Loc: The Solid State
Previously, I felt the same way as Rev. Daark: to wit, children are loud, smelly, expensive, messy, time-consuming, and annoying, and I need them like I need a hole in the forehead.
But, in the past few years, I've gotten to know and observe some kids in a number of settings--some incredibly neat and interesting, others absolute wastes of good carbon*--and I've thought more about the overall impact I've had on my own parents' lives, and how their lives would be different--better in some ways, worse in others--if I had never been born. So, my feelings around the issue have changed somewhat.
If and when I decide to have offspring, though, I think one rugrat will be more than enough for me .
I knew at ten, and told everyone in earshot, that I would never have children.
Holy crap! I think at ten I was too busy reading about vampires and ghosts (maybe even obsessively so) to think about girls or having children!
Although I liked the last three replies a lot, I'll direct this to you Rev. Daark.
Why do you think that so many people are shocked by a person's choice not to have children?
I'd say that people are also shocked, lesser so perhaps, when someone says that one child is enough.
Do you think it stems from an innate biological imperative to procreate? I'm not sure that I know of any cases where animals control the number of offspring they have, so perhaps the surprise that a "single or no child" response elicits is due to something of that nature?
"It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting sacrificial offerings" - Ellsworth Toohey, Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead p.637
If one believes himself to be the elite, to possess an intellect and abilities above the herd, should one procreate in order to populate the world with superior offspring?
A Satanist's elite status has basically nothing to do with their genes. Never mind congenital diseases like diabetes: anyone versed in the history of the Church of Satan should know that kids don't get "elite genes" no matter who their parents are.
Even if it were genetic, the Satanist doesn't owe the world a better stock.
The more primitive the culture, the more unacceptable not having children is. In Africa for example, it is literally unthinkable.
A childless friend was traveling in rural West Africa, and in one village tried to explain his choice to remain childless. When they finally understood (after hours of incredulous incomprehension), they accused him of being a witch and tried to kill him.
He escaped, and using his noggin this time, at the next village when asked how many children he had (and this will ALWAYS be one of the first questions asked in all of Africa), he lied and said he had SO many children from SO many different women, he really had no idea. Dozens.
They treated him as a God and had access to as many girls as he could have wanted. (Due to HIV, he passed on them all.)
Fertility is and has been revered throughout all of history, for many obvious reasons, both in terms of fulfilling the deepest biological imperatives, and also for reasons of tribal growth and strength.
It is only VERY recently that birth control and awareness of the effects of unrestrained population growth in the civilized societies has engendered ANY awareness of any countervailing positive aspects of reproductive restraint.
Holdovers from the mental processes of all human history will continue to have resonance for a long time.
Loc: The Solid State
Well, and there's more to being elite than just having an impressive genetic code. My overall genetic code probably doesn't make for riveting reading, but I like to think my intellect, my creativity, and my personality more than make up for it.
While I of course want my hypothetical kid to hit the ground with as many advantages and as few disadvantages as possible, my real goal is to give him or her stability, love, and a true sense of self-confidence, and to help foster within him or her a real appreciation for indulgence, logic, and life.
"Gentlemen, the verdict is guilty, on all ten counts of first-degree stupidity. The penalty phase will now begin."--Divine, "Pink Flamingos."
"The strong rule the weak, and the cunning rule over all." HS!
Loc: New England, USA
Originally Posted By: Daark
The more primitive the culture, the more unacceptable not having children is.
I would think that a lot of this has to do with mortality rates, plus the way the culture's economy works. A century or two ago here in the U.S., it wasn't unusual to have a family of 8 or 10 kids. But part of the reason for that was to have extra hands to help you run the family farm, and along with the fact that natural infant/child death was way more common. Not to mention fewer people thinking about college tuition.
Loc: Albany, New York
I pity people who are around my age (24)--and any other age for that matter--whose lives have been complicated or ruined because they either didn't want to "wrap it up" or take birth control. In my opinion, this is the root of inner city crime. Women irresponsibly breed with several "baby's daddys", can't afford to live anywhere other than projects and ghettos, leech off of the welfare system, don't know shit about parenting and don't have a partner to help them. It's no wonder so many kids are joining gangs--they're literally the family they never had. Of course this isn't an excuse by any means, just something to consider.
As for me, I'd sooner castrate myself before having a child. I have enough trouble taking care of myself and my own life. Of course I'm also homosexual, so this really doesn't concern me too much.
Loc: New England, USA
I pity people who are around my age (24)--and any other age for that matter--whose lives have been complicated or ruined because they either didn't want to "wrap it up" or take birth control.
I've seen some horrible reasons by the same demographic for intentionally having children. I've known women who tried getting pregnant to force a man into staying in the relationship with them. I've known couples who never really talked it through, and both just assumed that having children was what the other partner wanted. There's also pressure from "friends" and family members who want to be grandparents. And I've seen people who just assume that establishing a family was just the naturally next thing to do after getting a career and a house.
No sir, no kids for me. I like kids, but it's not for me. I like the way my life is now, and having kids is a huge commitment. For some reason, kids love me and gravitate towards me (probably because of my goofiness), but I don't really want any kids of my own.
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