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#391097 - 08/10/09 02:02 AM Questions on basic COS membership.
mb_goatis Offline


Registered: 08/06/09
Posts: 76
Loc: Dallas area, TX
Hello,

I have been a practicing Satanist for many years now. I finally have internet access and I feel that becoming an official member is a step in the right direction for me.

I do have a few basic questions that I could not find the answers to on the Church of Satan website or using the LTTD search function.

1. I read that the active membership can take about a year to get a reply from. Is this the same situation with basic membership? If not, how long (usually) is the waiting period for reciving your crimson card.

2. With becoming a member of The Church of Satan, I know you will revieve a personal card stating your membership and you can be put on an e-bulliten list. I have also heard rumors that it comes with a grey/silver baphomet medallion, or is this just the active membership (or neither) .Is there anything else I can expect when becoming a member?

3. What is the policy on lost/stolen/damaged membership cards?

Thank you for your time and help.

Also, I understand if some of the information I have asked is not allowed to be answered. If not, there is only one way to find out for sure! coopdevil


Edited by mb_goatis (08/10/09 02:04 AM)
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#391098 - 08/10/09 02:06 AM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: mb_goatis]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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1. No, your basic membership will arrive long before that (usually up to about 16 weeks).

2. You'll have to wait and see.

3. If you lose your card simply contact Central office and they will send you a new one. You don't have to pay for membership again.
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#391099 - 08/10/09 02:09 AM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
mb_goatis Offline


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Thank you so much for the timely response! I greatly appreciate it!


Edited by mb_goatis (08/10/09 02:09 AM)
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#409368 - 01/19/10 01:17 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: mb_goatis]
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Registered: 01/19/10
Posts: 6
Loc: Wisconsin, USA
I am also new here, and curious about membership requirements.

How active must you be to retain a general membership?
(i.e.; can your membership be terminated for low activity?)

If, initially, I just want to become a card-carrying member of the CoS and reserve more serious/involved membership for maybe later on ... do I have to visibly be part of a society to retain membership in that society?

I have been mainly agnostic/atheist during my life,
and wonder if membership in CoS requires verifiable devotion?

I agree with the philosophies of Satanism;
would vote to support them,
but am not at a stage where I would risk acting to defend them.


Edited by Snarf53563 (01/19/10 01:18 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling
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#409369 - 01/19/10 01:20 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Snarf53563]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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>> can your membership be terminated for low activity <<

No. You are not obligated to do anything. Your level of participation is your own choice.
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#409370 - 01/19/10 01:35 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Loc: Wisconsin, USA
great!
thanks for the timely response.

over time, god-fearing religious people have interfered in my life or just irritated me to no end,
so they can thank themselves for coaxing me to seek out the opposition!

meaning: "anti-god" should be added to my agnostic/atheist self-description.

I am a 54 year-old disciple of logic.

*My* impression of Satanism has it respecting logic!

Even though I feel my interest in joining is selfish based in that it allows me to be more openly anti-god,
I feel that anti-god'ishness is an honest representation of my heart and potentially an acceptable foot-in-the-door to a more enlightened society.
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#409373 - 01/19/10 01:40 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Snarf53563]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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>> they can thank themselves for coaxing me to seek out the opposition!
meaning: "anti-god" should be added to my agnostic/atheist self-description <<


You need to shed the residue of religious indoctrination. True opposition, bringing freedom, is indifference.
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#409376 - 01/19/10 01:50 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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I did say "anti-god", not "anti-jesus";
it is not just christianity that I reject.

And ... being against something does not automatically mean I need to be for something else in opposition!
(but I am curious, thus open to the idea)

I don't *need* to be part of a group.
I am my own god.

But, if a group is worthy, I would join them.
(and hope to be worthy of their acceptance)
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#409379 - 01/19/10 02:20 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Snarf53563]
Phineas Offline
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Most Satanists lead private lives, and many of those who are members do not advertise their affiliation with the Church of Satan. And some don't even participate in this message board.

Martyrdom is frowned upon in this here neck of the woods.

Have you taken time to read the essays and information at the COS website? Doing so will clear up many things.
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#409381 - 01/19/10 02:45 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Phineas]
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"Have you taken time to read the essays and information at the COS website? Doing this will clear up many things."

I am *very* new at this stage, and browsing related info on the web is going to take more time;
there is no rhyme to joining an organization if I end up pursuing it in total isolation, I could do just fine on my own without group reinforcement.

Beliefs are propagated by man.

horse racing, as an example, proves the crowd is right only 1/3rd of the time!

Thus "what to believe" is always the mystery to solve.

Although, thanks to man, examples of "what not to believe" are plentiful!
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#409385 - 01/19/10 03:02 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Snarf53563]
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there is no rhyme to joining an organization if I end up pursuing it in total isolation, I could do just fine on my own without group reinforcement.


This statement shows your lack understanding regarding what the Church of Satan is about.

That is why I asked if you had educated yourself before attempting to arrive at any conclusions or decisions.

Membership is not mandatory nor required. Those who decide to take this step do so because they know it is right for them. And, they understand Satanism is not a belief system, nor is the COS an organization that requires group activities and meeting in person, etc.

Again, carefully reading and understanding (not just browsing) the information contained in the COS website, and, above all, The Satanic Bible, is indicated.
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#409389 - 01/19/10 03:26 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Phineas]
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So ... Satanism is what I choose to make of it?

i.e.; it it wrong to let someone else dictate to me what is important in life.

Thus, taking *your* word on faith based solely on your advertised position within the CoS ... would be a mistake on my part?

confusing, since:

"Again, carefully reading and understanding (not just browsing) the information contained in the COS website, and, above all, The Satanic Bible, is indicated."

That statement essentially says that what established Satanists (who came before me) have written is what I need to understand.

I thought this was not about beliefs?

My primary belief in this area is:
god-fearing people are ... wrong (period)

It is only recently that I have embraced the idea of more actively opposing them in more of an official capacity.
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#409396 - 01/19/10 03:39 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Snarf53563]
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Quote:
So ... Satanism is what I choose to make of it?


Satanism is codified within the pages of The Satanic Bible. You need to read and understand that before you ask any further questions.
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#409399 - 01/19/10 03:51 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: LKRice]
Snarf53563 Offline


Registered: 01/19/10
Posts: 6
Loc: Wisconsin, USA
ok then,
thanks for the advice.

I will take my leave and say goodbye for now:

Speaking as an individual ... I am a black hole.
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#412923 - 02/17/10 09:38 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Snarf53563]
Rathj Offline


Registered: 02/17/10
Posts: 3
I happen to be new to this message board also. And indeed have a few questions on membership.

1. With all the scams and missleading people in this world who feed off of trusting people, how do I know that this is what it is and wont end up on a bad note? Turning me away from something that I have started to feel might be a direction Id like to explore?

2. I understand that is isnt the most popular thing out there and only other like minded people feel at home here. But how do we learn who these like minded people are and in turn start to get involved with activities in our area?

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#412943 - 02/18/10 12:17 AM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Rathj]
Phineas Offline
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Several points need to be made.

To begin with, it is best to begin your own thread, rather than piggy back on someone else's.

The Church of Satan website is the official website. There is no other. There you will find directions on how to join.

The website speaks for itself. If, after spending time there you decide that is not sufficient evidence for you, then do not join. It is not required, or asked of you. Joining is a major decision that is not to be taken lightly.

The Church of Satan does not disclose its membership, nor does it put members in touch with each other, especially with non members.

If, through interactions on this message board, or other places you happen to connect with someone in your area that agrees to interact in person with you, that is their choice and yours alone.

There are occasions when The Church of Satan will place members in touch with each other, and this usually involves a project or some other development.

You say you'd like to explore Satanism? Begin by reading The Satanic Bible. Immerse yourself in all the essays on the official website. Read other works by Dr. LaVey and other members.

Educate yourself first, then take it from there.
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#413049 - 02/18/10 04:00 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Phineas]
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First point taken. The only reason I piggy backed on someone elses thread is because with most message boards, they dont like it when you make a new thread to ask a question about something that already has one. Especially when the question being asked fits under one of the general threads already made. Not sure if its a space problem, something to do with organization or just their policies. Next time I will keep this in mind and post my question in a thread creadted by me for my question.

The one question had about learning of members (if and when I become a registered member) in my area was because after reading some the the different stuff on the CoS website I saw the term The Grotto System. One essay said that was an old system used by members that wanted to gather for rituals and other related vensures. But later on said that this was not being used. On another essay it mentioned that term and had the same decription of it but never mentioned it not being used at this time. It was asked more to clearify whitch way it actually was. I understand the privacy part of this all to the fullest, and the card recieved speaks loud enough if the time arises when it will be used.

"You say you'd like to explore Satanism? Begin by reading The Satanic Bible. Immerse yourself in all the essays on the official website. Read other works by Dr. LaVey and other members."

Heres a short reply to this one (since my first one was starting to get long)

Have read the works of Dr. LaVey. A couple times. Ive reflected on his views. Some I get and agree with, some Ive found that I cant completely agree with yet, but still see the logic behind it.

I might of been a little misspoken in the first post. I have explored the concept and philosophies of Satanism. Now I'm trying to understand the Church and people behind it.

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#413061 - 02/18/10 05:05 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Rathj]
Bill_M Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rathj
One essay said that was an old system used by members that wanted to gather for rituals and other related vensures. But later on said that this was not being used. On another essay it mentioned that term and had the same decription of it but never mentioned it not being used at this time. It was asked more to clearify whitch way it actually was.

Just to clarify for yourself and anybody else who might be reading, the grotto system is no being longer used. As it says on the Church of Satan website:

"Over the years, our 'social laboratory' has embraced, disbanded, and revived the use of Grottos as a means by which individuals in geographic proximity form an association for ritualization, socialization, and the pursuit of various projects. We have now phased-out this device once again, since it has become irrelevant in the current existing situation for social interaction facilitated by contemporary means for communication. [...]
With the ubiquity of the Internet and the ease of electronic communication, the Church of Satan has ceased to charter Grotto Masters and we no longer offer the formality of forming Grottos as a mode for our members to socialize or engage in ritual. Our members who wish it now have ample means to find each other and to discover whether they are compatible for social and ritual gathering. Or, as always, they may opt to keep to themselves."

The boldface emphasis is mine. Basically, in this day and age of the internet and message boards such as the one you're reading now, there's no need to set up a grotto. If you're a COS member and you want to get together with other COS members for ritual or some other project, the networking benefits of the internet alleviate the need for setting up an official grotto through central headquarters.

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I have explored the concept and philosophies of Satanism. Now I'm trying to understand the Church and people behind it.

At its simplest, the Church of Satan is the organization that represents the philosophy of Satanism as described in Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible. It's very helpful to have a single organization with qualified people who can represent us in media interviews, legal situations, and what not. The organization also consists of a cabal of members who joined because at the very least, they feel they resonate with that philosophy. So to see what the organization is doing, you look at what the members are doing.
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#413063 - 02/18/10 05:17 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Bill_M]
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Thank you for clearing that up for me. I did read that statement, but could swear I had seen something along those lines somewhere else on the CoS website, that did not imply the same thing. Most likely I misread.

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#413068 - 02/18/10 06:07 PM Re: Questions on basic COS membership. [Re: Rathj]
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You're welcome. It's also possible that you may have read some older articles on the subject, perhaps from an older essay of Anton LaVey's, or an old interview, etc., written back before the policy had changed. In general, the website is the best updated source for information about how the Church of Satan operates. Of course when it comes to the philosophy, everything in The Satanic Bible still applies.
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