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#411180 - 02/04/10 11:22 AM The government has your baby's DNA
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#411182 - 02/04/10 12:00 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: MissMina1556]
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This certainly would make it easier for cloning too. "Dad needs a new heart. Why did Grandma request his DNA sample be destroyed?"
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#411187 - 02/04/10 12:59 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: Lust]
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Yeah this is old news,and I wonder when exactly people are going to come to the realization that the government can do whatever the hell it wants to.

I think they've demonstrated that point very well.

I don't really mind newborn screening.DNA could be picked up by the government if they really wanted it,and I highly doubt my children are THAT important in the govt's mind.

I hope they use it for criminal investigations in the future,so much so that it sets a new precedent for criminals to be afraid of.

Not endorsing this,by any means. Do I trust the government?NO.Never.Not this one,and not any time soon.
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#411191 - 02/04/10 01:49 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: ArtAche86]
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My gut reaction would be to proclaim "THEY'VE CROSSED THE LINE!", but the sad thing is they crossed that line a long time ago.
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#411199 - 02/04/10 04:03 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: MissMina1556]
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Good for them. If it's something that helps solve future crimes, more power to them. If it's something that might help cure diseases in the future, more power to them.
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#411206 - 02/04/10 05:16 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: MissMina1556]
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OK, as much of a pain in the ass big government can be, this is really not such a big deal. Nearly ninety percent of any given individual's genome is identical to that of every other human. Storing such valuable genetic information can (and most likely will) be a medical goldmine.

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Why do they need to store my baby's DNA indefinitely? Something on there could affect her ability to get a job later on, or get health insurance.

Job? No. It is against United States Federal Law to discriminate concerning employment in regards to medical conditions. There are obvious exceptions like H1N1 and TB, but those will have become a problem long before applying for a job.

Health insurance? Possibly. If American health insurance becomes fully integrated with government-run programs it is almost certain. This is the only bad thing I can say about this.
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#411209 - 02/04/10 05:53 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: NapalmNick]
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A thought just occurred to me:

Uncle Sam doesn't like to play with stem cells because of absurd moral dilemmas, yet he's taking DNA from newborn babies without the parents' consent.

This is why I hate politics.
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#411211 - 02/04/10 06:01 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: M.D. Roche]
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#411217 - 02/04/10 06:56 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: M.D. Roche]
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OK, let me explain something to you. Republicans cater to "conservative" America. This means social conservative issues as well. Which would include moral issues against stem cells. So they put that on their bill regardless of how they personally feel about it. Why?

Because it gets them votes.

President George W. Bush is what most mainstream political pundits on both sides would call a conservative. By his social rhetoric, sure. The Bible Belt loved him because he was a God-fearing, gay hating leader who wanted to end all stem cell research. And Prop 8 was trashed in California the day AFTER Obama was elected.

Bush didn't do much in the way of conservatism at all. In fact, his massive government spending puts him as one of the biggest liberals in American history.

It's all talk.
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#411221 - 02/04/10 08:14 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: NapalmNick]
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Originally Posted By: NapalmNick
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Why do they need to store my baby's DNA indefinitely? Something on there could affect her ability to get a job later on, or get health insurance.

Job? No. It is against United States Federal Law to discriminate concerning employment in regards to medical conditions.


"It's only illegal if you get caught"

If the last eight years have taught you anything about the Untited(laughable)States government,it's this:
They can do whatever the hell they want to.
Laws are just words on paper,and until they have cameras all over the country,making damn sure employers don't discriminate,they will continue to discriminate accordingly.

I've worked at an Oil Investment company that "hires niggers every once in a while,so we don't get in trouble. We fire 'em bouta' week later.hehe."

That's a direct quote.And they get away with it every day.I even tried calling certain agencies about it.Nothing was done.

"You aren't allowed to sell oil to blacks.If they pick up the phone and sound black or they're a woman,hang up." "Why don't we give books to black people?" "Black people don't write checks."

I'm sure you had the purest intentions in mind when you said the above,but a big part of being a Satainst is not seeing some whitewashed vision of the world,but seeing it for what it is.These things happen every day,all across the country.To say they don't,is an absolute act of denial.

All we can do is do everything we can to not just lay here and take it. . .
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#411225 - 02/04/10 08:38 PM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: ArtAche86]
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"It's only illegal if you get caught"

This phrase is invariably uttered by those who are themselves criminal dick heads. You put it in quotes, so understand I'm not implying that you were speaking out of personal experience.

The fact is, it's illegal period. I'll concede that most laws are reactionary. Also, I specified Federal government. You cited something on a local level. With the proper evidence employers will get slammed like there's no tomorrow for shit like that. I've witnessed it first hand. A manager who'd been working for the company loyally for over twenty years got fired on the spot after HR concluded it was possible she fired someone based on race. Granted, said company works very closely to the Federal government, but I think you get my point.

As for the government being able to do "whatever it wants": get real. That's anarchist rhetoric if I ever heard it, and it's only true in places like China and Iran. Sure, the United States is a republic (i.e. not a direct democracy, an indirect one) but just because President Obama wants people to be PC-mouthed and dance the funky chicken doesn't mean it's going to happen tomorrow. Checks and Balances still exist.

Only about 10% of your genome (all of you chromosomes which contain ALL of your genetic makeup) is unique to you. I'd imagine however there were similar disputes when fingerprinting first began. Same deal. Only this one has immense potential for medical breakthroughs.
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#411250 - 02/05/10 12:32 AM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: NapalmNick]
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I didn't know this was happening until now... Normally, I wouldn't focus that much on the government unless it's a big issue in my neighborhood or maybe a national emergency.

I just have too much fun entertaining myself. coopdevil

I say this is quite unnecessary on a personal level.

I agree though on the government having freedom to do whatever pleases them. Did the people assign those in power to their current position? Would this make the government independent if there isn't much activity from the people as far as politics are concerned?

If anything they do would be considered unconstitutional, then everyone has the ability to protest such acts.

There isn't alot of political activity from the people unless you consider a decent quantity of individuals in one place in every city or capital as sufficient.


Edited by LordOfDarkness (02/05/10 12:45 AM)
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#411252 - 02/05/10 12:38 AM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: ArtAche86]
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...a big part of being a Satainst is not seeing some whitewashed vision of the world,but seeing it for what it is.

Another big part of being a Satanist is not accepting anecdotes at face value, and basing conclusions on demonstrable evidence, not just hearsay. wink
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#411261 - 02/05/10 03:52 AM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: ArtAche86]
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Originally Posted By: ArtAche86

If the last eight years have taught you anything about the Untited(laughable)States government,it's this:
They can do whatever the hell they want to.
Laws are just words on paper,and until they have cameras all over the country,making damn sure employers don't discriminate,they will continue to discriminate accordingly.


While some of that is true, I think you just skipped from “government” to “private industry” in the course of one sentence. Just because the government has a piece of information, does not mean that employers will be able to get their hands on it.

You may be getting two different versions of “ The Man ”, mixed up. wink


Edited by John Prophet (02/05/10 03:59 AM)
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#411271 - 02/05/10 06:50 AM Re: The government has your baby's DNA [Re: MissMina1556]
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I think information management/privacy protection/security is the key issue for me. Usually is with medical records; the potential for misuse and human/computer error exists. Information like this could be valuable and I think if there's a way to capitalize on something, people will find it.

So I can certainly understand the misgivings. It has nothing to do with "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about". I just don't like feeling vulnerable or exposed. Who does? But that may be the world we live in.
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