#402129 - 11/16/09 03:14 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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I think of atheism as the end of a search; and, Satanism as the beginning.
Poetry.
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#402131 - 11/16/09 03:42 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: FEISARSUX]
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To be frank,I feel science is the ultimate entity.The laws of science cannot be broken.Why turn to Satanism,when there is science? Geez, where to begin? First of all, as others have pointed out, it's stupid to expect this to be an "either-or" thing. There are already Satanists who are also professional scientists. Obviously, they have no problem distinguishing their chosen philosophy from what they do at the lab. Why do you? Second of all, the term "atheism" means nothing more than "No belief in deity". Just because somebody does not believe in deity, doesn't automatically mean that the person has to embrace science. Look at the Raelian Movement, for example. More importantly, science is not a set of infallible laws. It is a means of understanding the world via empirical evidence and the scientific method. In fact, to treat it as dogma like you do is hypocritically unscientific, because one of the great things about science is that it's self-correcting; it will refine or replace its laws when new evidence comes along and new hypotheses are tested. If logic conflicts with reality, then reality wins. This also means that science is simply not designed to find answers that have too many subjective parameters. Satanism realizes this, and also realizes why humans invent and make use of symbolism and ritual. But instead of just ignorantly throwing it away, we incorporate it.
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#402162 - 11/16/09 06:41 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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I think of atheism as the end of a search; and, Satanism as the beginning. I absolutely agree with your sentiment.  Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that, for many of us, the search started with atheism and ended when we found Satanism? But I guess that's not quite it either... Satanism is a search in its own. 'guess I'm no poet...
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#402267 - 11/17/09 12:42 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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To be frank,I feel science is the ultimate entity.The laws of science cannot be broken.Why turn to Satanism,when there is science? Satanism isn't for everyone. We do not expect it to be. For those that it does not suit there are other avenues of exploration in life; of which, science is one. I would point out however, that the human psyche requires both fact and fantasy to function correctly. From a psychological perspective Satanism is the only religion that accepts the fantastical side of the human mind and consciously utilises it as a tool through the application of something known as suspension of disbelief, as opposed to confusing such fantasies with reality. Absolutely!!
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#402399 - 11/18/09 09:02 AM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: FEISARSUX]
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To be frank,I feel science is the ultimate entity.The laws of science cannot be broken.Why turn to Satanism,when there is science? The laws of science are indefinate and are based on theory and observations. I thought i'd like to correct you as this statement you made "The laws of science cannot be broken" is not Plausible. Any Physics/Chemistry based scientist would know this.
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#402421 - 11/18/09 12:09 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: Iscariot]
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To say something is a scientific law just seems to be setting ones self up for failure in the future. (especially if one claims that the laws of science are "unbreakable.")
This may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law.Especially important is the final sentence: " Laws can become obsolete if they are found in contradiction with new data, as with Bode's law or the biogenetic law."
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#402451 - 11/18/09 04:05 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: Bill_M]
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Amusingly what came to mind was Gould's concept of non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA). I actually side more with Dawkins's criticism of the same (in point of fact I disagree with Gould on a great many things, most of which have nothing to do with Satanism) - that for most religions, they are not non-overlapping at all, and that the insistence of physical influence such as miracles make it a null concept, but in the case of Satanism I can see it as applicable.
Science is inquiry into what is real. It's subject to change at any time giving sufficient evidence.
Satanism is a statement of outlook. It is not subject to change, not because it is the infallible word of god, but because it is a defined philosophy that is not dependent on physical phenomena.
No overlap, no conflict, and really not even sharing the same purpose at all. Scientists regularly point out that it is not the duty of science to discover the meaning of life or answer philosophical questions - though that role has lately been attributed to it simply because for the last century or so, scientific discoveries have both nullified or challenged a great many old beliefs, and because science itself brings up a great number of ethical and philosophical questions.
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#402470 - 11/18/09 05:44 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
[Re: Unknown]
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Nietszche likened the Christian faith to "lying oneself out of reality."
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#402486 - 11/18/09 08:29 PM
Re: Why not just turn to science if you are an atheist?
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Because science is more so of a tool and Satanism is a religion and a philosophy. Science studies the world and Satanism is the application of the world. It has been said that "Satanism demands study and not worship" but that is not the end of it. Satanism is about the application of that which you have studied in the real world context. Well... You got everything else right except that Satanism IS a tool and not just a religion and a philosophy. I think that he claimed it as a "tool" to explain that Satanism is used to apply a meaning to one's own existence. So Satanism is a tool for our members to get the most out of life.
I shall give reference: (watch from 1:35 minutes in the video and you'll notice his quote along with his reasoning just before that quote.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgr29Pq2co
Edited by LordOfDarkness (11/18/09 08:43 PM) Edit Reason: Added text
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