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#397312 - 10/07/09 12:53 AM CoS on alcohol
Hatred_Incarnate Offline


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I was wondering why the Church of Satan has a strict no drug policy, but says alcohol is ok.

Granted there are a lot of drugs way worse for you than simple booze, but I'm not getting why the CoS drew the line at alcohol.
It is a type of drug, and you can still abuse it, be addicted to it, make incredibly poor decisions while under its effects, and be subjected to its ramifications, just like an illicit substance.

I'm hoping for a bit of clarification on this issue.

All responses are appreciated

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#397316 - 10/07/09 02:24 AM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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The health consequences of what we put into our own bodies are our own lookout.

But drugs are illegal. And we do not condone illegal activity.

It's quite simple.
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#397324 - 10/07/09 04:32 AM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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The question has been asked dozens of times in this very forum.

Bottom line is that it is not illegal, and the same rules of "indulgence not compulsion" that apply to everything else likewise apply to alcohol. Irreponsible alcohol abuse is discouraged.
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#397339 - 10/07/09 09:03 AM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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#397396 - 10/07/09 03:38 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Phineas]
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From Magistra Nadramia's post on drug use:
...The Satanist will not ruin or poison his or her body, even if it is legal to do so.

The thing about this statement, although I thoroughly agree with it, is where does one draw the line about what is and is not harmful?
There have been studies where alcohol has proven to be worse for you then marijuana. Like as this one:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-23-drug-study_N.htm

Now I'm not questioning the Church's stance on drugs, nor do I disagree with it. I guess what I'm looking for is, even though marijuana's been proven less harmful than alcohol and other legal drugs, such as tobacco, why the Church still says its against the rules. Is it because its illegal in America? Or is there something more that I'm simply not seeing?
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#397405 - 10/07/09 04:41 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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Quote:
Is it because its illegal in America?


Yes. We do not advocate violations of the law. How difficult is this concept to fathom?
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#397406 - 10/07/09 04:44 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: MagisterRose]
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Very difficult if you are drunk or high....
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#397407 - 10/07/09 04:45 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: MagisterRose]
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Im referring to other countries where it is legal.

And by 'is it because its illegal in America' I meant because its illegal where the Church was formed, it is viewed as illegal in the rest of the world as well?
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#397410 - 10/07/09 04:52 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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It is legal where it is legal, it is not where it is not.
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#397411 - 10/07/09 04:52 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Phineas]
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Im neither, nor have I ever been, nor do I intend to ever be high and/or drunk. Im only concerned with other countries where these drugs are legal. Why is the Churches stance on drugs in countries where it is legal to get high and what not still no?

I fully understand why the Church frowns upon illegal activities, and that use of marijuana and what have you are illegal in America. I also agree that getting high is a bad idea, as well as drinking alcohol in any real amount is too. I also think using tobacco at all is a bad idea due to the possible health concerns. And furthermore I understand that limited and controlled use of both of these substances pose very little risk for any negative consequence, but I still dont like the idea.

What this ultimately comes down to is my curiosity on the matter.
I'm not questioning the Church in its policy on drug use, I just want to know why it is the way it is.
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#397415 - 10/07/09 05:21 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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Your answer has already been provided.

Re-read Magistra Nadramias post, that should settle it for you.
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#397416 - 10/07/09 05:28 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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>> Im referring to other countries where it is legal.
And by 'is it because its illegal in America' I meant because its illegal where the Church was formed, it is viewed as illegal in the rest of the world as well? <<


We expect all our members to comprehend and adhere to the laws of the country they reside in.

As has already been asked of you now (several times): just how fucking difficult can this be to understand?
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#397419 - 10/07/09 05:36 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hatred_Incarnate]
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Holy shit. Was this really so difficult?

The CoS does not permit violations of local laws anywhere in the world. If you dislike the local laws where you live, get the fuck out of there. For those currently living under truly oppressive governments where it is difficult to escape, you have our collective sympathies and best wishes getting somewhere that permits you to live as a civilized human being.

The CoS likewise STRONGLY suggests that you employ wisdom and moderation in anything - in context of what it is. Moderate alcohol use by a responsible adult has no particular ill effects. "Moderate" use of cocaine and paint huffing on the other hand is probably ill advised regardless of legality where you live.

Seriously, how fucking hard can this be? Don't break the law, and don't be a moron. That's the CoS's stance.
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#397422 - 10/07/09 05:44 PM Re: CoS on alcohol [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Originally Posted By: Hagen von Tronje
don't be a moron.


Too late!
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