#394700 - 09/13/09 08:39 PM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: John Prophet]
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Verszou is correct, what you’re describing is not physics. At best you’re just using physics as an analogy for psychology and social interaction. That's... exactly what I'm doing, yes. If I construed it otherwise, it was not my intention.
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#394713 - 09/14/09 12:12 AM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: Frosty]
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You now select anecdotal stories and subgroups of people and try to pass it off as some convergence of two areas that does not exist. I'll provide scientifically demonstrable evidence for my argument when you can provide scientifically demonstrable evidence against it. Which is akin to creationists saying that since you cannot disprove the existence of god then you must accept that he exists. A good theory should explain all the facts, not just some of them, the ones who are most convenient to you. It should do so in a simpler way than the existing ones. Both your examples, which as Reverend Strongbone pointed out, are interesting observations of human psychology, can also be explained well within that field. So adding claims that physics has anything to do with it just adds complexity that is not needed.
Edited by verszou (09/14/09 11:10 AM) Edit Reason: Spelling misteak
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#394726 - 09/14/09 03:09 AM
Re: English / Off-Topic
[Re: LKRice]
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It probably stems from people saying "woulda" rather than "would have" when speaking. Phonetically, it translates back to "would of" when written.
That's messing with the would of my have too mucho now, it's getting confusing. :P
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#394727 - 09/14/09 03:12 AM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: verszou]
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... or brain surgery  I think this phrase was intentional, it was introduced by Shade (if I remember correctly) in another topic a while back. That's the problem with using inside jokes with outsiders, it doesn't have the same effect.
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#394728 - 09/14/09 03:16 AM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: Frosty]
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Oh I'm familiar with "Bob". I'm as much a member as you really can be.
As much a member as anyone can be, provided they can crack Bob's math problem that is. Does everyone get that when applying for membership with The Church Of Subgenius?
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#394736 - 09/14/09 08:57 AM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: Frosty]
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>> Oh I'm familiar with "Bob". I'm as much a member as you really can be. << Well, what happened to Bob's other pipe? I recall Bob usually had two pipes.  Really though, what happened to Bob's other pipe? What's gone wrong? Did he lose it?
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#394762 - 09/14/09 12:39 PM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: reprobate]
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Both your examples, which as Reverend Strongbone pointed out, are interesting observations of human psychology, can also be explained well within that field. So adding claims that physics has anything to do with it just adds complexity that is not needed. I would argue that separating psychology from physical laws would be adding more complexity, but I don't think this is a topic either of us can definitively prove our cases for here. Really though, what happened to Bob's other pipe? What's gone wrong? Did he lose it? I've read the entire Book of the Subgenius, and "Bob" always had one pipe; I've never seen otherwise.
Edited by Frosty (09/14/09 12:39 PM)
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#394764 - 09/14/09 12:47 PM
Re: Bob "two pipes" Dobbs.
[Re: Frosty]
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>> I've read the entire Book of the Subgenius, and "Bob" always had one pipe; I've never seen otherwise <<
I am afraid it is so.
The Church of SubGenius must have changed the image. In the late eighties / early nineties when I first came across them Bob had two pipes.
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#394769 - 09/14/09 01:31 PM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: Frosty]
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Both your examples, which as Reverend Strongbone pointed out, are interesting observations of human psychology, can also be explained well within that field. So adding claims that physics has anything to do with it just adds complexity that is not needed. I would argue that separating psychology from physical laws would be adding more complexity, but I don't think this is a topic either of us can definitively prove our cases for here. Why not? If you claim to be right about something that contradicts current scientific methods it stands to reason that you should at least provide something more than anecdotal evidence. As was already said earlier in this discussion, the established tradition does not need to disprove new claims, new claims need to prove that they are superior to what has already been established. Flying teapots of spaghetti monsters are not acceptable just beacause somebody claim their existence. I believe this is now argument from ignorance - are you going through the whole list of logical fallacies in order to prove this connection between the laws of physics and psychology?
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#394803 - 09/14/09 09:55 PM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
[Re: Nemo]
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#394810 - 09/14/09 11:06 PM
Re: People Don't Give a Shit about You
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