#410211 - 01/26/10 09:58 AM
Does Insincere Flattery Work?
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During college I worked at a beauty supply store. A co-worker used to gush and gush at customers about how PRETTY they were regardless of whether or not it was true. It was so ridiculously over-the-top, so absurdly animated, that it sounded more snarky than flattering to me. Ingratiation just grates on my nerves though. After one of these performances, when the customer was safely out of earshot and the gal's facial expressions relaxed back into flat-affect-boredom, I asked her if she thought all of that really worked. "Oh, you'd be surprised." Flattery Will Get You FarHere at Scientific American we understand the wisdom of our readership. Your intellect sets you apart from the rest of the population, and we are gracious to have you as visitors to this website. As someone of exceptional judgment, we know you will be interested in subscribing to our exclusive online material, appropriate for only the most discerning intellectuals, and available to you for only $9.99/month.
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#410218 - 01/26/10 11:17 AM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
[Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Genuine compliments from certain people have the ability to render me totally speechless (and anyone who's read my endless yattering posts knows just how remarkable that is). But obvious, graceless, gratuitous flattery is irksome because I have to puzzle out what's actually being said and why. Figure out the angle as they say in Miller's Crossing. It never seems to have anything to do with me. It usually says more about the person saying it than it does about me. Know what I mean, jelly bean? Of course, insincere flattery is never used here; 
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#410226 - 01/26/10 11:43 AM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
[Re: Grigorios]
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I agree! It can be very effective on a lot of people. I also think my reaction is kind of common -- "Oh I never fall for that stuff!" I posted the article though because it says that insincere flattery may also work on the smart cookies in the crowd. The folks who know exactly what's going on. ... awareness of when we’re being put on may not be enough to curb the effectiveness of insincerity... What this research suggests, however, is that the implicit positivity we experience as a result of viewing these images could play an important role in what we reach for when standing in the liquor store staring at a freezer full of cheap beer. You may not know why, but you’d feel pretty good about a Bud right now. And while you feel certain to you that your preference is not due to those silly ads (just like it might seem obvious to a manager that they didn’t promote a candidate because he brings her donuts every morning), perhaps it is the certainty with which we dismiss these kinds of manipulative and deceptive appeals that allows them to hold such sway. Food for thought. 
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#410230 - 01/26/10 11:56 AM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
[Re: Shade]
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But obvious, graceless, gratuitous flattery is irksome because I have to puzzle out what's actually being said and why. Figure out the angle as they say in Miller's Crossing. It never seems to have anything to do with me. It usually says more about the person saying it than it does about me. Know what I mean, jelly bean? I do know what you mean! And I do hate having to puzzle out the underlying meaning of a compliment or "compliment." The most annoying thing is when some repressed and/or subconsciously passive aggressive person gushingly compliments me on something that I suspect they actually find irritating, offensive, or just strange and confusing. If my sense is that they are trying to force themselves into a cheerful, tolerant, or charitable state of mind, I just feel embarrassed for them, and I wish they wouldn't bother. If I confuse or ruffle you, then I confuse or ruffle you! Of course, I really don't like passive-aggression, either, and once again, I really wish you'd keep your damn mouth shut, or actually insult me in earnest. I think if you want your compliments to really hit home, they have to be few and far between ( especially the gushy ones), and largely focused on the things that the person already sees and values in himself or herself. I surely don't trust the person who is ALWAYS cartoonishly gooshing over my appearance any further than I can toss 'er left-handed (because a man who does that is trying to get laid, and a woman who does that is probably being a passive-aggressive bitch). But, I am always gracious when I accepting compliments, even the ones I suspect are bullshit  .
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#410231 - 01/26/10 11:56 AM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
[Re: Shade]
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Dale Carnegie would have a lot to say about this.
Sincere flattery works wonders. Faked and inflated flattery will get you comments behind your back - brownnoser.
If I am not fond of someone I will either hold my tongue or find something that I truly do find impressive about the person that I can honestly separate my dislike of them from my respect for their trait/talent/knowledge/etc.. It works if you can truly show an appreciation for what you have picked out to highlight.
Of course flattery works best when you genuinely like the person. But that is usually difficult.
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#410237 - 01/26/10 12:51 PM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
[Re: TrojZyr]
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Of course, I really don't like passive-aggression, either, and once again, I really wish you'd keep your damn mouth shut, or actually insult me in earnest. Big pet peeve of mine too! As horribly sexist as this sounds, I characterize passive-aggression as a Woman -- says one thing, means another. It's sooooooo tedious. I always prefer to just know what's what. I want to know what people mean. Which doesn't seem to be as straightforward a task as it was when I was younger. I am always gracious when I accepting compliments, even the ones I suspect are bullshit  . Absolutely! I never like the thought of people having so much sway over me that they can change who I am. And I'm not rude, damnit. 
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“Up where the smoke is all billered and curled 'Tween pavement and stars is the chimney sweep world When there's 'ardly no day nor 'ardly no night There's things 'alf in shadow and 'alfway in light" ~ The New Christy Minstrels
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#410241 - 01/26/10 01:30 PM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
[Re: TrojZyr]
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But, I am always gracious when I accepting compliments, even the ones I suspect are bullshit Well for me that would depend on the circumstance. Obviously if someone is bullshitting me sometimes I'll go along with it but more often than not I always ask them why they are saying what they are. Sometimes there's an agenda behind such bullshit and my experience has proven to be on your guard in such circumstances.
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#410252 - 01/26/10 02:15 PM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
[Re: Favenris]
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Does insincere flattery work... does telling people what they want to hear work.... Well, what else is Lesser Magic? Amen to that. The whole economy is based on flattery when it comes to sales. It is simply amazing to see what flattery can do if you manage to keep a straight face. Hell, if you are endowed enough you can let people buy the biggest bullshit.
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#410259 - 01/26/10 03:27 PM
Re: Does Insincere Flattery Work?
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and, I damn well know six inches when I see it, so I can't be as hung as I have been told. Oh Rooster, thank you for this visual. 
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