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#400124 - 10/30/09 01:03 AM LaVey Synthesizer.
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Good evening everyone.

Recently I have been doing research on Forensic investigation since that is what I will be going to school for. I have a theory in development which involves utilizing the LaVey Synthesizer Clock as a tool for helping create criminal profiles. I am not aware if this has ever been done before and if it has it most likely would be kept private. So I am curious to know what your thoughts are on this.

An example: 12 o' clock is aggressive and dominating so their murders could be incredibly brutal and gruesome.

A 3 o' clock is more so of an intellect so their crimes would be much more thought out as opposed to acting upon impusle.



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#400130 - 10/30/09 01:51 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Unknown]
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Hmm, I never thought of applying it to criminal profiling, but it may just work. Though personally, I would suspect a 12 o'clock criminal as the kind who'd hire a 6 o'clock to carry out the crime.
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#400132 - 10/30/09 02:29 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Bill_M]
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Originally Posted By: Bill_M
Hmm, I never thought of applying it to criminal profiling, but it may just work. Though personally, I would suspect a 12 o'clock criminal as the kind who'd hire a 6 o'clock to carry out the crime.


Dunno about that.

I wouldn't classify Charles Manson as a 12 o Clock.

Personally, I'd say a person on the more intellectual side of the clock wold hire a 12.
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#400133 - 10/30/09 02:38 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Bill_M]
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That's possible considering the 6 o' clock is more of the submissive type. I suppose when you consider the physical tributes that make up the 12 o' clock (wide shoulders, tall, etc.) you get a very strong physical figure in your head. So over powering a victim would be much easier and contain a brutal force not seen as if say a 6 o' clock did it.

I'd say a 6 o' clock would be someone who'd most likely kill someone in their sleep. There may be less blood at the crime scene since they wouldn't have the physique to use brute force.

Again just tossing a few ideas around. I will have to make time to study past criminal cases and compare them to the LaVey Synthesizer Clock.
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#400134 - 10/30/09 02:43 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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I personally think this makes much more sense. It'd be interesting to review past cases and see where criminals/killers fall under.

Not to mention some have anti-social and personality disorders which could make it tricky.
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#400135 - 10/30/09 02:44 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Dunno about that.

I wouldn't classify Charles Manson as a 12 o Clock.

Personally, I'd say a person on the more intellectual side of the clock wold hire a 12.


That makes a lot of sense to me. From what I've seen and heard of Mr. Charlie I'd place him around 4:30. While I highly doubt the LaVey Synthesizer Clock will ever be used as an integral part in a police investigation, I have no doubt Satanic cops have used it privately to make important deductions.
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#400136 - 10/30/09 02:52 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Unknown]
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Not to mention some have anti-social and personality disorders which could make it tricky.


The fact that one would be dealing with mental cases would certainly add another dimension to using the clock.

But I suppose the question would be: are there specific disorders relatable to clock positions?

Or, would the mental issues nullify any pre-disopositions? For instance, how could you apply the clock to someone who is simply not self-aware?
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#400138 - 10/30/09 03:01 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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All very good questions Reverend. Questions I wish I had the answers for. I need to do more research but your questions are now my questions as well.
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#400140 - 10/30/09 03:08 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Unknown]
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All very good questions Reverend. Questions I wish I had the answers for. I need to do more research but your questions are now my questions as well.


Yes, you have, in fact, posed a very interesting question. But we must remember there is not only the criminaly insane - that may well prove to be a separate issue.

There is also the calculated and aware crimnal. I think the clock would be a very applicable tool under these conditions.
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#400147 - 10/30/09 04:01 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Unknown]
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Originally Posted By: Unknown
A 3 o' clock is more so of an intellect so their crimes would be much more thought out as opposed to acting upon impusle.


One thing I’d like to point out is that, although 3 o' clocks might be more “head” oriented in their approach (as opposed to people on the left side of the clock who are “heart” oriented); that doesn't necessarily mean that they are actually more intelligent than people on one left side of the clock.

The LaVey Synthesizer Clock can tell you about people’s attitudes and general approach to things, but not necessarily how intelligent the individual is. If you’re talking about criminal “masterminds” we must remember that it is entirely possible for a 6 o' clock person to be just as, if not more intelligent than a 3 o' clock person.

But in general you’re probably right, and I’d also like to add that individuals on the left side of the clock may be more pre disposed to crimes of passion than people on the right.
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#400153 - 10/30/09 04:43 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Unknown]
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You may be interested in something called anthropological criminology (related to physiognomy), a "field of offender profiling, based on perceived links between the nature of a crime and the personality or physical appearance of the offender" (Wiki's description). This seems very similar to the Synthesizer clock in the way it categorizes.

Aside from Cesare Lombroso (the main guy associated with the study of the connection between appearances and crime) I'd also look up Alphonse Bertillon, the fella credited with creating the mugshot ID system.

I don't agree with Lombroso's characterization of "inferior" when it comes to certain physical features but I do think he was on to something. Not a very politically correct field but weirdly accurate.

Very interesting topic!
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#400191 - 10/30/09 11:41 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Unknown]
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I think the air types would tend to use sneakier means--like poison--or more creative ones (or at least, they would have a more creative or intellectual rationale), or would actually be the types to hire out the 12:00.

Earth types? They'd tend to be practical or down-to-earth with regards to both their means and their rationales.

Water types? Crimes of passion, arising from feelings of hurt, jealousy, or betrayal.

Fire types? Violent crimes, often arising from feelings of anger, hatred, or embarrassment.

I'm just spontaneously tossing ideas out, so take it all with a grain of salt for the moment smile.

I agree that it might be quite worthwhile to explore whether certain clock positions might be associated with certain, say, mental illnesses.
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#400192 - 10/30/09 11:50 AM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Shade]
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What may also complicate matters is that with people who are timid in normal life (the ones you would place on the 6 o'clock) you shouldn't expect them to be incapable of brutal murder.
One thing I find interesting is the scale of evil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_of_evil
Those who are deemed least 'evil' are the ones who kill in self-defense and do not have psychopathic tendencies, and the most extreme, most 'evil' are ones who rejoice in torture.
Would 12 o'clocks be the ones more likely to engage in torture as opposed to 6 o'clocks? I don't really know. As the saying goes "It's the quiet ones you need to watch out for" I am not certain how well you can predict the kinds of murders one would commit from how they act in normal life.
From what I remember from the show "Most Evil" I think that the killers who were profiled and labelled a 22, most evil, it didn't appear to me that they would be 12 oclocks.
I do think that this is an interesting field of investigation.

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#400229 - 10/30/09 06:29 PM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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But I suppose the question would be: are there specific disorders relatable to clock positions?


I've considered this, particularly when dealing with folks with personality disorders. According to the DSM-IV-TR, disorders such as antisocial, histrionic, and narcissistic personality disorders involve some rather exaggerated 12 o-clockish behaviors.

Think Richard Kuklinski.

It would be interesting if there were a correlation between Clock Types and certain disorders, but really, we're already dealing with some pretty ambiguous subject matter talking about the nature of mental disorders alone, with all the overlap of symptoms and such.



Edited by JEHJr (10/30/09 06:45 PM)
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#400231 - 10/30/09 06:37 PM Re: LaVey Synthesizer. [Re: TrojZyr]
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Originally Posted By: TrojZyr
I think the air types would tend to use sneakier means--like poison--or more creative ones (or at least, they would have a more creative or intellectual rationale), or would actually be the types to hire out the 12:00.

Earth types? They'd tend to be practical or down-to-earth with regards to both their means and their rationales.

Water types? Crimes of passion, arising from feelings of hurt, jealousy, or betrayal.

Fire types? Violent crimes, often arising from feelings of anger, hatred, or embarrassment.

I'm just spontaneously tossing ideas out, so take it all with a grain of salt for the moment smile.

I agree that it might be quite worthwhile to explore whether certain clock positions might be associated with certain, say, mental illnesses.


Another thing worth considering is the possibility that certain individual’s criminal activities could very well be an expression of their demonic.
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