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#406818 - 12/26/09 06:20 PM Homosexuality and The Real Thing
SINClair Offline


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I am aware that the topic of homosexuality has been discussed to death, BUT, still there's something about it that intrigues me. I'd like to ask anyone who feels inclined to do so, to respond with personal opinion, thought, feeling, etc.


I'm bisexual myself. I have a boyfriend and all my past relationships have been with men... I have been with other women before however, and do sometimes feel attracted to other women... Feminine women that is, girly girls. I am also myself feminine, I am also myself quite girly.


When I am looking for a masculine element, for a masculine trait, I go straight to the sourse, a man.


When I am looking for a feminine element, for a feminine trait, I go straight to the sourse, a woman.


This is just how I biologically operate, I have not sat down and made that choice, well, I have done so as well, but, it was primarely instinct.


What intrigues me are those who go for people of the same gender but of opposite gender traits. Such as for instance the homosexual guy who goes for the feminine queer or the homosexal girl who goes for the macho dyke... If the former is looking for the feminine side in someone, why not go for a real girl? If the latter's looking for the masculine side in someone, why not go for a real guy?


I find this quite intriguing... I for one even though being bisexual, would not touch a macho dyke with a ten foot poll. Nothing against them as people, mind you, just most decidedly not my cup of tea, as far as sexual preference's concerned.


Thoughts?
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#406820 - 12/26/09 06:39 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
Bill_M Offline
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Originally Posted By: SINClair
What intrigues me are those who go for people of the same gender but of opposite gender traits. Such as for instance the homosexual guy who goes for the feminine queer or the homosexal girl who goes for the macho dyke... If the former is looking for the feminine side in someone, why not go for a real girl? If the latter's looking for the masculine side in someone, why not go for a real guy?

Because homosexual males don't go for partners with vaginas, and homosexual females don't go for partners with penises.
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#406821 - 12/26/09 06:42 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
Drakkar Tyrannis Offline


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The answer is obvious. If a man is interested in men, then he wants a man. Whether or not his partner is feminine or not is irrelevant because he's still a man.

That's like asking why don't straight men just fuck really feminine men because it's kinda like a woman..no..it's not like a woman, it's a man.

If a woman is a lesbian, she wants a woman. Whether or not the woman they choose is butch or not isn't the point. No matter how butch she may be, she's not a man.

When you want a man, will you settle for a woman who looks and acts like a man? No. Why? Because she's a woman and not a man.

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#406832 - 12/26/09 10:36 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Drakkar Tyrannis]
SpeshulK Offline


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Heh, an interesting question, since I'm pretty much a perfect case study.

When I'm looking for a guy, although I wouldn't say I'm looking for a drag queen or otherwise "feminine" man, I'm certainly not looking for a "bear", but someone that is slightly more sensitive and, well for lack of a better word "feminine" than your average man. But when I'm looking for women, I prefer those that are slightly masculine, who like to indulge in video games, heavy metal, and other hobbies that are generally considered "masculine", but again I'm not looking for a "straight-dyke", just someone a little more masculine than the average girl.

This is all speculation, but I think that, for myself at least, as a relatively masculine guy I want a mate that is less masculine than myself in order to more comfortably take on a dominant role in a relationship, which is why when I want a man I want one that is a little bit feminine. However as an objectivist as well as simply due to my general interests I like a girl that is strong, self-reliant, and generally a tiny bit more "manly" than the average barbie doll girl one might meet at a club.

For the gay community as a whole, I'd have to say it has to do with the general acceptance of dominant/submissive relationship roles, and the fact that while a gay man might want to have sex with a guy, he may still consider himself the "man" of the relationship and therefore would be uncomfortable around another "manly man" who may emasculate him, and the opposite being true with lesbians who are attracted to "butch" women.

Just my two cents, since I tend to psychoanalyze relationships like this.

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#406835 - 12/26/09 11:11 PM Re: Homosexuality Is The Real Thing [Re: SpeshulK]
Ms. Harlot Offline


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I've answered this question many times in my life. It's usually asked in an insulting and condescending tone, so I appreciate your attempt to be respectful. My usual response would be, "Why the hell does it matter to you?"

Reverend Bill's answer is the long and short of it, but let me answer a little more thoroughly, at least from my view.

I'm very femme, and my partner would be considered butch. I've always been attracted to gender fluidity in a woman; it's very sexy to me. I don't like femme women because they're too high maintenance. I gladly say that I'm high maintenance, and my girlfriend loves to spoil me every chance she gets. I wouldn't get that from another femme.

A good way to understand the whole "butch/femme" trend in homosexuality is to stop thinking "butch/femme". It's purely yin and yang. There's a top and a bottom, a protector and a protected one, a dominant and a submissive. Even if a relationship consists of two femme women, the roles within the relationship still compliment each other. They can even switch.

My partner and I are both switches, both in our relationship and in the bedroom. She's ten years my senior, so she tends to take on the protector role a lot. She gets shy around my crowd, so I protect her against them if need be. We're quite kink oriented, so dominant/submissive roles are very defined in certain parts of our relationship.

Gender expression isn't the primary part of a homosexual relationship. It's just how a person presents him or herself. I've been with men before, and I've never experienced nearly the same amount of attraction I have with women, mentally or physically. Butch or femme, when the clothes come off, it really doesn't matter.

PS: WTF's up with your post's title?


Edited by Ms. Harlot (12/26/09 11:21 PM)
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#406839 - 12/27/09 01:23 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
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With this kind of thing, you're going to get a different answer from everyone you ask. That's assuming you're asking individuals, not herd members. But seeing as how you're asking it on a message board for Satanists, I'm going to assume it is your goal to cultivate all these varying responses.

Whether anyone likes it or not, the West is still pretty much a patriarchal heterosexual society. This does not mean that EVERYONE lives in a male-dominant, straight environment; such environments simply are the overwhelming norm. Is it changing? Sure. But the residue of such cultural trends are going to influence and inform for a very long time to come. If it were not for such blatantly homophobic attitudes in the average Christian household (and in the promise bags of many politicians) the homosexual "movements" would probably not be so overt. Probably.

Because of the stark contrast between the two groups, not to mention the vast majority of sexual activity still being placed in the "fringe" category in the mind of the average American, people tend to have very solid ideas about sexuality, regardless of which "side" they support.

The overly grossed out attitudes that straight males have exhibited when confronted with gayness is also present in gays of both sexes. "Heterophobia" most definitely exists. As does "biphobia", and many other hang-ups about the sexualities of others. Most likely because they fear it reveals something about themselves. I've heard many lesbians say something like "if she leaves me for a man I'm never dating a bi chick again."
So her leaving you for another woman isn't as bad?

If a gay guy likes men who are very feminine it's most likely just because he likes faggy guys. But it is also entirely possible that he does like women, and because of fear of being called "confused" or "faking", or any number of retarded things, he denies it and psychologically buries it. I would not be surprised at all if this is the case for many heterosexual and homosexual people.

Bottom line: people like sex. Most will get it with whomever (and sometimes whatever) they can. But Satanists are not like most. If you've got a sexual hang-up there's nothing stopping you from exploring it. If you end up being a run-of-the-mill manly straight guy that's fine. It's just who you are. But there is an important distinction to be made between healthy and unhealthy sexual attitudes.

Know yourself and don't worry about others. It's worked pretty well for me.
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#406855 - 12/27/09 08:27 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SpeshulK]
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I'm a man who's attracted to men. I can't stand feminine guys and I couldn't stand to be involved with any man I couldn't respect as such. If I wanted something soft and feminine I'd be with a woman instead of a generic brand that's "almost as good". I HATE that heterosexuality mimicry that gays do, feeding that age old idiotic question "Who's the man and who's the woman in the relationship?". Other masculine men don't bother me, I have no fear of being emasculated because there isn't such a thing as far as I'm concerned. He's not "the" man I'm not "the" man, we're both men and in my opinion that's the way it should be. Never been a fan of weakness, ESPECIALLY from a man so no one plays a submissive role.

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#406858 - 12/27/09 08:41 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Drakkar Tyrannis]
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Sorry, but that is offensive. 'that gays do'? I can't talk for most homosexuals as they are just as worthless as hetrosexuals, but a persons needs are what plays the role. If a person is attracted to the same sex but needs that person to play an opposite gender role then that's fine. Who are you to judge how people co-exist together? You are telling me that your relationships are clear cut? You don't need a certain set of qualities in person for you to be happy?
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#406860 - 12/27/09 08:47 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Skjalandir]
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People can do whatever they like, however I'm speaking for myself. Since we're discussing gays and bisexual people then use it would be "the gays". Mind you whenever generalizing you have to take into consideration that not EVERY gay person is this way, but surely a good majority.


And for the most part my relationships are pretty simple. As a basis I prefer masculine men, however masculinity has a broad range so it's measured on a person to person basis. As long as that basic requirement is met I'm fine.

I personally don't see the need for a man playing a female role..that makes no sense to me. If I wanted a woman I'd get one, not a knockoff. Stereotypical gay men are pretty much the gay version of the herd, complete with all the restrictions and confinements that come with it, and it's not something I care for much at all.

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#406862 - 12/27/09 10:18 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
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I cannot speak as a homosexual, but after reading your topic it occurred to me that this may not be limited to this group.

For instance some of the things that I appreciate in women would by some (and by tradition) be considered masculine - independence, assertiveness, self-reliance and so on. I have on a few occasions gotten quite curious glances when pointing out that I find women with automated weapons sexy (asian women with AK 47's as the case would be) smile

And to the best of my knowledge I'm not a closet gay or in denial. If I look for reasons I'm probably more inclined to think of it as looking for something other than my mother smile

So my wholly unqualified guess would be for instance that gay men who search for feminine traits in a partner wants something in a man that doesn't remind him of the typical male ideals, perhaps because that's the way he has internalised his feelings about his own sexuality, perhaps the one searching for a manly gay man needs that to complete things he thinks are missing in himself, or perhaps he is just feeling confident with his role and seeks an equal.
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#406883 - 12/27/09 07:32 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
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I imagine that for some people, they are not interested in a feminine woman, they are interested in a feminine man. Simple as that. For them, a feminine woman would be no more than a cheap imitation, and the feminine man would be the real thing. Likewise with masculine women and men.

Male/female is not the same thing as man/woman, which in turn is not the same thing as masculine/feminine. For instance, there is a big difference between effeminate gay men and mtf transgendered women. Both may be anatomically male and have feminine traits, but one is an effeminate man in a man's body, the other is a woman in a man's body. Both may be attractive, but they are going to be differently attractive to different people. People are more complex than simply where they fall on the masculinity-femininity scale.

I am 100% woman, 100% female, 99.5% heterosexual, but I am no where near 100% feminine.

Your tastes run toward masculine men and feminine women. For you, an effeminate man or a macho woman would be only a cheap approximation of what you really want. Just as true, for some, a masculine man or a feminine woman would be that same cheap approximation.

Say I'm craving something salty, so I decide to have some cheese and crackers. Someone else, when craving salt, might prefer a steak. Someone else might really like just a few grains of table salt. Someone else, a gatorade. I, however, am not going to put down my cheese and crackers in favor a few grains of table salt, just because it is closer to the source. There is more to the cheese and crackers that I like than just the salt. I like the overall flavors and textures. Same thing with sex.

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#406893 - 12/27/09 10:59 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
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I don't think this has been brought up yet, but the Synthesizer clock could be playing a part here. A 12 o'clock man will probably chase after a 6 o'clock woman if hetero and a 6 o'clock man if homosexual. It just seems like a balance thing to me with sexual preference not really playing a part. I just think that homosexual preferences seem to stand out more because it is different than the majority.

An example...My boss, who is on the passive/softer side side, married a dominant woman. His boss, who is a dominant woman, married a passive/very feminine woman (during the few seconds it was legal in CA).
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#406962 - 12/28/09 11:06 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Diwanna]
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I can offer no real insight into the psychological aspects of the discussion at hand, but I can present my own preferences, for whatever it's worth.

I'm a heterosexual male, and perhaps the most attractive woman in any fantasies of mine is one who is, shall we say... "romantically aggressive." I quite enjoy the idea of a dominating woman. Paradoxically, I don't consider myself submissive. It's possible that I'm more of a switch myself. I have no indication otherwise, as I have been unable to find a relationship as of yet. Virtually every girl I like is either taken or not interested in me.

But that's besides the point. The point is that while I like a woman who's more on the masculine side, I have no interest in men whatsoever. Except maybe Johnny Depp, but who isn't interested in him?
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#406976 - 12/29/09 06:00 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Zaranell]
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I, for the record, have no interest in Johnny Depp

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#407000 - 12/29/09 09:52 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Zaranell]
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Originally Posted By: Zaranell
I have no indication otherwise, as I have been unable to find a relationship as of yet. Virtually every girl I like is either taken or not interested in me.



Maybe it's the rotting skin, the pointy fangs, and the glowing yellow eyes?
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#407025 - 12/29/09 02:02 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Bill_M]
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Originally Posted By: Bill_M

Because homosexual males don't go for partners with vaginas, and homosexual females don't go for partners with penises.


My thoughts exactly. . .just more PG-13 lol.
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#407050 - 12/29/09 06:34 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Diwanna]
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Loc: Austin, TX
Originally Posted By: Diwanna
I don't think this has been brought up yet, but the Synthesizer clock could be playing a part here.


I completely forgot about the Synthesizer clock. I just read that chapter a couple of weeks ago. That's a very good way to put it. smile

Originally Posted By: Drakkar Tyrannis
I, for the record, have no interest in Johnny Depp.

I don't know, he made a hot lookin' tranny on Ed Wood.
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#407051 - 12/29/09 07:07 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
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Originally Posted By: SINClair
I am aware that the topic of homosexuality has been discussed to death, BUT, still there's something about it that intrigues me.

I'm bisexual myself. I have a boyfriend and all my past relationships have been with men... I have been with other women before however, and do sometimes feel attracted to other women... Feminine women that is, girly girls. I am also myself feminine, I am also myself quite girly.





Thoughts?


I do have a thought that came to me when I first read this post, but decided not to express, because I did not want to come across as offensive, or as making light of your, or the feelings of anyone else. But...what the hay.

During experiences with forums, I have noted a trend. I have read profiles and such where men will refer to themselves as bisexual. These have been a few. I have noticed many more women who use this tag. If I may your post as a reference, you say you are bisexual (which I am not questioning), then state that all of your "relationships" have been with men. The way you write about your experiences with women, it sounds like experimentation. I have noticed that many more women seem to experiment than men...or more women admit it...I do not know for sure. If this is the case, it seems natural...at least to me...that you would go to men and women seeking stereotypical gender roles.

I have often been intrigued by how many more women than men profess an attraction to the same sex, and admit to experimenting. I am equally intrigued by the fact that it is a crap shoot as to whether they refer to themselves as "straight" or "bi". Myself, I've always figured chicks are way hotter than hairy ass dudes, so why WOULDN'T other women like them ...but I am told I am a pig, so what do I know?

No offense meant...just musing as to what goes on in other people's heads. smile
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#407053 - 12/29/09 07:19 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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just musing as to what goes on in other people's heads.

Yes, especially what makes them air out their intimate laundry in a public forum accessible to everyone in the internet. So very Satanic.... zombie
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#407064 - 12/30/09 03:00 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Phineas]
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Originally Posted By: Phineas
just musing as to what goes on in other people's heads.
Yes, especially what makes them air out their intimate laundry in a public forum accessible to everyone in the internet. So very Satanic.... zombie


They use the internet as the mask of their identity,here.
Anonymity is the name of the game in this case,whereas in their everyday lives they use thier identity to mask their secrets.A virtual "Eyes Wide Shut". the biggest stain on Kubrick's film repertoire
So I guess this is the place where they vent?Why the choice of venue for said venting is the real question. . .
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#407075 - 12/30/09 07:11 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Bill_M]
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Originally Posted By: Bill_M
Originally Posted By: SINClair
What intrigues me are those who go for people of the same gender but of opposite gender traits. Such as for instance the homosexual guy who goes for the feminine queer or the homosexal girl who goes for the macho dyke... If the former is looking for the feminine side in someone, why not go for a real girl? If the latter's looking for the masculine side in someone, why not go for a real guy?

Because homosexual males don't go for partners with vaginas, and homosexual females don't go for partners with penises.


I think there's more to it than that and the points Roho touched on might be at least a partial answer to SINClair’s question. I have a female friend whom I’ve known for the best part of 25 years. Up until 6 or 7 years ago she was completely heterosexual and had a string of boyfriends. Then she decided she was a lesbian and completely immersed herself in the gay scene, it became her main topic of conversation and I even once saw her introduce herself to someone by saying “hi, my name’s ----, I’m a lesbian”! I got to meet a couple of her girlfriends and they were both more manly looking than 90% of the men you see these days! I did suggest to her that it was the “scene” more than the women that attracted her to lesbianism, and although she denied it at the time she has since proved me right and is now back to dating men!

As Roho pointed out, being gay/bi is very much a trend these days. I rarely encounter a girl in the metal scene under 30 who does not claim to be bi. From what I hear about the goth and emo scenes, it’s the same with the men there. I am convinced there are many people who are attracted to the gay SCENE more than the actual sex, and so it is natural they would select a partner as close to the opposite sex as possible, rather than to their own.

Before anyone raises the objection that no one would indulge in a particular form of sex just to fit into a “scene”, consider the number of gay people who live a lie for years just so they can fit into the heterosexual mainstream “scene”. Some even go to the lengths of getting married and having children before finally coming out in later life (if at all), and this still goes on today despite all the legislation protecting homosexual people from discrimination.

I’m not trying to offend anyone here, it’s just this is something I have always wondered about myself. When you meet a prospective partner for the first time you don’t see their genitalia, you just see their face and body shape. As a 100% heterosexual man, someone who looks like a man is not going to attract me sexually and the knowledge that they have a vagina rather than a penis is not going to make them any more appealing.

The bottom line is that for every person with interests outside the mainstream who keeps that side of their nature hidden in order to fit in to the mainstream, there is someone somewhere trying to fit into a subculture even though the main identifier of that subculture might not necessarily appeal to them. The particular subcultures I have been involved with for years, the metal and punk scenes, abound with folks whose social lives and identity revolve around the “scene” but who have little interest in the actual music!
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#407085 - 12/30/09 08:26 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Mannyowar]
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The more I learn about history, the less I take seriously such things as innate sexual orientation. Sure, we have our preferences; but, I am sometimes amazed at the inability of people to think outside their social construct. That includes me.
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#407094 - 12/30/09 09:47 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: ArtAche86]
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They use the internet as the mask of their identity,here.

Anonymity? On the internet? grin
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#407142 - 12/30/09 02:03 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Phineas]
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Unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

Granted,Big Brother might want to watch some terrorists' activities,but lurk in the shadows to find out who is homosexual or not?

My ego is strong,but I don't believe I am THAT important.At least not to "them" coopdevil
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#407144 - 12/30/09 02:18 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: ArtAche86]
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Unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

It is a pleasure to observe how you and others choose to remain so clueless as to how it is possible to find things about anyone via the internet.

And you don't have to be big brother etc. to do this.

There is also the matter of privacy, secrecy, mystery. All important watchwords to Satanists.

And, by the way, I just happened to post in this thread, in response to Mr. Roosters comment. My observation also apply to other topics, in other threads, in this public section. Where people essentially are coming up to perfect strangers and saying "Look at me! I stick apples up my nose!"

You'd think this place was the Jerry Springer Show...

Enjoy your slumber.

I am done here.
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#407147 - 12/30/09 03:01 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Phineas]
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>> You'd think this place was the Jerry Springer Show... <,


Quite, Magister Phineas!

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#407174 - 12/30/09 06:05 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Maybe these days as the world's becoming less conservative, more people are admiting to having homosexual fantasies and maybe because men have a bigger responsibility to remain macho in society's eyes, that's why you see less of them admiting to it than women?


The fact that I have homosexual fantasies, does not make me want to have a serious relationship with another woman... I may want to sleep with them and not want to spend holidays with them and that also does not make these encounters experimental.


When you recall having a fantasy all your life and when you act on it for the fifth, sixth time, it ceases to be experimental.
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#407177 - 12/30/09 06:19 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Mannyowar]
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My thoughts exactly.


What I wonder about women who date women who look like men, talk like men, walk like men, and men who date men who look like women, talk like women and walk like women, is wether they're not actually sexually confused.


And no, it's no big deal if they are merely sexualy confused, no, it does not make either of them less of a person if they are, merely sexualy confused... This is just something that I've been wondering about.


I too, think that there's more to it than genitalia, exactly because of the points you've brought up.


What makes people attracted to each other at first is looks, then personality, then genitalia comes lastly. And again, if what they want is a dick only, why not get it from a man that looks like a man? If what they want is a pussy only, why not get it from a woman that looks like a woman?
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#407199 - 12/31/09 02:52 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Phineas]
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Originally Posted By: Phineas

And, by the way, I just happened to post in this thread, in response to Mr. Roosters comment. My observation also apply to other topics, in other threads, in this public section. Where people essentially are coming up to perfect strangers and saying "Look at me! I stick apples up my nose!"


Agreed. There is power in a secret. And if there is nothing to gain from "letting the cat out of the bag",aside from hinderance,then why do it?
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#407289 - 01/01/10 05:07 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: ArtAche86]
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This should hit the nail on the head for this thread...

http://www.lovegodsway.org/GayBands

My favourite feature is the extra explanations to artists, ranging from Elton John (really gay) to Morrisey (questionable).

Happy New Year.
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#407293 - 01/01/10 05:33 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Skjalandir]
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Originally Posted By: Skjalandir
This should hit the nail on the head for this thread...

http://www.lovegodsway.org/GayBands

My favourite feature is the extra explanations to artists, ranging from Elton John (really gay) to Morrisey (questionable).

Happy New Year.


Funny list, especially to find King Crimson in there with the others - apart from Fripp being married to Toyah I never really thought of them as having a "dangerous" side.
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#407320 - 01/01/10 02:40 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Phineas]
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There is actually an internet term for information found concerning someones identity, its called a powerword.

Magister Phineas is many things, but a conspiracy theorist? No.
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#407342 - 01/01/10 07:36 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Skjalandir]
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Originally Posted By: Skjalandir
This should hit the nail on the head for this thread...

http://www.lovegodsway.org/GayBands

My favourite feature is the extra explanations to artists, ranging from Elton John (really gay) to Morrisey (questionable).

Happy New Year.


Whenever I see sites like this, I honestly wonder if such people are for real. I would love to know the criteria for ending up on this list..Metallica?...CANNIBAL CORPSE? DMX? Jay-Z?..Am I missing something? What do any of the mentioned musicians have to do with gay anything?

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#407345 - 01/01/10 09:49 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Skjalandir]
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Thank you Skjalandir for that link, l showed it to my husband and my 16 yr old daughter and we all fell over laughing.

The internet is a fascinating place full of fantastic information but it is also one of the few places that 'anyone' can add pure utter shit!
I am still shaking my head in disgust (once l stopped laughing)

Not being very familiar with any 'gay terminology' l was intrigued with Marilyn Manson's explanation - (dark gay), also a little concerned with how the Disney network would feel if they knew the truth about the Jonas Brothers!!!!!!

Thanks again, l love a good laugh...

Hail Satan!
Midnight


Edited by Midnight (01/01/10 09:49 PM)
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#407364 - 01/02/10 12:09 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Midnight]
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Even though that website is actually a joke, it's sad that I've come across worse things from people who were completely serious.

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#407373 - 01/02/10 04:08 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Drakkar Tyrannis]
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Ah I didn't realise he was a fictional character. For a momment I thought it was real!


Edited by Skjalandir (01/02/10 04:12 AM)
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#407378 - 01/02/10 08:06 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Skjalandir]
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Isn't it sad that when you see such things that are too ridiculous for words, you can't even be sure if it's real or not? People are insane..

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#407379 - 01/02/10 08:23 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Drakkar Tyrannis]
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Originally Posted By: Drakkar Tyrannis
Isn't it sad that when you see such things that are too ridiculous for words, you can't even be sure if it's real or not? People are insane..


If it's a joke that at least explains some of the things that I couldn't make sense of. I also just noticed that Dresden Dolls are among the safe bands ... I have an inkling that Amanda Palmer would have liked to not be included there smile
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#407464 - 01/03/10 08:11 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: Jack_Lantern]
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Originally Posted By: Jack_Lantern
There is actually an internet term for information found concerning someones identity, its called a powerword.


I got curious about this term and tried to look it up, but it seems to be used in many contexts and for at least one product.

Do you have any references to this particular use of the word? It's an interesting concept I think.
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#407498 - 01/03/10 05:30 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: verszou]
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Try this, cached on Google's server. NOTE: The live site hosts a trojan at the moment, but the Google cache appears to be safe. Just do not follow any links out of the Google cache, which is what I have posted below.

http : // 74.125.47.132 / search?q=cache:Gw2ESEAvrjEJ:encyclopediadramatica.com/PowerWord:_IRL_Name+powerword+internet+privacy&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

You will see the term come up every now and again in 2600, Hackin9, and similar magazines, too.

It is virtually impossible to remain anonymous on the Internet. Even with valiant effort, equally valiant effort can uncover one's trail. Even if one exclusively used Internet cafes--not talking free wireless at the coffee shop--one usually presents some form of ID and often pays with a debit/credit card.
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#407557 - 01/04/10 12:17 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: TheAbysmal]
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Interesting. One of my colleagues bought the compilation of 2600 magazines that came out a while back, going to check with him too. Thanks for the info.
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#407596 - 01/04/10 12:04 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: verszou]
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My colleague suggested checking out "Privacy is dead - get over it" from one of the HOPE conferences. It can be found on Google video. So that's part of the plan for tonight smile
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#407611 - 01/04/10 02:48 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: verszou]
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Heh... That is on sale on DVD at the 2600 website.

Maybe worth it if the material is good, but it appears to be on YouTube. I will check it out. Thanks. smile
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#407618 - 01/04/10 04:54 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: TheAbysmal]
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Originally Posted By: Vitaeviternus
Heh... That is on sale on DVD at the 2600 website.

Maybe worth it if the material is good, but it appears to be on YouTube. I will check it out. Thanks. smile


I think it's really good, I'm probably more careful than most of my friends, but I'm pretty sure that this guy would find what he needed to find out about me if need be.

I'll check out the DVD versions.
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#407619 - 01/04/10 05:27 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: verszou]
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Just finished watching it, too. Pretty spot on. I find it a shame that Mr. Rambam only touches on some privacy concerns of which many casual viewers would benefit from a more in depth treatment.

One point he made of the iPhone's non-removable battery was remarkable to me. It would be interesting to observe that becoming a design trend.

Lots of other great stuff in there, too, but he did not once mention "powerword" that I observed. smile

In respect to SINClair, whose thread seems to have been somewhat derailed from the subject of homosexuality, you might find it interesting, too. Mr. Rambam goes into a little detail in how one's perceived sexuality can a gold mine of information. That may neither come as any huge mystery, nor a privacy concern itself. How information gatherers compile it and draw relationships to other information might.

Just remarking on this thread might get me mailings from the Democratic party.
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#408074 - 01/08/10 08:00 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: TheAbysmal]
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Originally Posted By: Vitaeviternus

Even if one exclusively used Internet cafes--not talking free wireless at the coffee shop--one usually presents some form of ID and often pays with a debit/credit card.



And aren't they annoying? People who spend unnecessary lenght of time at a cashier, paying with a credit card something worth 50 cents, when they could quickly hand over a coin or single note to pay for it.
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#408082 - 01/08/10 09:54 PM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: SINClair]
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I do find it annoying of others, but this is what I find especially funny: I do the same damn thing. Yep... I am that guy.

Invariably, it is the really cheap purchases where find that I do not have cash on hand. Sometimes, the credit slip printer jams, too, or the debit terminal has a convoluted series of questions that prolongs the transaction even further. And, then I find myself chatting up the cashier in the extra time, which slows everything down even more.

But, there is a plus side to it. I will likely not get shorted on change because of a dishonest or distracted cashier.
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#408107 - 01/09/10 02:38 AM Re: Homosexuality and The Real Thing [Re: TheAbysmal]
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Originally Posted By: Vitaeviternus
I will likely not get shorted on change because of a dishonest or distracted cashier.

. . .or one that speaks horribly broken English,or can't do simple math.
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