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#40558 - 05/19/04 11:31 AM a new forum
GloryS9 Offline
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I am wondering if there could be a forum for poetry and writings in the lower regions, just for COS members.
This request is in regards to people who have had their poetry, etc., stolen and used on other sites of the internet, sometimes with very negative consequences.
I dont really know if this action would hinder the above situations, but I do think it would be a very good idea. Personally, I have some poetry that I want to post, but do not want it to be stolen, or worse.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to put it down south, or have a forum of our own.

Glory
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#40559 - 05/19/04 04:03 PM Re: a new forum [Re: GloryS9]
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Although I'm not down in the depths; I think this is a great idea. Even though the likelihood of me posting any poetry either in the new COS only forum or up in the general area is very remote. My artistic talents lay elsewhere. . Tatting, embroidery and crochet to be precise.
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#40560 - 05/19/04 04:37 PM Re: a new forum [Re: GloryS9]
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Well, I like the idea. Most of the member's art of various types is wasted on the yellows anyway.
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#40561 - 05/19/04 05:41 PM Re: a new forum [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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The poetry that goes down well in that forum does tend to be of the "Dark is my bleeding, tortured soul, damnation will cry tears of hatred down on me for all eternity, I am a vampire werewolf daemon from the 69th level of the abyss, hear me howl in anguish" variety. Bad bad BAD poetry is one of the chief curses of the internet. I only save my own reputation due to having a rather ironic face.

I third the motion.

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#40562 - 05/19/04 06:25 PM Re: a new forum [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Quote:

Most of the member's art of various types is wasted on the yellows anyway



I resent that remark.

We just need to ridicule the dopey teenagers that subject us to their angst. However, I do agree that something should be done about plagiarism. Perhaps you could copyright a poem before posting it.
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#40563 - 05/19/04 09:16 PM Re: a new forum [Re: GloryS9]
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I'll have to agree with Aslag on this.

Maybe a post should be made by the Moderators or Administrators regarding copyrights. "All material written or drawn is property of the author/artist and may not be reproduced without written permission, etc., etc.."

I'd hate to see the public area completely stripped of worth by moving all forums south to avoid the leeches.
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#40564 - 05/19/04 10:41 PM Re: a new forum [Re: Aslag]
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I don’t think it would make much of a difference. Just because someone has paid the CoS to become a member doesn’t mean they wont steal your poem and it definitely doesn’t mean they are anymore of a Satanist then those who are not official CoS members. That’s kind of like assuming that ‘most black people are like this’ or ‘most English people are like that’. If it’s really that important to you don’t post it or get a copyright. With all sincerity I do sympathies with you. It is unfortunate that this happens.

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#40565 - 05/20/04 02:05 AM Re: a new forum [Re: Aslag]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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You may resent the remark as much as you like, Mr.Aslag.

Any poetry I have posted there has always first been published in print magazines and its copyright beyond question.

Theft can occur regardless and it can happen anywhere. It's happened to me before and not because of LttD.

But I understand why others might be more concerned about posting unpublished poetry.

The quality of poems in that forum is 95% poor. I would prefer to read some of the members poems. As with all the other forums, discounting the odd idiot or two (hmm, ok, three or four) who have slipped through the net, member's posts do tend to be of better quality.
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#40566 - 05/20/04 02:14 AM Re: a new forum [Re: Eric_Flu]
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>>I don’t think it would make much of a difference. Just because someone has paid the CoS to become a member doesn’t mean they wont steal your poem<<

It is unlikely that fellow CoS members will shit on each other in such a manner. Even though we cannot all be expected to get along there is a greater amount of respect for each other.

Furthermore, it isn't to suggest that one of the yellows will "steal" the poem. It's just that the forum is open to public viewing. The exposure creates that possibilty.

Also, some members like to keep certain things amongst us. I have other artistic talents which have only been made known for the enjoyment and possible benefit of other CoS members.

Whatever "outsiders" views are, the fact remains - we are a cabal. And membership does have its benefits.

Anyway, you're pretty well known around here now. Stump up your $100/200 you tight fisted bastard and join us down below
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#40567 - 05/20/04 07:12 AM Its not possible [Re: Wonka]
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for everyone to get copyrights on their poetry. We are sharing our works, with due honor towards each other. Also, I didn't suggest that the poetry and writings forum be moved completely, but only that we have one in the lower regions for COS members to display our best, that's all!

Glory
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#40568 - 05/20/04 07:20 AM Re: a new forum [Re: Aslag]
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Having to copyright something in order to post it on the board created for the elite, is not very palatable is it? Spending 200 dollars for a poem to be copyrighted just so you can display it, is like posting around the idiotic herd, noy the honorable elite who respect each other for their worth.

Glory
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#40569 - 05/20/04 07:43 AM Re: Its not possible [Re: GloryS9]
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I didn't say everyone should register their work, but I'll go along with it.

Copyright Basics

You already have a copyright on your work, but you can't enforce them without registering with the government.

With a post from the Moderators or Administrators regarding it being your sole property and cannot be reproduced, that might work as a contract. "By reading any posts in this forum, you agree to the following..."

Now, I'm not very knowledgeable about the law, so anyone with more experience please correct me.


If the Member's section has it's own poetry forum, what are the chances a Member will post a piece in the public forum?

My words were too strong, though. Sorry for that.
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#40570 - 05/20/04 07:46 AM Re: a new forum [Re: GloryS9]
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From the same web site, registering a copyright is currently 30 USD but the real pain-in-the-ass is the eight month wait.
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#40571 - 05/20/04 09:13 AM Re: Its not possible [Re: Wonka]
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I apologize also for not seeing the whole idea of what you meant! Nothing can stop leeches, though. Respect is found among the elite, because of their own worth, so they have no need to steal. I do feel that poetry and writings, for COS members, should be in the lower regions. After all, poetry and essays can be published, and are an elite talent.
The original forum could remain for those who are not members, and kept in its present form! Those who want to become COS members, can prove themselves, and go to the nether regions, for more powerful company. Why not?!
Glory
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#40572 - 05/20/04 09:14 AM Re: a new forum [Re: GloryS9]
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Just certify mail yourself any document you wish to copyright. Make sure it is certified and all documents within the parcel are considered copyright under U.S. law. I was told this by a postal worker and a lawyer, so I think it is accurate.
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#40573 - 05/20/04 09:23 AM Re: a new forum [Re: Wonka]
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Thanks for the information! I have copyright laws, etc., from the government (books!) and saw the other price. The facts remain, though, that in the lower regions, there could be a more elite forum where we could really engage in powerful works.
It is also true that the copyright of a poem, writing etc., doesnt make any difference to most leeches. Then, there is the theft compounded with other negative repercussions which happen because of the theft. There is no honor among thieves and other herd types.

Glory
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#40574 - 05/20/04 09:36 AM Re: Its not possible [Re: GloryS9]
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I'd have to say that I don't like the idea of having a poetry/prose forum down below. I don't really want to be robbed of reading the great poetry of COS members. I stopped posting my poetry, because it did seem too angsty and whinny to me. I feel that my "talent" wasn't up to snuff. I wanted to hear (or rather...read) critiques about my poetry, good or bad; but I hardly ever received any responses. I read COS members poetry, especially Mullah_UVRAY's works, and thought that this is obviously more of what this forum is looking for. I have a whole book of poetry that will probably never see the light of day, because of this; but please don't rob me of being able to read COS member poetry.
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#40575 - 05/20/04 09:45 AM Re: a new forum [Re: Aslag]
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This is also known as the 'poor man's copyright'. The important thing to remember when employing this particular method is that the envelope must remained sealed.
Many an idea of mine is currently 'awaiting' release in just this manner.
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#40576 - 05/20/04 02:35 PM Re: Its not possible [Re: GloryS9]
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I agree completely that in the Basement quality and respect are more abundant. My only problem is I don't want to see the public area neglected. You have to have some gems in the dirt, else people won't keep digging.

Of course, there are at least two duplicate forums I can think of and that's worked out fine. Who knows?

My opinion on this all stems from the quantity of piss-poor posts in the public area. Luckily the Introduction forum has helped weed out a lot.

Regarding leeches: They will steal, but without registering your work with the government, you have no legal way to protect your work (like suing). Perhaps a type of notice from the Moderators or Administrators would work as a contract, giving you power over the material.

I really would appreciate it if someone with more legal knowledge would chime in on this.
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#40577 - 05/20/04 03:12 PM Re: Its not possible [Re: Wonka]
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Copyrights on the Internet

Quote:

No formalities are required to obtain copyright. As mentioned above, appropriate kinds of work are protected when they are fixed in a tangible medium, whether or not they can be directly perceived by human senses.

In the U.S., it is unnecessary even to provide a copyright notice.


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#40578 - 05/21/04 08:15 AM Re: Its not possible [Re: Wonka]
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I dont see how the public area will ever be neglected. I have learned how the elite have been abused though. What about the elite?! Would you concede to letting leeches suck off of you in the name of 'neglect'?!
The strong and able will survive, and I really dont see how the public forum would be neglected, anyway. We tend to put our best downstairs, anyway. What have we seen so far, but a few. And if those few are Satanic, they will be able to afford the COS entry fee, won't they?


Glory
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#40579 - 05/21/04 08:20 AM Re: Its not possible [Re: Discipline]
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That is interesting! I wonder what the legal meaning of 'tangible' is!

I also wonder why we should have to go through so much trouble to be able to trust other 'Satanists?'
Glory
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#40580 - 05/21/04 08:38 AM Re: Its not possible [Re: Discipline]
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Ah, okay. Thanks for the information.
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#40581 - 05/21/04 08:43 AM Re: Its not possible [Re: GloryS9]
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You're a very passionate woman.

Most of the public here are leeches and no, I don't care about them. There are a few I like, however, but they can fork over the money if they really want to.

I'm starting to lean towards your side on this.
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#40582 - 05/21/04 12:53 PM Re: Its not possible [Re: GloryS9]
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Trust no one.

Anyways, if you want to post your poems feel free to. From what I have read you have the copyrights once it is on a tangible medium such as, a harddrive, paper, CD, or a canvas. Copyrights are more or less if you need to take legal action or do not wish to pay a butt load of money defending your rights of ownership.
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#40583 - 05/21/04 02:32 PM Re: a new forum [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Mullah UVRAY
Point taken
Soon I will pay ($) my respects to the Church.
Until then Hail Satan!

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