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#410715 - 01/30/10 10:47 AM Moving into the future and the new epoch
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I am curious as to everyone's opinion on this so please, all points of view are welcome...

Lately I have been enthusiastically vocalizing my joy (within reason, to anyone who will listen) at the fact that in my opinion we are living in 'the future'.

Obviously I am aware of the fact that we are in fact living in the present, but if we look at almost any piece of 'science fiction' from anywhere between 10-100 years ago it could be said that many (ideas, hypothesis, fantasies) have in fact become reality.

Ok so now that I have my point of view established, I would like to express my discomfort at having to describe our current epoch with an 'abrahamic' descriptor...

I love the fact that 2010 sounds fantastically futuristic but frankly it rubs the wrong way with me, even when coupled with the 'CE' (Common Era) suffix.

While it would be lovely for XLIV to become the active descriptor, I would think that 20 000 CE (approx) would be more accurate...

Now, my question here is;

What does anyone participating in this forum think about how the next epoch of man will be referenced in time and calendars?

Do people here believe that in another hundred years, time will still be reference by abrahamic/judeo/christian constraints?

If so, why?

If not, how do you imagine that society will mark the passing of years?


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#410724 - 01/30/10 12:44 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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"The millennium: The death of rock 'n' roll."
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#410740 - 01/30/10 02:49 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: M.D. Roche]
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Originally Posted By: MALFORM
"The millennium: The death of rock 'n' roll."


The death of music period.
That God awful "Shots" song by LMFAO is up for a Grammy.
Lady GaGa rules the world.
Nearly 90% of the music in ALL genres (aside from country which is now just pop/rock rejects+a steel guitar) use Auto-Tune.
Yeah,music pretty much blows it from the back these days.
You have to search the past to find something good.


And now some semantics!
Present is technically a single instant in a measurement of time.By the time you've said something it has already become the past.The present is just a threshold that once you go over it,you are in either future or past. . .

(that was somewhat of a joke,just in case I didn't illustrate that very well)
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#410742 - 01/30/10 03:25 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: ArtAche86
Lady GaGa rules the world.


I don't know, I find some of her songs rather catchy. I'm convinced pop music was designed by scientists (or magicians) to attach itself to the minds of anyone who hears it, like some kind of parasite. The songs never seem to get out of your head until you buy the album and listen to it over and over again, or until you put a drill through your brain, Pi style. I prefer the latter.


Edited by MALFORM (01/30/10 03:28 PM)
Edit Reason: Let's have some fun, this beat is sick--I wanna take a ride on your disco stick!
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#410743 - 01/30/10 03:33 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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I am not the least bit blase or jaded about the astounding technological advances I read about every single day now.

They're coming so thick and fast that I live in a state of continual wonder and amazement. People who take all this for granted as "so what?", are possessed of a mind state so dull and dead I simply cannot grasp it.

I mention regularly to assorted people in my life, exactly what you have said, in pretty much the same way using the same words: "we are living in the future". And yes. "2010" as the year still has an unreal feeling to it... It feels like "the future" in every way.

Except for one.

Human nature, as evidenced by my daily interactions with others, and as evidenced by every news story, is exactly as it was when Aristotle nailed it thousands of years ago.

Zero change there.

What will be fascinating to watch unfold will be the intersection of an essentially Bronze Age mindset using uber-futuristic tools and toys...

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#410744 - 01/30/10 04:21 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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In a far future our times will be known as "The Era of Bullshit".

The time where Technology democratized communications to the point EVERYONE could express his opinion and position to millions, regardless of qualification.

In the past, a small minority controlled the spread of information and ideas. It was too hard for the average simpleton to find more than a dozen people who would listen to his drivel.

Now that is gone. Any moron with the right hardware can obtain the same level of attention than your traditional news organization.

The concept of “qualifications” and “experience” have disappeared. Anyone can stand on the soapbox and scream to the world and his uneducated opinion will have the same weight than the opinion of a scholar who spent half a life studding the topic.

In a sort of counter-evolution, the dumbest and more entertaining ideas will find receptive listeners and the informed but boring information will be drown in a sea of trivial, useless data.

As data is manipulated, the respect for original creation will be lost. The mediocre would feel entitled to the right to edit and modify the work of previous generations. They will claim to be updating the masterpieces of the past to make them accessible to the public of the new Era.

The works of Shakespeare and Goethe’ would be translated to Netspeak and/or the vulgar gutter talk of the streets. The Mona Lisa will be re-rendered in 3D, made spin and sing to your favorite personalized soundtrack. Lolcats will appear in the background of Ruben’s and Rembrandt’s paintings. If someone finds his offensive, his voice will be silenced by the overwhelming majority of drones who welcomed the “improvement” when if flashed for a fraction of a second on theirs screens, among the swirl of million other visual and audible stimuli that barely keeps their brains awake.

The whole cultural inheritance of Mankind will slowly dilute to nothing, drowning into a vast sea of irrelevant memes and two-paragraph essays.

So we will reach the point when EVERYBODY can say anything… but nobody has ANYTHING to say.


Edited by Daark (01/30/10 11:16 PM)
Edit Reason: Dammit pig, proofread your spelling! ;-)
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#410749 - 01/30/10 06:24 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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Originally Posted By: Old_Pig

So we will reach the point when EVERYBODY can say anything… but nobody has ANYTHING to say.


Youtube. . .enough said.

As for technological advancements and living in the "future",I have this to say:
I can remember playing "Donkey Kong Country" on the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and thinking it could never get any better.
I can remember leaving the controller on the floor to enjoy the computer using the WIN95 OS.
Then came the Playstation,with its beautiful (somewhat squared) 3-dimensional graphics,completely MINDBLOWN.This technology couldn't have gotten any better in the next 5 years. . .could it?
Windows 98,ME,XP,etc.
PS2,Xbox,Xbox360,PS3. . .

We are advancing so fast it's hard to keep up.I can remember the Nokia phones,and now we have the IPhone!

People are practically spending their entire days living in the virutal world.Some people even feel the need to share every bowel movement on "Twitter".

As we advance further in the world of technology,and the population finds itsself there as well,we find ourselves in an ever evolving virtual world.Just like the organic world before it,with its skyscrapers and advancements,the idiots flock too its biggest achievements.

It's a double edged sword,yes.At least in this world we have the WONDERFUL luxury of a block,and even better a DELETE button!!!
In the organic world we can ignore people and their blind ignorance.But in the virtual world,we can more easily avoid them. . .

I love the world we live in now.I'm only twenty-three years old and I already have "Back in my day" moments prepared for my soon-to-be two year old son.

All Hail the Future and the Now!Let us not forget the past. . .
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#410752 - 01/30/10 06:50 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: ArtAche86]
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The death of music period.
That God awful "Shots" song by LMFAO is up for a Grammy.
Lady GaGa rules the world.
Nearly 90% of the music in ALL genres (aside from country which is now just pop/rock rejects+a steel guitar) use Auto-Tune.
Yeah,music pretty much blows it from the back these days.
You have to search the past to find something good.

At least Lady Gaga is original. Not to mention all of her songs are ten times better than any Britney Spears crap, or any other pop "star" for that matter.

Auto-tune was invented for a pragmatic use, and since it has been abused like no other. The idea is to "round off the edges" of vocal tracks, not make you sound like a fucking robot. T-Pain is probably the most famous example of this shit. But I really don't care. If someone can manage to use Auto-tune without me noticing, kudos to them.

While the past certainly does have a shit ton of great music, it is just plain ignorant to say there is no good music today. If you searched long enough you'd find quite a few gems. Last year Cannibal Corpse released their greatest album to date, Jack White formed a new band called The Dead Weather that are already in the works of a second album, The Mars Volta, plus a whole myriad of other bands/artists you've never heard of before.

As for the future, we are most definitely living in it. Our growth is out-running our imagination. There will be a time, very soon, where it will be hard to tell if reality is mimicking art, or if art is mimicking reality. And of course the two love to intersect ever so often.

Automatic doors, cell phones, and MRI's would not exist if it weren't for the inspiration of Star Trek. What will we think up next? wink

Human nature, I am sure, will more or less stay the same for many many years to come. The only way I can see any significant shift from "greed/instinct" to "intelligence/thoughtfulness" is if in the act of colonizing space we somehow manage to shift the population ratios; from a majority of idiots to a majority of individual thinkers who are able to intellectualize the vital importance of mutual admiration and growth.

Until then our species will remain a bloody cluster-fuck.
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#410763 - 01/30/10 08:38 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: NapalmNick]
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I enjoyed Old_Pig's and NapalmNick's replies on here, I know what they mean. A bit dreary and pessimistic however, no offense, so I'll try keep my reply fun and optimistic.^^

In regards to timelines, epochs and ages. There is quite a lot of info about it having did a quick wiki and google. We are currently in the Information Age of the Post-Modern Era. I myself have personally questioned a different global calender as opposed to the current Gregorian calender which has opted for the origin to be Jesus Christ's birth... booooring. At first I imagined starting from the release date of Charles Darwin's book The Origin Of Species by Natural Selection. That be kind of cool, but it's too early. There have been many global events over the course of recorded history all deserving of recognition to be applied to a modern global calender (I mean like sciences and discoveries, not wars and conquering).

In regards to Anno Satanas, I kind of think that's just for us, don't particularly want to share that with anyone else. But to answer your two questions TECHNO, for your second I think we will still have the gregorian calender for quite some time still, but I think we are getting closer to inventing a new timeline origin for the global calender in comparison to becoming more distant and detached of the Common Era origin.

Sorry for reversing your questions, it's late, but to answer your first: How will our next epoch/age be referenced as? From the Information Age I reckon realistically we may possibly move into something to do with China maybe? A new Space Age (Planetary Age?) We only landed on the Moon so far and many countries are talking of landing humans on Mars around 2050, that seems plausible. Hydrogen technology (hydrogen automobiles and from there hydrogen aviation)? I'm not a tree hugger and love a good 500+ horse power sports car as much as the next guy but Hydrogen fuel is cool!

Looking at a list of the past dozen recent Ages, they seem to jump between times of Art, War and Sciences. Hopefully it won't be a World War III, but I have a feeling that (optimistically) we will notice our over-obsession with the meanderings of our Twitter Age we will fuse back to some kind of tangible Art form? *Muse*

On a fun level, in regards to The Future, what is in our imaginations but hasn't been viably made or invented yet or still being researched and tested for new answers and discoveries: Nano Technology (Nanotech Age), Water cities (Oceanic Age), Regenerative medicine and Stem Cell (Regen Age), Quantum computers and hydron collider (Quantum Age).

Do I feel we are in the future, I would certainly place myself as a futurist and one who looks forward to what the future has in store for us, and what we have in store for it. Clearly I probably won't see it in my lifetime but at least I can see my own future and make it feel and be futuristic.

We live in a very exciting and pivotal time I think where so many new emerging ideas still too young to have fully matured in peoples minds for the moral zeitgeist to proceed: Natural Selection, Fractals, Quantum Physics, Medicine. I know there is a lot of shit that runs parallel with it (the herd), yes, but I see the glass half full and NOT blindingly expecting it on faith and hope, expecting the entire huamn race to join hands and move! But acknowledging the individuals with merit of sciences and arts of our time.

Anyways... those are my opinions TECHNO... fun topic.^^
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#410764 - 01/30/10 08:38 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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I think this will be called the dawn of the digital era. They'll most likely pinpoint it at 2000, because historians like things that end in zeros. But as the Industrial Revolution was only the preface to the industrial era, the iPads and intermajigs that seem so amazing today are just an experiment, a flirtation with the potential of borgification and blogging. Whatever überVRML like state the world is going to be for the next millenium, this is a glimpse at it but by no means the fruition of it.

In a sense, this is the most interesting time a human being can live in. Like the beginning of the industrial or stone or bronze age or renaissance- We get to see all the things that will be, but also the things that won't quite make it. The e-versions of 50 winged airplanes or radium baby bottles.

See "Gizmo".
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#410768 - 01/30/10 09:12 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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"Do people here believe that in another hundred years, time will still be reference by abrahamic/judeo/christian constraints?"

Depends on who is in power and who is concerned with it at that time.

"If so, why?"

Because might is right!
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#410773 - 01/30/10 09:57 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: ArtAche86]
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LOL, no I get it your joke and found it quite amusing

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#410776 - 01/30/10 10:43 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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Originally Posted By: Old_Pig
In the past, a small minority controlled the spread of information and ideas. It was too hard for the average simpleton to find more than a dozen people who would listen to his drivel...

...Now that is gone. Any moron with the right hardware can obtain the same level of attention than your traditional news organization.

In a sort of counter-evolution, the dumbest and more entertaining ideas will find receptive listeners and the informed but boring information will be drown in a sea of trivial, useless data.


That is true but I'd say it is the lesser of two evils if we consider that the other option is state and corporate controlled media.

At least intelligent and enlightened individuals have the right to seek out and share information and opinions (in the west at least) without being forced to accept only what those in power choose to disseminate.

I'd rather sift through the mud to feast on the occasional truffle that be forced to have shit shoved down my throat all day.

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#410779 - 01/30/10 11:20 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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Originally Posted By: Old_Pig
The time where Technology democratized communications to the point EVERYONE could express his opinion and position to millions, regardless of qualification.

In the past, a small minority controlled the spread of information and ideas. It was too hard for the average simpleton to find more than a dozen people who would listen to his drivel.

Now that is gone. Any moron with the right hardware can obtain the same level of attention than your traditional news organization.

The concept of “qualifications” and “experience” have disappeared. Anyone can stand on the soapbox and scream to the world and his uneducated opinion will have the same weight than the opinion of a scholar who spent half a life studding the topic.

In a sort of counter-evolution, the dumbest and more entertaining ideas will find receptive listeners and the informed but boring information will be drown in a sea of trivial, useless data.


It seems this way at first glance; however I’ve noticed that stratification is still alive and well even in these “technology democratized” times. While it’s true that everyone now has a voice, that is not enough to really count for anything. For it to really matter, you need more than a voice; you need for people to listen to you. And to have any significant number of people listen to you, for any length of time that would matter, is still very challenging. While it's true that the occasional idiot gets lucky and has his five minutes of fame, (and this kind of thing was happening long before the existence of current information technology) people still have a tendency to give their attention to people who actually have something to say. Even though the average simpleton can find more than a dozen people to listen to them now, the number of people necessary for it to matter has grown as well. The whole “game” is bigger now.

I would argue that this new information technology has helped with stratification because it’s easier to compare everyone as they scream from their soapboxes. There is still in element of “credibility” in regards to obtaining long-term viewership of any kind.

I also think that communication technology is bound to get more centralized as time goes on. Things have been a little bit like the Wild West for a few years now and of course the irresponsible idiots out there love it. But I think that will (and is) beginning to change. The savvier, more intelligent and more ambitious individuals and organizations out there will find a way to accumulate more power over this landscape of information and ideas as they always do. Where there are people to be influenced, where there is money to be made and power to be had, there can be no equality. Nothing even close to it. The principles of Darwinism will apply to information technology just as it does to everything else, much to the dismay of the mediocre masses who believe that they have a right to a “voice”.

Just like in times past, the real issue has never been having a voice or the ability to communicate something; the challenge has always been to get a willing audience. And it’s always the individuals or organizations who have the most money, power or who are the best promoters, who are able to do that. This new information technology has just made for a much larger game with many more players. It hasn’t changed the rules.
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#410781 - 01/31/10 12:01 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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Originally Posted By: TECHNO
Originally Posted By: Old_Pig
In the past, a small minority controlled the spread of information and ideas. It was too hard for the average simpleton to find more than a dozen people who would listen to his drivel...

...Now that is gone. Any moron with the right hardware can obtain the same level of attention than your traditional news organization.

In a sort of counter-evolution, the dumbest and more entertaining ideas will find receptive listeners and the informed but boring information will be drown in a sea of trivial, useless data.


That is true but I'd say it is the lesser of two evils if we consider that the other option is state and corporate controlled media.


Says who?

Tell me why, in your opinion, the alternative to today's mediocre and populist media has to be a "state and corporate controlled" one.

Also, how do you know the kind of media we have right now is not ALREADY "state and corporate controlled"?
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#410783 - 01/31/10 01:45 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: PsychOff]
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Pessimistic? Well, I certainly don't see it that way. I've come to describe my worldview as being cynical optimism. I'm very excited about MY future. It's just the rest of you that are fucked. grin

As for a new calendar, I propose stardates. cool

This video has a little more-than-obvious Marxist tinge to it, but I think it explains a lot about humanity and our relationship to our technology (the key to the future).
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#410788 - 01/31/10 02:48 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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Originally Posted By: Old_Pig

Tell me why, in your opinion, the alternative to today's mediocre and populist media has to be a "state and corporate controlled" one.

Also, how do you know the kind of media we have right now is not ALREADY "state and corporate controlled"?


Haha Well I think that your second question is answered by your first question.

I.e I do indeed think that that the kind of (mass) media we have today is under state and corporate control. Which is why I am quite selective in those potions in which I choose to partake in.

My reasoning is thus;

Aside from state and corporate controlled media, there is the option of independent publishing (if there is another option please enlighten me) the very thing you seemed to be railing against in your initial reply to my topic...

With independent publishing comes varying degrees of quality wouldn't you agree?

If you want to regulate the quality of media being published it would require some kind regulatory body such as State control or Industry (read corporate) self regulation.

So, while I am happy to support any independent publication which I deem to be of decent quality I also know that I may have to observe a lot of crap to find the good stuff.

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#410789 - 01/31/10 02:50 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: NapalmNick]
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Originally Posted By: NapalmNick
I'm very excited about MY future. It's just the rest of you that are fucked. grin


It’s often occurred to me that that’s how I view things as well (meaning my own future, of course). grin
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#410794 - 01/31/10 03:43 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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Originally Posted By: TECHNO
If you want to regulate the quality of media being published it would require some kind regulatory body such as State control or Industry (read corporate) self regulation.


I personally disagree with that.

I don’t think for a system to be balanced there has to be some kind of “regulator” supervising it.

I get the same when I talk about “stratification”. The first thing they tell me is “but who is going to be in charge of deciding who belongs in each level”.

My answer is nobody.

In a stratified society the levels form naturally. The ones with leadership potential will take charge and the sheep will follow. There is no need for someone deciding who will be Alfa and who will be Beta.

It’s the way evolution works. The hardest life becomes, the stronger the surviving species are. When life becomes too easy, even the unfit get to reproduce and the species weakens.

I think one of the reasons for the general drop in art quality is there are too many artificial “controls” in place. An example of that are some programs that help artists get exposure and sponsorship based on their ethnic background and sexual orientation instead of the quality of their work.

Another example is the so called "political correctness" rules imposed on the media, which guarantee no form of humor is possible, because practically any joke will be offensive for some particular group somewhere.

Equality produces mediocrity and we are living in the golden age of both.

Of course, waters always return to their proper level. I’m optimistic something will son happen and inject a little revitalizing chaos in the system.
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#410798 - 01/31/10 05:57 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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I appreciate and respect what you are saying and I really don't wish to argue just for arguments sake but...

I also feel as though you have kind of side-stepped my rebuttal.


You originally stated;

Originally Posted By: Old_Pig


The whole cultural inheritance of Mankind will slowly dilute to nothing, drowning into a vast sea of irrelevant memes and two-paragraph essays.

So we will reach the point when EVERYBODY can say anything… but nobody has ANYTHING to say.


My point still stands that although there is a lot of crap being published out there, there is also much worthy material out there being published for those who wish to seek it out.

And if you believe that the market will be regulated by the audience then I don't see why you should be so pessimistic because there will always be a market for connoisseurs.


Edited by TECHNO (01/31/10 06:06 AM)
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#410799 - 01/31/10 06:54 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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When life becomes too easy, even the unfit get to reproduce and the species weakens.


I have got to ask, unfit for what? Hunting lions on the savannah? Designing integrated circuits? Producing quality entertainment?

The unit of natural selection is the gene, which usually changes on time spans which are geologic in scope. Group selection is a 19th century myth.

I for one don't see any difference between now and 10 millenia ago, as far as human behavior is concerned. Most people born today are average, they work for their masters for a little and need to be entertained for the rest of the time.

Most of civilization, any civilization, is geared toward distraction. And oh what myriad ways to distract people there have been, from religion, to warfare, to starvation; but none so cheap as the internet. The internet is to humans like a mirror is to a parrot. It is also a useful tool for stratification.

So many people broadcasting their stupidity for potential employers to see, law enforcement to see, etc., just begging to be negatively selected for. Hopefully the internet will be around for a few hundred thousand years. Then we will see some serious stratification, on a genetic level. Then again maybe not, only time will tell.
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#410802 - 01/31/10 07:27 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: ArtAche86
The death of music period. [...]
Yeah,music pretty much blows it from the back these days.
You have to search the past to find something good.

People have been saying that for generations. The past eras that you consider to be full of "good" music where also considered the new eras of "bad" music by people older than you. But I'd say there's still good music being made these days. You just have to be more active in searching for it, instead of expecting the radio and television to bring it to you.

What's always happened though, is that music has become increasingly cheaper and easier to make. Musical instruments, musician networking, and especially recording gear are always becoming better and cheaper. The $2000 effects unit that John Lennon used for recording Abbey Road, is something I can find in a $50 pedal today. You can set up a home studio for under $500 and make recordings that rival what the Beatles had to work with.

The catch of course is that virtually anybody now can make an album with little effort. So not surprisingly, there's a sea of mediocre and downright horrible stuff out there. Fortunately technology has also made it easier to seek out the "good" stuff. Some people are already doing the work for you. wink
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#410803 - 01/31/10 07:36 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
Bill_M Offline
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Originally Posted By: TECHNO
What does anyone participating in this forum think about how the next epoch of man will be referenced in time and calendars?

No, I don't see the CE standard changing anytime soon. It's much too integrated into computer programs, travel, and businesses.

It's not like this is the only secular standard we've adopted that originated with religion. The days of the week are named after pagan gods (Tuesday=Tyr, Wednesday=Woden, Thursday=Thor, etc.)

Some things we're just stuck with. Take the keyboard in front of you, for example. The only reason why the letters are laid out like that is because the keyboard is what replaced the typewriter, which has the letters arranged like that. And the only reason for that, is because on the first typewriters, the little hammers would often get caught on each other. So to help avoid this, more common letters were spaced apart. Even though computer keyboards don't use mechanical hammers, we're still stuck with the design, because it would have been way to inconvenient and difficult to have typewriter users learn a completely new layout.

A while back somebody invented the Dvorak keyboard for computers, which has the letters laid out differently so that typing common words is much faster. But again, trying to get everybody to switch to that would be too difficult.
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#410809 - 01/31/10 09:14 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Bill_M]
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Take the keyboard in front of you, for example.

The QWERTY phenomenon.
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#410816 - 01/31/10 12:14 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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The iPhone is a double edged sword. So many great practical uses and yet everyone around me spends most of the moments of their day with their head hanging, slack jawed, drooling over their touchscreen ignoring the world around them.

The iPhone, like anything else needs to be kept at a respectable professional distance where its uses are benefitted from, but we discipline ourselves as magicians to actually PUT IT DOWN. Read a book. Write a song, and make our world.

(But if you want to be a self entertained delusional Mugwump being drained of potential...the iPhone's a fun way to do that too!)

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#410817 - 01/31/10 12:26 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Bill_M]
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Originally Posted By: Bill_M
People have been saying that for generations. The past eras that you consider to be full of "good" music where also considered the new eras of "bad" music by people older than you.


Good point! I've never thought of it like that before.

It seems my third-side has a little brushing up to do.
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#410818 - 01/31/10 12:31 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Karakazak666]
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Originally Posted By: Karakazak666
Read a book.


You can read a book on it - Stanza gives you all of Project Gutenberg and more. There's a Kindle app as well.

And you can listen to Radio Free Satan on it :-) as well as The Skeptics Guide to the Universe and a lot of other content from people with both education and a lot of actual accomplishment. I also have at least two H.P. Lovecraft related podcasts I'm catching up on.

But I do agree on the other parts - making your contribution to the world, and especially your own world is important.
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#410828 - 01/31/10 05:07 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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I didn't say the market would be regulated by the audience. I haven't said anything about market at all. I was talking about culture in general.

I'm sorry if I side-stepped. I was just elaborating on the subject.

I'm not pessimistic I guess I'm a misanthrope.
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#410830 - 01/31/10 05:15 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Jack_Lantern]
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In the pure evolutionary sense, unfit for reproduction.

I think that's the main problem with our species today, that the individuals that would never reproduce in natural conditions are artificially protected and they reproduce... and reproduce... and reproduce...

Too many billions of people. I think that's the problem.
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#410831 - 01/31/10 05:28 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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If an organism manages to reproduce, from the non-sentient point of view of nature, (which doesn't know or care about artificial protection), it was fit to reproduce, by definition!

It reproduced!

grin

It is all self-correcting; if and when the population exceeds the environments carrying capacity, the population will decrease.

A Satanists job is

A. Simply to stay out of the way when that happens.
and
B. Not allow oneself to get too annoyed until it does!

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#410834 - 01/31/10 06:54 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Quaark]
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Yeah I know. I guess I don't have patience, I can't wait for some natural (or artificial) fail-safe to spring into action and reduce human population back to (hopefully) pre-industrial age levels.

I can't help to get annoyed. They keep bumping into me all the time. I should move to the pop of a mountain or something.
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#410836 - 01/31/10 07:00 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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Most of the Western US has TONS of space to get WAY the fuck away from people.

The issue is planning your shopping trips carefully enough!!!!

"Goddamit, now I have a 50 mile round trip to get one fucking 9 volt battery?!?!"

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#410839 - 01/31/10 07:54 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Quaark]
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Originally Posted By: Daark
Most of the Western US has TONS of space to get WAY the fuck away from people.

The issue is planning your shopping trips carefully enough!!!!

"Goddamit, now I have a 50 mile round trip to get one fucking 9 volt battery?!?!"

grin


Oh, when I finally find my secluded spot, solar power arrays is one of the fist things I'll install.
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#410909 - 02/01/10 11:42 AM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Old_Pig]
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Yikes! It's scary because it's true.
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#410923 - 02/01/10 01:21 PM Re: Finding space. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I am reminded of one San Francisco sorcerer we both know of who slept during the day and enjoyed a virtually empty city during the night.

He had no rush hours to avoid, no traffic jams to endure, no waiting in lines at stores, and so forth.

One key to such things is to first identify what most people do and then choose to not match up with that in what you do.

As Harry Browne expressed it in his 1973 best selling book by the same title, there are methods on "how to find freedom in an unfree world".

First identify "traps" in thinking and behavior that constrain you and then identify alternatives to bypass such traps.

No need to move into the wilderness or 100 miles from the nearest part of urban civilization.

Just look for the unwanted aspects of life as viewed by the herd and you can find many wanted aspects of life that you want.

I am reminded of the humor of the old Charles Addams' cartoons in which the members of the Addams Family simply enjoyed what most others disliked and often disliked what the normals loved.

There is much wisdom to be found in looking at such things from outside the box.

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#410970 - 02/01/10 08:18 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: MALFORM

Lady GaGa rules the world.


He seems to be of the fleeting variety to me, flash in the pan if you will.

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#411025 - 02/02/10 05:32 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: NapalmNick]
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Posts: 380
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Originally Posted By: NapalmNick
If you searched long enough you'd find quite a few gems. Last year Cannibal Corpse released their greatest album to date, Jack White formed a new band called The Dead Weather that are already in the works of a second album, The Mars Volta, plus a whole myriad of other bands/artists you've never heard of before.


I've heard ALL of them.

The Mars Volta is good.The widow is still their best song to date in my opinion

I listen to TONS of metal.I haven't liked Cannibal Corpse since the lead singer became cookie monster and did Six Feet Under.

Heard some of the dead weather,and sure they are okay,but the point I was trying to make is that "mainstream" has destroyed the music industry.The last band that has made a historical impact on music was Nirvana.

After that,there are none.The biggest band out there,right now,is Nickelback.And I hate them.They suck.

As for Lady GaGa being orginal.No.Simply put,she is doing EXACTLY what Madonna did,only using more techno.

We all "like" different types of music.But the likelihood of us seeing another Beatles,Stones,Floyd,AC/DC,Skynyrd,Allman Bros.,CCR,Black Sabbath,etc,are slim and none.And the trend that we are going down now,it is only getting progressively worse.

In the end,we can agree to disagree.

Enjoy listening! And remember:"The video KILLED the radio star"


Edited by ArtAche86 (02/02/10 05:46 PM)
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#411027 - 02/02/10 06:04 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: ArtAche86
The last band that has made a historical impact on music was Nirvana.

With all due respect, that's like saying my asshole made a historical impact when I farted last night.
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#411028 - 02/02/10 06:08 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: NapalmNick]
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OK kiddies.... big mean Mod is about to move this here whole thread into the "special kids" forum for "Dumbass Meaningless Fanboy Arguments About Music Genres About As Different As 3.4785 And 3.4786".

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#411029 - 02/02/10 06:17 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Quaark]
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Okie dokie. I was going to pull out the Magus Gilmore quote about objective principles, but seeing as how Reverend Strongbone's already used it on me it would just be bad taste.

I'll be nice now.
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#411030 - 02/02/10 06:17 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: ArtAche86]
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Quote:
The last band that has made a historical impact on music was Nirvana.


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After that,there are none.The biggest band out there,right now,is Nickelback.And I hate them.They suck.


Quote:
But the likelihood of us seeing another Beatles,Stones,Floyd,AC/DC,Skynyrd,Allman Bros.,CCR,Black Sabbath,etc,are slim and none.And the trend that we are going down now,it is only getting progressively worse.


I'd say that your musical exposure and knowledge is quite limited, which is not a big deal. But being unaware of great musical projects, is no reason to assume that none exist.

The bands you listed are indeed great, but there are many bands just as good, if not better. That of course is up to the listener to decide, but I cannot imagine having such a narrow focus. One thing that I recommend to you is the application "Lastfm" - I have discovered hundreds of new bands while listening to the bands and solo musicians that I already know and love, simply by using the "similar artists" search function made available to you.

Oh, and another neat aspect to "Lastfm" is the user profiles. For instance, if you were to play a Black Sabbath track, other users' profiles that listen to a lot of Black Sabbath will appear for you to browse their play history, which is another way to find music that you might be interested in. As Sylar would say, "you get to pick their brains". I use Lastfm with my iTunes, I'm not sure if it works with other media players, but I assume that it should.







Edited by Poetaster (02/02/10 06:32 PM)
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#411034 - 02/02/10 06:41 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: NapalmNick]
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Originally Posted By: NapalmNick
Originally Posted By: ArtAche86
The last band that has made a historical impact on music was Nirvana.

With all due respect, that's like saying my asshole made a historical impact when I farted last night.


HA! laugh
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#411121 - 02/03/10 05:35 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: Quaark]
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Originally Posted By: Daark
OK kiddies.... big mean Mod is about to move this here whole thread into the "special kids" forum for "Dumbass Meaningless Fanboy Arguments About Music Genres About As Different As 3.4785 And 3.4786".

wink


SWEET!THAT MEANS I GET TO DECORATE ANOTHER HELMET!

Point well taken.
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#411326 - 02/05/10 06:50 PM Re: Moving into the future and the new epoch [Re: TECHNO]
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Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: TECHNO
Do people here believe that in another hundred years, time will still be reference by abrahamic/judeo/christian constraints?


Abrahamic but not Christian. Muslim. They're taking over. Their only real competition is us atheists but we don't have a damn calendar unless you think the CoS one will catch on. Wait! Maybe we could start our calendar with Prehistoric Lucy. We'd be in the year 3.18 Million PL. coopdevil

Or we could date from Darwin's Voyage of the Beagle. He embarked December 27, 1831. So that renumbers December 27, 2009 as Embarking Day, 178 VB. I like it! I bet a lot of biologists around the world would get behind that one. Richard Dawkins for sure.
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