Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
CoS on alcohol #397312
10/07/09 05:53 AM
10/07/09 05:53 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
Hatred_Incarnate Offline OP
Hatred_Incarnate  Offline OP

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
I was wondering why the Church of Satan has a strict no drug policy, but says alcohol is ok.

Granted there are a lot of drugs way worse for you than simple booze, but I'm not getting why the CoS drew the line at alcohol.
It is a type of drug, and you can still abuse it, be addicted to it, make incredibly poor decisions while under its effects, and be subjected to its ramifications, just like an illicit substance.

I'm hoping for a bit of clarification on this issue.

All responses are appreciated

Hail Satan!


There is no meaning to life, no purpose, no reason for existence, and nothing matters. What better reason for debauchery and indulgence could there be?
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397316
10/07/09 07:24 AM
10/07/09 07:24 AM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 10,793
England
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
CoS Reverend
Drake_Bamboozle  Offline
CoS Reverend

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 10,793
England
The health consequences of what we put into our own bodies are our own lookout.

But drugs are illegal. And we do not condone illegal activity.

It's quite simple.


Human beings are as significant as a cigarette burn in the sun.
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397324
10/07/09 09:32 AM
10/07/09 09:32 AM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 10,146
Hagen von Tronje Offline

CoS Priest
Hagen von Tronje  Offline

CoS Priest

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 10,146
The question has been asked dozens of times in this very forum.

Bottom line is that it is not illegal, and the same rules of "indulgence not compulsion" that apply to everything else likewise apply to alcohol. Irreponsible alcohol abuse is discouraged.


"The devil I'll bring you," answered Hagen. "I have enough to carry with my shield and breastplate; my helm is bright, the sword is in my hand, therefore I bring you naught."
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397339
10/07/09 02:03 PM
10/07/09 02:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354
Phineas Offline
CoS Magister
Phineas  Offline
CoS Magister

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354


"Consensus is the absence of leadership." Margaret Thatcher

"I'm fascinated with how primitive the human mind still is. It can be misdirected so easily." John Gaughan


"Success is uncommon. Therefore, not to be enjoyed by the common man." Cal Stoll
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Phineas] #397396
10/07/09 08:38 PM
10/07/09 08:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
Hatred_Incarnate Offline OP
Hatred_Incarnate  Offline OP

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
From Magistra Nadramia's post on drug use:
...The Satanist will not ruin or poison his or her body, even if it is legal to do so.

The thing about this statement, although I thoroughly agree with it, is where does one draw the line about what is and is not harmful?
There have been studies where alcohol has proven to be worse for you then marijuana. Like as this one:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-23-drug-study_N.htm

Now I'm not questioning the Church's stance on drugs, nor do I disagree with it. I guess what I'm looking for is, even though marijuana's been proven less harmful than alcohol and other legal drugs, such as tobacco, why the Church still says its against the rules. Is it because its illegal in America? Or is there something more that I'm simply not seeing?


There is no meaning to life, no purpose, no reason for existence, and nothing matters. What better reason for debauchery and indulgence could there be?
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397405
10/07/09 09:41 PM
10/07/09 09:41 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,417
MagisterRose Offline
CoS Magister
MagisterRose  Offline
CoS Magister

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,417
Quote:
Is it because its illegal in America?


Yes. We do not advocate violations of the law. How difficult is this concept to fathom?


Empty heads babble the most.

The good die young... because they see it's no use living if you've got to be good.
John Barrymore

PAPERBACK INFERNALIA
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: MagisterRose] #397406
10/07/09 09:44 PM
10/07/09 09:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354
Phineas Offline
CoS Magister
Phineas  Offline
CoS Magister

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354
Very difficult if you are drunk or high....


"Consensus is the absence of leadership." Margaret Thatcher

"I'm fascinated with how primitive the human mind still is. It can be misdirected so easily." John Gaughan


"Success is uncommon. Therefore, not to be enjoyed by the common man." Cal Stoll
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: MagisterRose] #397407
10/07/09 09:45 PM
10/07/09 09:45 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
Hatred_Incarnate Offline OP
Hatred_Incarnate  Offline OP

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
Im referring to other countries where it is legal.

And by 'is it because its illegal in America' I meant because its illegal where the Church was formed, it is viewed as illegal in the rest of the world as well?


There is no meaning to life, no purpose, no reason for existence, and nothing matters. What better reason for debauchery and indulgence could there be?
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397410
10/07/09 09:52 PM
10/07/09 09:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354
Phineas Offline
CoS Magister
Phineas  Offline
CoS Magister

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354
It is legal where it is legal, it is not where it is not.


"Consensus is the absence of leadership." Margaret Thatcher

"I'm fascinated with how primitive the human mind still is. It can be misdirected so easily." John Gaughan


"Success is uncommon. Therefore, not to be enjoyed by the common man." Cal Stoll
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Phineas] #397411
10/07/09 09:52 PM
10/07/09 09:52 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
Hatred_Incarnate Offline OP
Hatred_Incarnate  Offline OP

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 140
Im neither, nor have I ever been, nor do I intend to ever be high and/or drunk. Im only concerned with other countries where these drugs are legal. Why is the Churches stance on drugs in countries where it is legal to get high and what not still no?

I fully understand why the Church frowns upon illegal activities, and that use of marijuana and what have you are illegal in America. I also agree that getting high is a bad idea, as well as drinking alcohol in any real amount is too. I also think using tobacco at all is a bad idea due to the possible health concerns. And furthermore I understand that limited and controlled use of both of these substances pose very little risk for any negative consequence, but I still dont like the idea.

What this ultimately comes down to is my curiosity on the matter.
I'm not questioning the Church in its policy on drug use, I just want to know why it is the way it is.


There is no meaning to life, no purpose, no reason for existence, and nothing matters. What better reason for debauchery and indulgence could there be?
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397415
10/07/09 10:21 PM
10/07/09 10:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354
Phineas Offline
CoS Magister
Phineas  Offline
CoS Magister

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,354
Your answer has already been provided.

Re-read Magistra Nadramias post, that should settle it for you.


"Consensus is the absence of leadership." Margaret Thatcher

"I'm fascinated with how primitive the human mind still is. It can be misdirected so easily." John Gaughan


"Success is uncommon. Therefore, not to be enjoyed by the common man." Cal Stoll
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397416
10/07/09 10:28 PM
10/07/09 10:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 10,793
England
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
CoS Reverend
Drake_Bamboozle  Offline
CoS Reverend

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 10,793
England
>> Im referring to other countries where it is legal.
And by 'is it because its illegal in America' I meant because its illegal where the Church was formed, it is viewed as illegal in the rest of the world as well? <<


We expect all our members to comprehend and adhere to the laws of the country they reside in.

As has already been asked of you now (several times): just how fucking difficult can this be to understand?


Human beings are as significant as a cigarette burn in the sun.
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate] #397419
10/07/09 10:36 PM
10/07/09 10:36 PM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 10,146
Hagen von Tronje Offline

CoS Priest
Hagen von Tronje  Offline

CoS Priest

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 10,146
Holy shit. Was this really so difficult?

The CoS does not permit violations of local laws anywhere in the world. If you dislike the local laws where you live, get the fuck out of there. For those currently living under truly oppressive governments where it is difficult to escape, you have our collective sympathies and best wishes getting somewhere that permits you to live as a civilized human being.

The CoS likewise STRONGLY suggests that you employ wisdom and moderation in anything - in context of what it is. Moderate alcohol use by a responsible adult has no particular ill effects. "Moderate" use of cocaine and paint huffing on the other hand is probably ill advised regardless of legality where you live.

Seriously, how fucking hard can this be? Don't break the law, and don't be a moron. That's the CoS's stance.


"The devil I'll bring you," answered Hagen. "I have enough to carry with my shield and breastplate; my helm is bright, the sword is in my hand, therefore I bring you naught."
Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hagen von Tronje] #397422
10/07/09 10:44 PM
10/07/09 10:44 PM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,460
Florida, U.S.A.
Svengali Offline
CoS Magister
Svengali  Offline
CoS Magister

Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,460
Florida, U.S.A.
Originally Posted By: Hagen von Tronje
don't be a moron.


Too late!


Live and Let Die.
"If I have to choose between defending the wolf or the dog, I choose the wolf, especially when he is bleeding." -- Jaques Verges
"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
A membership ticket in this party does not confer genius on the holder. -- Benito Mussolini
MY BOOK: ESSAYS IN SATANISM | MY BLOG: COSMODROMIUM | Deep Satanism Blog

Forum Statistics
Forums59
Topics43,721
Posts401,398
Members13,380
Most Online227
Sep 17th, 2018
Advertisements

hold
Page Time: 0.018s Queries: 14 (0.007s) Memory: 3.8835 MB (Peak: 4.2381 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-11-15 22:56:50 UTC