From what I've noticed, the number of men who sincerely think they can "change" a lesbian is actually very small.

For me, watching "lesbian" porn never worked because there is no point of reference. I don't have a pussy. And in general, the dead giveaway that the actresses are fake lesbians is whether or not they have long fingernails.

I've realized that he would have written his works near the beginning of the Women's Movement, so he may have experienced a much more militant type of Feminism than what I have studied.

Bingo.

Then again, it CAN happen....

Some guys seem to like it when a woman professes herself to be a lesbian. Personally, I would much rather hear that the guy next to me is gay. If a woman is a lesbian, that's one less potential girlfriend. If a guy is gay, it's less competition for me.

While it's being discussed, I'd like to interject with a question regarding The Satanic Witch. I understand it's mostly tips and tricks for women; is there advice for Lesser Magic in it that could apply to men? I'm not very good at manipulating people, so I was wondering if TSW would be worth the read for me. Currently, I seem to present an image to people without even realizing it - the image being one of a very cold, stoic, and emotionless type, which, as far as I know, is not very conducive to persuasion.

I'm currently reading TSW and the core principles can be applied to males as well. Granted it is for women, but you can still learn a lot from it.

It can most certainly be applied to men. How you apply its principles depends on the given situation, and your own tastes, limitations, etc.

At the end of the day, it's all about knowing what you want and knowing how to get it. TSW is an excellent guideline for how, and it should not be mistaken as being "just for women".

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From what I've noticed, the number of men who sincerely think they can "change" a lesbian is actually very small.

For me, watching "lesbian" porn never worked because there is no point of reference. I don't have a pussy. And in general, the dead giveaway that the actresses are fake lesbians is whether or not they have long fingernails. [/quote]

The thing is that some women say that they are lesbian but are really bi, this is due to the constant hitting on that they get from some men.

I know what you mean about the fingernails, as they like to keep them rather short for obvious reasons.

Although in one sense I understand your...reluctance, it is exactly as you say, a mere obstacle. What's worth more, his smugness or your personal profit? Besides, it doesn't necessarily have to be a predatory relationship. It's entirely possible for it to be the case (in some cases, not all) that he's aware you're a lesbian, does not realistically think he will bed you, but entertains the fantasy which you feed by being feminine. After all, for better or worse I "do the man thing" and help women without any expectation or hope of eventually fucking them. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they did decide to "pay me back" porn movie style but it's not something I hope for.

Also, yes. When Dr. LaVey wrote the bulk of his work prominent feminists of the time were of the ilk of Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon. What they propose was so bizarrely out there that, despite Satanism's apolitical stance, it would be rather difficult to even resolve their philosophies with Satanism at all.

On a less extreme note, feminism of the 60s and 70s decidedly featured a hell of a lot of women looking like men and bra burnings. The after effects of that are still around, and it still isn't very pretty (I made a funny!).

PS - I'm familiar with some of the more "liberal" feminist ideas that are gaining popularity today. Besides still not much caring for the name "feminism" I largely agree with and support many of the ideas, and think if feminism had started there rather than endure the bullshit of earlier decades we'd be considerably better off.

Thank you. My past experiences have fed into my reluctance, including the one I mentioned in my original post, but thank you everyone for giving me a new perspective on it.




I don't know, I still find gender fluidity in a woman extremely sexy, but that's just my opinion, heh.

Meh, it's like Satanism getting associated with Devil Worshipping. It's not your philosophy, but it happens a lot.

If there's one lesson to be taken away from The Satanic Witch it is that clinging to an ideal or some belief in loyalty to a "cause" should be discarded for personal gain. In fact, not only should it not bother you, but you can delight in it.

Dr. LaVey wrote in several contexts that he enjoyed seeing people profit by discarding expected norms, and doubly enjoyed the protests of "that's not fair!" So? The whole idea of Satanism is to get ahead of the game, to circumvent fairness and rules for selfishness.

As a relevant example, consider a woman who not only got a job but got promoted to a position of authority, not based on qualifications, but because she played up the boss and got hired on looks. To many, this is wrong and disgusting. It's unfair to other employees, and if you ask some folks, unfair to her for being treated as a sex object. But who is getting the salary, and who is going without the job? The ends justify the means, and cheers to her for using what she had to get what she wants.

It does not simply apply to women and inter-sexual relations of course. It's just one of the most common and most complex examples, and one that a great deal of the population can easily exploit for personal gain. It is not our duty to evaluate the "fairness" of it all, not ours to ask why, or to wish for some better world where everything was equal...it is ours to take.

It is not our duty to evaluate the "fairness" of it all, not ours to ask why, or to wish for some better world where everything was equal...it is ours to take.

A little addition to this, if I may.

Another PC phrase that is laughable, used by many, is the concept of a "level playing field".

Life is not fair, the field is not fair, it is survival of the fittest all the way. The field will never be level, no matter who tries to do what about it.

The achievers, the productive, don't sit around and whine about it, don't wait for someone to do something about it, they just go ahead and use their skills and talents to work with what they've got to get ahead.

I very much agree.

If she is really good, she'll also know enough not to flaunt it too openly, because once you're in a position of authority you also need the people below to be pushing you higher. And while you can deal with a lone envious backstabber, a whole department of them won't get you further.

I guess that's stratification among users of lesser magic

Pretty much ANY woman would be wise to use her feminine mystique to her advantage; straight, gay, bi, whatever. The wise woman will find this will, on the one hand, only get her so far; and, on the other, give her that extra edge. I am constantly telling my wife to prepare her ass off for company inspections, and then make sure she keeps the top two blouse buttons open. It works like a charm. As for being a lesbian; lesbians are common male fetishes. There is no need to try to figure out why. Just use it to your advantage, with all the wisdom your experiences give you. Personally, I have enjoyed the times such women have used their wiles on me.

As for your concern about your safety, learn self-defense, carry protection, and buy mace. That is something everyone needs to be concerned about, not just women. Anyone can become a target. You may also want to think about how far you can use flirtation. There are some women I can go to great lengths with, and others I know even saying hello can hit their obsession switch.

A little off subject, but as the conversation has moved to how you can use your sexuality as a lesbian I thought I would provide you with a trap to avoid. It may never happen, as you are a Satanist and not a norm, but effeminate men like me are out there to use homosexual women to our advantage as well!

If indeed you follow advice given and use your sexuality to get to a position of power, beware of the man that pretends to be homosexual to rise to the top with you! This is what I have done in one situation and went from peon to right hand man.

That is true. For me, it was more of a matter of pride than fighting a cause, like I refused to be seen as weak. But then I guess, as NapalmNick mentioned ealier, even perceived weakness can be acceptable if I'm the one ultimately in control and it benefits me in the end.



Oh yes, I'm still learning about that. I have been foolish enough to entice a stalker or two in my younger years.