadn’t heard from in years saying that he’d gotten a Misfits bootleg: ‘Supposedly it was recorded in 1995 and it says you’re on it. Is that true?’ I told him it was a very good chance I was on it because I was there. He sent it along and it was me on the tape; a full length bootleg, and I started posting little excerpts of that up on another MySpace page I had. For no other reason than it was just sitting there.”

“I was actually the drummer for (former singer) Michale Graves’ audition. That tape hasn’t turned up, but I’m the drummer on it.”

Gausten’s current musical activities include a new Undead EP with ex-Misfits guitarist Bobby Steele entitled I Made A Monster, a new full length Undead album due to be released in 2010, and an industrial project with his fiancee Shannon Gardner under the banner Effectionhate. Again, Gausten came under fire for claiming to have been working extensively with The Undead even though he didn’t appear on any recordings save for the Halloween EP (2007). In actual fact, Gausten and Steele have been working together since 1998.

“I was just tinkering online a bit and I came across Bobby Steele,” Gausten says of his Undead relationship. “I introduced myself and mentioned that I’d worked with Jerry and the Misfits and that I was a big fan of his as well. We met up at an Eerie Von show and kept in touch from there. Obviously there was some politics between him and Jerry, but I was fortunate enough to be able to lay down the rules and let them know that I base my opinions of people on personal experience, not what I’m told. Once that was cleared up Bobby and I stayed friends, and I’ve been his drummer off and on for 11 years.”

It’s worth noting that with Gausten’s rise to being almost famous, The Undead has received a decent amount of online coverage over the last year or two.

“That’s because The Undead’s drummer is now a publicist,” laughs Gausten. “This is the world I live in.”

With regards to Effectionhate, Gausten says the project is taking shape slowly but surely as it moves from the basement to something resembling a band.

“It’s more Shannon’s thing,” Gausten admits. “She’s been toying around with music for a couple years, and what’s fascinating about her work is that she’s a complete amateur musician and comes up with some pretty amazing stuff. Right now it’s a studio project. Our goal is to take it one step at a time. We want this to grow very organically. It’s already gone from the random sound ideas created in her home to bringing in other musicians, which will be announced as things develop. We’re just taking it as it comes. Shannon is the brains behind the whole thing, though. I am but a mere accessory (laughs).”


Edited by JGausten77 (08/09/09 11:20 PM)
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#391043 - 08/09/09 12:32 PM Re: Here's Part Two of the interview!! [Re: ]
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I agree - especially that whole bit about you. smile
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#391051 - 08/09/09 01:27 PM Re: Here's Part Two of the interview!! [Re: JCLAG]
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Originally Posted By: JGausten77

“The thing is, when you’re dealing in independent books and music, you cannot be afraid to hear the word ‘no’ because eventually somebody will say ‘yes.’ It’s like, if the worst thing those guys can do is say ‘no’ I can still get up in the morning.”


Probably applies to other fields as well smile I was just thinking about some of my own ideas where I've limited myself thinking that I'd only get at no, so it was very inspiring to go here and read that smile
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#391055 - 08/09/09 02:06 PM Re: Here's Part Two of the interview!! [Re: verszou]
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Cool. Keep at it. smile
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#391572 - 08/14/09 01:59 PM Re: Here's Part Two of the interview!! [Re: JCLAG]
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#391622 - 08/15/09 12:27 AM Re: Here's Part Two of the interview!! [Re: $lesk]
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Same here, Muffy.
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#392670 - 08/24/09 02:43 PM USA TODAY! [Re: JCLAG]
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As a postscript to this post, both interviews appear to have been added to USA TODAY's online database. smile The easiest way to find them is to Google "Joel Gausten USA Today." Pretty neat. smile
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#392684 - 08/24/09 06:21 PM Re: USA TODAY! [Re: JCLAG]
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Originally Posted By: JGausten77
Pretty neat. smile


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#392763 - 08/25/09 11:29 AM Re: USA TODAY! [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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It pleases me to know that I will go down in history as someone who trashed Geraldo Rivera in the mainstream press. smile
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