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#409260 - 01/18/10 06:46 PM Satanic Combat Sciences?
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Now, I do know that many Satanists, including myself, engage in a lot of physical activity with sports etc, both as an indulgence in the immediate fun of it, and for overall power of being.
And I know martial arts are also often popular among Satanists, again including myself, for ability to defend oneself, the ritualistic/"in the zone" power and all.

Something I have read about, but not able to find much detail on, is "Satanic Combat Sciences". I first read of it on Vexen Crabtree's site, he's a very cool Satanist guy from the UK, some of you may know of him. But then the link he had there was outdated and didn't work, and google is turning up nothing for me. But then, in the CoS Emporium, I see this book "Fang and Claw" or something along those lines about the topic of Satanic martial arts.

Does any sort of specifically Satanic martial art exist? Or do we generally go by learning a mix of whatever we like best and is most effective?


Edited by Liberterius (01/18/10 06:46 PM)

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#409263 - 01/18/10 07:18 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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Something I have read about, but not able to find much detail on, is "Satanic Combat Sciences".


John C. Davis aka Xloptuny, the creator of "Satanic Combat Sciences" is no longer with us on this Earth.

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But then, in the CoS Emporium, I see this book "Fang and Claw" or something along those lines about the topic of Satanic martial arts.


Written by Col. Akula, The Fang and Claw books are a fine addition to any Satanic library.

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Does any sort of specifically Satanic martial art exist? Or do we generally go by learning a mix of whatever we like best and is most effective?


I apply the Satanic Martial Art of: "What works best for me based on proven experience fu". smirk

Is it useful? Or useless?

Test everything, believe nothing, take what is useful and apply it, discard what is useless. smile

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#409265 - 01/18/10 07:38 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Ninth_Cimmerian]
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SomethingLikEvil, who frequents this board, has been developing his own Martial Art and has an essay about it in his book, The Devil's Soapbox .

Though I wouldn’t say that this is a “specifically Satanic Martial Art” (I agree with what N9nth Cimmerian said about doing whatever works), the book does contain some other interesting observations about how certain aspects of Satanism relate to Martial Arts.


Edited by John Prophet (01/18/10 07:39 PM)
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#409267 - 01/18/10 07:48 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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In addition to the two excellent recommendations below I'd also give ESSAYS IN SATANISM by Magister Sass a peek as well.

I do know that Anton LaVey studied Judo which is various throwing techniques. What I have found to be benefitcial is to study the LaVey Synthesizer, learn your body, and pick what suites you best.
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#409272 - 01/18/10 09:13 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Unknown]
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Thanks y'all.

I'm quite well versed in Seidokan karate; so that's a mix of various techniques, not just limited to punching and kicking. (also throws, chokes, grabs, melee weapons, etc)
Ok this is what I figured; that it's just the philosophy of "whatever works best", rather than some knightly idea of chivilric combat. Unless its a set-up match, as in a game, with rules, there are no rules in a fight; its law of the jungle.
The Fang and Claw books definitely looked interesting, perhaps I shall check them out someday. smile

Just my thought by the way, I think firearms should be included in any sort of Satanic martial art, being so prevalent as they are in our modern world, and just so damn effective. ^_^
U know what they say about bringing a knife to a gun-fight.

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#409277 - 01/18/10 09:32 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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I always have a loaded gun around. . . Why wrestle when you can win with the first punch?
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#409278 - 01/18/10 09:38 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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Just my thought by the way, I think firearms should be included in any sort of Satanic martial art, being so prevalent as they are in our modern world, and just so damn effective. ^_^
U know what they say about bringing a knife to a gun-fight.


Yes, train with everything that you might come up against, to include firearms.

A person can be killed with a rolled up newspaper, amongst other items you wouldn't normally suspect.

My current favorite carry pistol is a Glock G27 .40 with tritium sights and Scherer extended mag bottoms.

Magister Nemos book "The Fire Within" has excellent articles on this topic (and others).

Also recommended as a basic primer for Satanic Martial Arts is "Kill or be Killed" by Col. Applegate.

KISS. wink
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#409279 - 01/18/10 09:40 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Ninth_Cimmerian]
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Yes when it comes to survival Satanism really does have it covered. The measurement of any mans intelligence very well may be defined by his longevity.
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#409282 - 01/18/10 10:48 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Unknown]
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Thank you John for the book plug.

Generally, unless you build the techniques of a martial art, not the forms, into muscle memory, they are almost worthless in a real fight.

Muscle memory, for those who don't know, is the constant repitition of a technique (be it painting, writing music, anything that takes practice really) so that you need not think about it anymore, it happens automatically when needed which allows the mind to improvise if called for, allowing the individual to think on their feet.

Even though I train in multipule forms of martial arts, if it comes down to fighting, I will do anything that will save my ass. It could be biting, poking, hell, even digging my nails into the enemy. This does not mean you should continue to beat the shit outta the person if they, say, already completely senseless from the ass-whooping you just dished out. I usually attack just enough to get away, which is the point of most martial arts.

You learn martial arts so that you don't have to fight, think on this.

Remember, Lex Talionis, let the punishment fit in kind and degree, the crime. Don't over do it.
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#409285 - 01/18/10 11:25 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: SomethingLikEvil]
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Even though I train in multipule forms of martial arts, if it comes down to fighting, I will do anything that will save my ass.


That really is the bottom line.

Not everything goes according to plan in an uncontrolled environment. You could be ambushed, stalked, trapped, etc. You may be in a bar, a dark alley, a small store, the front yard. All quite different than a ring. Reflexes in such situations are highly important. The brain follows the body.

By the way I'd also like to add that if one were to master the components of Lesser Magic then your survival ratio increases in your favor dramatically and you may avoid physical confrontations all the easier.
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#409290 - 01/18/10 11:53 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Unknown]
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[quote]By the way I'd also like to add that if one were to master the components of Lesser Magic then your survival ratio increases in your favor dramatically and you may avoid physical confrontations all the easier.


speaking of which, and should be in the Lesser Magic kit of those who live in gang-infested areas: Find out what colors and/or sports teams the gangs around you sport. By knowing which colors to avoid wearing, you could save yourself a lot of unneeded confrontations.

It sounds stupid, but trust me on this. I was born in Queens, New York, a city where Crips, Bloods, La Familia, Albanian gangs, and many others reside.

I was raised in Salinas, California where the two main gangs are the Nortenos and Surenos take residence.

Now, in Oxnard, California, I am surrounded by Colonia Chiques, CO Boys, and more.

As you can see, I have lived in areas with gang problems all my life, I have been in fights with them, all because I was ignorant of the colors they, or their rival gangs, wore.

I now know better than to wear, say, black Dickies and a grey shirt, or vice versa, as I will be considered a rival gang member.

It sounds irrelevent, but knowing this information can save you a lot of grief.
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#409299 - 01/19/10 01:09 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: SomethingLikEvil]
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All excellent points.

Whatever you do don't dress like this.


If anyone dresses like this they deserve to get bitch-slapped.
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#409314 - 01/19/10 04:42 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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Great topic! I've enjoyed reading the responses here.

In my quest to become kunoichi I've been researching self-defense/fighting stuff. I have a long list of reading material and now've added a few more. I seem to remember, from something I saw online many moons ago, that techniques are slightly different for ladies/midget-people (a.k.a. --> me).

I'm fairly comfortable with my 9 mm and I can run really fast (not just sprinting but endurance) so've got at least two tools in my arsenal. I've always wanted to learn archery. Obviously not ideal for most situations; a skill more suitable for the zombie apocalypse. Shooting is loads of fun but something about the acoustics exacerbates some moderate inner ear damage of mine. Seems like bow and arrow would afford good target practice and be slightly less bone-splitting.

Or maybe I just want to look like Jessica Biel in Blade Trinity. grin



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#409331 - 01/19/10 07:54 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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Originally Posted By: Liberterius
Does any sort of specifically Satanic martial art exist? Or do we generally go by learning a mix of whatever we like best and is most effective?


I don't like martial arts. I don't want to be an expert on any sort of art when I am forced in a situation where I have to defend myself.

Follow these simple steps and you will be an expert of satanic self defence.

Step 1. One of the satanic rules of the earth states something like: When walking in open territory bother no one, if someone bothers you, ask them to stop, if they don't, destroy them.

This is a good first rule for self defence. But I am going to develop it a bit for the purpose of self defence. Avoid open territory that might pose a threat to you. An example is out in town a friday or saturday night when there are alot of drunk people. Alcohol makes some people aggressive, and they may choose you as a target for their aggression. Avoid areas that are high in crime rate (use your common sense). This should decrease your risk of being forced into a self-defence situation to a minimum. And you do not want to be in such a situation, trust me.

Step 2. If you for some reason do not follow step one, read this. When walking in "hostile" open territory, you need to make sure not to look like a victim. Behave confident, keep your head up and back straight, look and be alert of your surrounding but do no look nervous, act as if you would be ready to defend yourself against anyone (but still follow the rule in step one, that is, bother no one when walking in open territory). When someone chooses a victim to attack, they will look for a weaker opponent because they want to win the fight of course, so do not act like the weaker opponent even if you would be.

Step 3. We now come to those situations when someone has bothered you. You are now required to destroy your agitator (can you say that? my english is not 100%) or more preferably destroy the threat. Let's say that someone comes up to you and start harassing you and that person obviously want to fight you, calmly and with confidence say something like this: "please leave me alone, I do not want any trouble with you good sir". If that doesn't work you should try to scare him not to attack you, remember this imbecile weaker creature is really pissing you off, roar at him, give him a hard push on the chest and scream: "LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!". If he's still harassing you after this, you're either dealing with a real stupid person or someone that is on some heavy drugs. You will have to read on and follow step 4.

Step 4. You are now facing a situation where you will have to deal with your attacker physically. There's an easy combo-attack that does the job for most situations. Check your pockets for anything you can throw, a pair of keys or a cellphone perhaps. Pick it up and throw it at the attackers face, this will distract him from his groin area where you directly after the throw give him a nice kick in the groin (let's face it, in 99.999999999% of the cases the attacker will be a man) and he will be out of combat long enough for you to make your way to safety. There are two exceptions though:

a) If the attacker has a knife or any similar object, then skip the throw and kick, just run. There is no good defence against knifes, I know because I went to a knife-defence seminar and all I realised was that I had to get as far away from a person if he/she is pointing a knife at me.

b) If the attacker has a gun. You're pretty much fucked. Do what the attacker says and hope that you're lucky. Under no circumstances should you try to run or in any way act aggressively at a person pointing a gun at you. And you probably wouldn't if that happened anyways.

That pretty much sums up my view of what satanic self defence (or satanic combat science if you prefer to call it that) is: common sense. Self defence has very little with physical combat to do and a lot more to do with thinking before acting in my opinion. Try to follow step one, please.
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#409339 - 01/19/10 08:24 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Herr_S]
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Originally Posted By: Herr_S
When someone chooses a victim to attack, they will look for a weaker opponent because they want to win the fight of course, so do not act like the weaker opponent even if you would be.


I used to be friends with a 6'8 Lithuanian guy who was pretty much a giant. He once got hit by a taser from a man in a car he was walking past. He once got attacked by a man with a car wrench, and one time which is going to prove the real exception to what you just said, he was attacked by a fat 16 year old boy whilst the Lithuanian walked with me and THREE other guys. Of course, he kicked the boy in the face and levelled him and we just carried on walking, but you would be surprised how many tough people are attacked against the odds!

I did just notice you said you are not 100% confident with English, though, so maybe just treat my post as a story, not a contradiction. Perhaps you meant in 'most' situations that a person attacks a weaker person. blush


Edited by Skjalandir (01/19/10 08:29 AM)
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#409342 - 01/19/10 08:50 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: John Prophet]
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Interesting. A good reason for me to purchase both Tooth and Claw and also The Devils Soapbox.

Incidentally Bruce Lee is one of my all time heroes. I have been studying not only his films but also his philosophy since I was a young boy. He took what was being taught and expanded and evolved upon it through personal experience and experimentation.

Here is a quote attributed to him on the subject as I think it it relevant to this discussion;

'Learn the principle, abide by the principle, and dissolve the principle. In short, enter a mold without being caged in it. Obey the principle without being bound by it. LEARN, MASTER AND ACHIEVE!!!

Knowledge in martial arts actually means self-knowledge. A martial artist has to take responsibility for himself and accept the consequences of his own doing. The understanding of JKD is through personal feeling from movement to movement in the mirror of the relationship and not through a process of isolation. To be is to be related. To isolate is death. To me, ultimately, martial arts means honestly expressing yourself. Now, it is very difficult to do. It has always been very easy for me to put on a show and be cocky, and be flooded with a cocky feeling and feel pretty cool and all that. I can make all kinds of phoney things. Blinded by it. Or I can show some really fancy movement. But to experience oneself honestly, not lying to oneself, and to express myself honestly, now that is very hard to do.'

http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/brucelee/quotes.htm#On%20martial%20arts%20styles



Something which I think is key for a person such as myself and others who wish to master not just one style of martial arts but master martial arts as a way of life.

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#409345 - 01/19/10 09:20 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: SomethingLikEvil]
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Originally Posted By: SomethingLikEvil


Generally, unless you build the techniques of a martial art, not the forms, into muscle memory, they are almost worthless in a real fight.

Muscle memory, for those who don't know, is the constant repetition of a technique (be it painting, writing music, anything that takes practice really) so that you need not think about it anymore, it happens automatically when needed which allows the mind to improvise if called for, allowing the individual to think on their feet.



Here is my take on forms training.

I think that they are basically a good way of training certain techniques and movements into your muscle memory but must not be taken as 'when fighting this is what you must always do'.

In my experience forms training is generally a way to introduce new techniques as a student progresses.
"These are the new techniques you will be learning and to make it easy for you to remember the new techniques they have been organized into a sequence for you to commit to memory"

Muscle memory works like this; perform an action enough times and eventually it will become instinct.
Once a student becomes has become familiar with the new techniques then it is time to expand upon what they know so that they can instinctively use that technique in an effective manner.

An analogy I like to make is comparing forms training to shadow boxing. Commit yourself to each and every action contained within the form as though you were fighting an adversary and then you will be able to use each action effectively whether in training or in actual fighting because your mind and your body will have spent many hours performing those actions and they come naturally to you.

So to summarize and expand upon what I have just said, I train people with a clear progression from 1 technique, 2 form, 3 applied technique 4 sparring and then 5 shadow boxing.

Shadow boxing must come last because unless a person has experienced violent fighting or at least sparring it is very difficult for them to truly grasp how they would react under those conditions.

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#409346 - 01/19/10 09:27 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Skjalandir]
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Originally Posted By: Skjalandir
I used to be friends with a 6'8 Lithuanian guy who was pretty much a giant. He once got hit by a taser from a man in a car he was walking past. He once got attacked by a man with a car wrench, and one time which is going to prove the real exception to what you just said, he was attacked by a fat 16 year old boy whilst the Lithuanian walked with me and THREE other guys. Of course, he kicked the boy in the face and levelled him and we just carried on walking, but you would be surprised how many tough people are attacked against the odds!

I did just notice you said you are not 100% confident with English, though, so maybe just treat my post as a story, not a contradiction. Perhaps you meant in 'most' situations that a person attacks a weaker person. blush


It does increase your odds of avoiding to be attacked to act like the stronger of the two. But the way you're describing it sounds like your friend met some really fucked up people. That happens too. I would imagine your friend has been rejected by quite alot of "attackers" considering how many fights he has already been in.

Anyways I wasn't there when it happened but it sounds like your friend really gave him (the fat 16 year old boy) a bit more than necessary. Perhaps a bitchslap would have done the job just as well, it sounded like that boy had never been in a fight before, considering the target he chose.
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#409347 - 01/19/10 09:42 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Herr_S]
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Yeah I cut a few corners in the tale. There was a good 5 minutes of him taking punches from the kid and saying 'look mate, this is stupid back the fuck off' and us all stood watching shaking our heads in disbelief. I think the boot to the face was just a much needed full stop in the end, and it saved him having to crouch down to get a punch in.

The REAL punchline though was when he met the kid at a family party and it turned out to be his cousin!
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#409355 - 01/19/10 11:12 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: TECHNO]
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Originally Posted By: SomethingLikEvil


Generally, unless you build the techniques of a martial art, not the forms, into muscle memory, they are almost worthless in a real fight.

Muscle memory, for those who don't know, is the constant repetition of a technique (be it painting, writing music, anything that takes practice really) so that you need not think about it anymore, it happens automatically when needed which allows the mind to improvise if called for, allowing the individual to think on their feet.



Here is my take on forms training.

I think that they are basically a good way of training certain techniques and movements into your muscle memory but must not be taken as 'when fighting this is what you must always do'.

In my experience forms training is generally a way to introduce new techniques as a student progresses.
"These are the new techniques you will be learning and to make it easy for you to remember the new techniques they have been organized into a sequence for you to commit to memory"

Muscle memory works like this; perform an action enough times and eventually it will become instinct.
Once a student becomes has become familiar with the new techniques then it is time to expand upon what they know so that they can instinctively use that technique in an effective manner.

An analogy I like to make is comparing forms training to shadow boxing. Commit yourself to each and every action contained within the form as though you were fighting an adversary and then you will be able to use each action effectively whether in training or in actual fighting because your mind and your body will have spent many hours performing those actions and they come naturally to you.

So to summarize and expand upon what I have just said, I train people with a clear progression from 1 technique, 2 form, 3 applied technique 4 sparring and then 5 shadow boxing.

Shadow boxing must come last because unless a person has experienced violent fighting or at least sparring it is very difficult for them to truly grasp how they would react under those conditions.


I thought that was just what I said about muscle memory, you just shortened how I defined it. In the Army, we do a Helluva lot of training, which builds, well, muscle memory.

As far as forms go. When you practice forms, or even sparring, you are doing so with someone else who is also trained in the same style, this is not going to be true in a real fight.

It is of my opinion that by training in a form, and building it to muscle memory, you will essentially go into a form when confronted in real life. I say this only because I have seen it happen, and the martial artist got his ass handed to him on a silver platter.

By practicing a technique, not a form, you isolate that technique and will not have to worry about the potential of going into a form. Training in specific techniques with a partner can help, however, for obvious reasons.

But honestly, you will never have time to think about, and perform a certain technique in a street fight, so it all comes down to doing whatever it takes to get away as little harmed as possible.

Again, my opinions, I am not trying to contridict what you are saying.
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#409400 - 01/19/10 04:11 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Herr_S]
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Originally Posted By: Herr_S
It does increase your odds of avoiding to be attacked to act like the stronger of the two. But the way you're describing it sounds like your friend met some really fucked up people.


Another thing to consider is that masochism is often a motivation in picking a fight with someone. Although they’ll never consciously admit to it, some people really aren't looking to win. What they’re looking for, is an executioner.
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#409407 - 01/19/10 04:59 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: John Prophet]
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and some people are simply self-destructive,either consciously or subconsciously.
And,some people are just stupid.
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#409525 - 01/20/10 01:39 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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Originally Posted By: Liberterius
And I know martial arts are also often popular among Satanists, again including myself, for ability to defend oneself, the ritualistic/"in the zone" power and all.


Yep. I used to take classes and go to tournaments but after realizing that most of martial art schools nowadays are teaching for good shows during competitions, I quit going.

Martial Arts should be for survival not for competitions where you get scored by looking good.

Originally Posted By: Liberterius
Does any sort of specifically Satanic martial art exist? Or do we generally go by learning a mix of whatever we like best and is most effective?


In my opinion, the only Satanic Martial Arts that exist are the martial arts you find to be effective.

The second question is the right answer. Just learn what is most effective and if you want to, mix some styles.

Like Bruce Lee always said;

Originally Posted By: Bruce Lee

A style is no style.


Meaning that it is just a made up system of moves for the person who made them up. (my opinion also)
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#409535 - 01/20/10 02:39 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: SomethingLikEvil]
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Originally Posted By: SomethingLikEvil

As far as forms go. When you practice forms, or even sparring, you are doing so with someone else who is also trained in the same style, this is not going to be true in a real fight.


True, that's why I cross spar against some of the other trainers of different styles at my gym whenever I get the chance. The aim of my post was really more to give my opinion on why I think forms training came to be included in martial arts styles and how I treat them in relation to training others in my style (Southern Style Shaolin 5 Animals Gong Fu), not to try and show that I know best or whatever lol.

Have you met any of those guys who think that their style is the best and so they don't need to learn from anyone else because nothing else can beat their style? I beleive those are usually the types who get their ass handed to them on the street.

I like to think that there is no 'best style' but there can be a best fighter and he is the one who is still standing after the fight.

As for the rest, you made some very good points and I am happy to have read them and participated in this discussion.
While do I have some nasty scars attesting to some of the more violent street fights I have been in I have not been in the military so I am always keen to discuss and learn training methodology of those who train for combat.

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#409578 - 01/21/10 12:51 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: LordofDarkness]
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Originally Posted By: LordOfDarkness
Martial Arts should be for survival not for competitions where you get scored by looking good.


Just listen to the name, Martial Arts. It's an artform. Any martial art you learn wont do shit for you in a real situations. In real situations there will be 2 or more against you, there will be kicks in the groin, there will be knifes and guns. What you want to learn is a self-defence technique. I recommend Krav Maga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7hc_uJZnN0


Edited by Herr_S (01/21/10 12:51 AM)
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#410178 - 01/26/10 01:52 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Herr_S]
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Originally Posted By: Herr_S
Originally Posted By: LordOfDarkness
Martial Arts should be for survival not for competitions where you get scored by looking good.


Just listen to the name, Martial Arts. It's an artform. Any martial art you learn wont do shit for you in a real situations. In real situations there will be 2 or more against you, there will be kicks in the groin, there will be knifes and guns. What you want to learn is a self-defence technique. I recommend Krav Maga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7hc_uJZnN0


Thank you. I'll look into that.
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#411523 - 02/07/10 09:37 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: SomethingLikEvil]
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Originally Posted By: SomethingLikEvil
Muscle memory, for those who don't know, is the constant repitition of a technique (be it painting, writing music, anything that takes practice really) so that you need not think about it anymore, it happens automatically when needed which allows the mind to improvise if called for, allowing the individual to think on their feet.


The above caught my eye because my Shihan never stops talking about muscle memory. He has us do these spparring routines called ippon again and again. One guy is the attacker - the uke - and the other is the receiver - the tori. They do the ippon, say, ten times and then switch roles. It's the tori (receiver) who is doing the main technique. The point is for the tori to burn the moves into muscle memory and with proper timing, smoothly and without thinking about it.
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#411534 - 02/07/10 11:25 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Machismo]
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There is an interesting point about how to fight in a book called "How To Drive a Tank" by Frank Coles - he spent some time trying to find out various things, such as how survive in a fight, how to do J-turns, etc, all sorts of interesting stuff, and he finally came to the conclusion that your best bet in self-defence was to GLF - Go Like F*ck. If someone insists on attacking you (assuming they haven't got a knife or a gun) then you simply lay into them with everything you've got. There's a bit more to it than that, and he does cover muscle-memory training in the sense of repetetive training, but that's the basic essence of it.

I personally found boxing training to be exceptionally good for myself, as even though I never got to sparring with a person, I did so much pad- and bag-work that I had very good reflexes and a mean right hook, and knew how to use them! It also increased my fitness levels, I really must look into getting some equipment for home use so that I can retrain myself and get back into it.

Sadly, I lament the illegality of handguns in the UK, it does leave one vulnerable to the criminals who continue to use them. Thankfully, I live in a nice, quiet area these days.

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#412045 - 02/11/10 02:04 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Liberterius]
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In a proper fight, I use combinations of boxing, judo, wing chun and ninjitsu.
Boxing for when I'm faster and bigger, Judo for when I'm outnumbered, wing chun for when the fight needs a quick ending and ninjitsu for the element of surprise.

I rarely get into fights.

The study of these sports are a trip in itself and good for the mind and body.

But, I've always advocated this rule;
Learn how to fight, so when the time comes; you won't have to.
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#412442 - 02/14/10 12:32 AM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: JanusFaust]
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"Krav Maga" - allows to inflict serious injury if the enemy attacks first.
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#413466 - 02/21/10 10:17 PM Re: Satanic Combat Sciences? [Re: Marko]
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If posting a week after the last post counts as gravedigging, I apologize, I just wanted to add my 2 cents since I saw this topic a while ago but couldn't post since I had some issues with my account.

I agree with Marko and Herr_S. If there's a martial art that can be considered harmonious with the Satanic philosophy, it's Krav Maga. The entire system is designed to allow you to use your body, and whatever might be lying around, as brutally and efficiently as possible in order to incapacitate or deter attackers as quickly as possible. Basically "get the job done, in whatever way is necessary."

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