#405679 - 12/14/09 02:47 AM
Re: How do you deprogram a reflex?
[Re: Old_Pig]
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Registered: 11/09/09
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Thanks for the idea, but I don't mean just that particular case, but in general. How to deal with conditioned reflexes in general. Well, some "reflexes" are genetic (all "real" reflexes are, but learned actions that are done more or less unconsciously are also referred to as reflexes), and impossible to get rid of. (The one that doctors test by whacking your knee with the little mallet comes to mind) But for learned reflexes, or ones that we're born with but can get rid of (such as the reflex in infants that will cause them to make a suckling action if you stroke their cheek), psychologists generally remove through extinction training. The basic idea is to present whatever stimulus causes the reflexive action in a manner or setting where the response would be illogical, socially unacceptable, or otherwise "wrong" to the subject. For instance if the subject has a profound fear of snakes, and you hold up a plush snake at them, the subject's subconscious may recognize the object as a snake and attempt to invoke a fear response, but the subject's higher brain knows it's just a stuffed toy and can suppress it much more easily than if a live snake had been presented. The idea (in the case of phobias) is to slowly work your way up the spectrum to a more and more realistic representation of what the subject fears as the subject learns to cope with each one, until you get to the feared object itself. With other reflexes it might not be so much about "working up" so much as simply placing the subject in a condition where the stimulus is triggered, but it would be completely unacceptable for the response to be invoked. An example may be people who can't use public restrooms. Just fill their bladders up and shove them into one and lock the door until they use the toilet. This probably isn't the best method for getting rid of that particular response, but it's an example. >.> In either case the idea is to show the subject that the response is not a necessary reaction to the stimulus. So however that is best accomplished is usually the way it's done.
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#405711 - 12/14/09 12:18 PM
Re: How do you deprogram a reflex?
[Re: SpeshulK]
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Registered: 07/17/09
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I think the word your looking for is compulsion.
Now, for that specific situation, The trick might be to condition your mind to remain alert to unusual noises -for safety reasons, while still screening out general background noise.
Perhaps you can leave a television or radio on all night for a while, and eventually replace that with a small fan that generates white noise.
But generally speaking, ameliorating an undesired compulsion can be easily achieved through hypnosis.
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#405812 - 12/15/09 10:24 AM
Re: How do you deprogram a reflex?
[Re: Old_Pig]
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Registered: 05/21/06
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Interesting topic. I've been thinking about it a lot lately. I find that those conditioned responses, especially the ones caused by tragic past events, can be your worst enemies. And not just by depriving you of sleep, but also by depriving you of many other valuable things in life. Some of those conditioned reflexes have become a way of survival (be it physical or emotional), and it requires a lot of self conviction to deprogram them. As it has been mentioned, cognitive-behavioral psychology is the most efficient way to go when it comes to conditioning.
Personally though, being the analytic mind-fucker that I am, I believe in the process of mourning: purging myself of anger, sadness and guilt by "accepting" the wrong that has been done to me and "letting go". I guess that it is a form of ritual.
Of course, the more superficial kinds of conditioning (such as- being afraid of dogs after being attacked by one) are truly best handled by exposure therapy.
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#405833 - 12/15/09 01:26 PM
Re: How do you deprogram a reflex?
[Re: Old_Pig]
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Registered: 10/01/04
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You may be familiar with the basic concepts of NLP (you can find a good introduction here ). What happens in these cases of reflexes is that we create an "anchor": a sound, a kinestetic sensation, an image or virtually anything becomes connected to some kind of emotion, so, every time we perceive the same thing we experience the same emotion. Sadly what happens is that quite often anchors are negative ones, as in your case. Though we can easily create positive anchors that delete and replace the negative ones. How you do that? Very easy. What is the good emotion you are looking for? In your case could be calmness, or relaxation or sleepiness (it's up to you to find what you want). Create this emotion within yourself. Let's say, for example, the emotion is calmness; remember an occasion in which you felt this at a very high grade. Remember very well what you felt in that occasion, what you were experiencing at that time. Re-create it again in your mind, recreate the physical feelings that for you are connected to calmness. Intensify them, and when they are very vivid and intense for you, only at that point, create the physical anchor. Use the same sound, or image, or feeling that creates your negative feeling, but this time experience this physical feeling while experiencing the positive emotion you have chosen. At this point the two are connected: you basically created a new connection, positive and useful this time, between a mental state and a physical feeling. This will delete completely the old connection. The process can be repeated as many times as you want. You may find much more information about this anchor tecnique in all the vast NLP literature. Hope this can help.
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#406041 - 12/17/09 02:35 PM
Re: How do you deprogram a reflex?
[Re: SpeshulK]
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Registered: 10/24/08
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While I understand your problem,to the extent a perfect stranger can,I don't think it would be very safe to program yourself to not wake up when something goes "BANG" in another room of the house.
What if just this one time it were an intruder? There is a reason we wake up when we hear loud noises,survival instinct.
Unfortunately we live in a world with criminals,who would rather take what you worked for,even at the expense of spilling your blood,rather than work for it themselves.
I would look at this little "speedbump" as more of a fortress wall.
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#406316 - 12/20/09 01:21 AM
Re: How do you deprogram a reflex?
[Re: Old_Pig]
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Sorry for the delay, I wanted to consult a Psychiatrist I know and get some names for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._Skinnerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._WatsonWatson and Skinner (And their influences like Pavlov, if his name rings a bell) are the men to read for behaviorism and reflex study. To abridge everything they wrote as it pertains to your interests- Desensitization by repetitive confrontation. If you want to stop flinching, get someone to startle you over and over again. But behavior therapy goes a bit more in depth than that, and the writings of those guys will explain how, and get into application toward other situations (Sitting in a small room doesn't help all claustrophobics, it just makes their lives hell and they need other treatment). If you'd like me to ask the aforementioned shrink with more specificity than an internet forum allows, feel free to PM me. If you seek a pure Greater Magic solution, or this is only a theoretical sort of thing, their work will still have some ideas. Ritual might even be the mitigating factor in repetitious stress failure- If the claustrophobic performed a ritual to enter, remain in, and leave the room that supplemented their strength to bear being there and motive for repeating the experience, it may work after all. Interesting territory, at least to me. If the info is for your own practical application, then we share art as a ritual medium. Rather than confront it yourself, Pinton might be a good "Guinea" pig.
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