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#412333 - 02/13/10 03:58 AM Big Bang Machine!
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Some scientists think this will make us understand the universe better.

What do you people think?

I'm asking both scientists, and non-scientists in this forum.

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#412342 - 02/13/10 06:14 AM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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Assuming we're speaking of the Large Hadron Collider at Cern in Geneva;

If I may, Magister (if I recall correctly) Harris had a lovely "Satanism Today" podcast on this featuring soundclips of Stephen Hawking on the Large Hadron Collider.

As for my non-scientist point of view;
I believe that if they can trace bits and pieces of the origin of our existence, then I'm all for it.
Who knows, this knowledge might come in handy some day cool

Edit: the podcast can be found at satanism today podcast 9-9-08.
My apologies for the shameless promotion, I can't help being a huge enthusiast of the show.


Edited by JanusFaust (02/13/10 06:17 AM)
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#412343 - 02/13/10 06:20 AM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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(Heh, I thought this was going to be some strange addendum to the orgasm thread...)

I think I'd rather understand myself better. Got a machine for that? smile
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#412344 - 02/13/10 06:49 AM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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I know of no scientists who think otherwise. Including a top board member of the project I discussed it with a few weeks ago. And I agree with him completely.

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#412368 - 02/13/10 11:08 AM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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It is a better usage of funds than bailing out a bank or giving a stimulus package.

I am a bit shaky on the theoretical science in terms of some of the things quantum physicists suggest. But the collider is a feat of engineering and that is worth it all on its own.
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#412372 - 02/13/10 12:21 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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Even though I knew exactly what this was about when I read the title, I couldn't help but think of a gigantic orgy robot.

And Hadron Collider doesn't look much better. grin

Personally, physics was always easier for me to understand than say, chemistry. Don't ask why. But quantum physics makes my brain start to feel unnaturally warm.

But I'm definitely down for understanding more about the universe. The more I understand about the objective universe the more I understand how it applies to my subjective universe. The root of all wisdom.

And the great thing about science is that it has no ego to bruise when it makes a boo-boo. Like a chain-mail suit, finding a weak link only allows you to fix it. wink

So in short, I am simply amazed when it comes to this stuff, and what it represents about the absolute best aspects of our species.
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#412374 - 02/13/10 02:44 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: NapalmNick]
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Personally, physics was always easier for me to understand than say, chemistry. Don't ask why. But quantum physics makes my brain start to feel unnaturally warm.

Einstein made me mental. The "laymen's versions" don't even begin to give a sense of how truly weird relativity is.
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#412376 - 02/13/10 03:11 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: reprobate]
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Well, consider the author:

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#412385 - 02/13/10 04:09 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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Originally Posted By: LightAngel
Some scientists think this will make us understand the universe better.

What do you people think?

The key word here is "better". What I find hilarious are the Christian creationists and the sensationalist journalists who act as if scientists still haven't learned anything about the physical world, and if experiments "fail" then it would somehow prove the existence of deity by default.
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#412389 - 02/13/10 05:06 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: Bill_M]
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Originally Posted By: Bill_M
Originally Posted By: LightAngel
Some scientists think this will make us understand the universe better.

What do you people think?

The key word here is "better". What I find hilarious are the Christian creationists and the sensationalist journalists who act as if scientists still haven't learned anything about the physical world, and if experiments "fail" then it would somehow prove the existence of deity by default.


Agreed, hilarious!
First thought I had after reading your reply to the thread was a strange article I read awhile ago on the Times Online.

A quote from the article:
“It is based on mathematics, but you could explain it by saying that God rather hates Higgs particles and attempts to avoid them.”

Excuse me? How is that explained again?
Hilarious theory!
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#412398 - 02/13/10 06:28 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: NapalmNick]
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Chemistry tends to be less mathematically heavy. Quantum physics requires partial differential equations and understanding wave functions.

Qualitatively quantum physics is a bit easier to follow than when examined quantitatively and that is saying something.
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#412402 - 02/13/10 06:46 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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To invoke the old cliché, "knowledge is power".

If the history of science is any indication, the advancement of our (humanity in general) understanding about the universe will undoubtedly contribute to new and exciting research throughout the scientific world at large. To what degree, we'll just have to watch the future unfold.

But personally, the idea of advancing knowledge for knowledge' sake is very attractive to me.
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#412407 - 02/13/10 07:12 PM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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A long as is helps the future creation of a commercially available model, I'm all for it. I could really use a machine that creates the Universe.
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#412554 - 02/15/10 06:47 AM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: JanusFaust]
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Originally Posted By: JanusFaust




Edit: the podcast can be found at satanism today podcast 9-9-08.
My apologies for the shameless promotion, I can't help being a huge enthusiast of the show.


He he thank you jack

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#412561 - 02/15/10 08:20 AM Re: Big Bang Machine! [Re: LightAngel]
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Originally Posted By: LightAngel
Originally Posted By: JanusFaust




Edit: the podcast can be found at satanism today podcast 9-9-08.
My apologies for the shameless promotion, I can't help being a huge enthusiast of the show.


He he thank you jack


You're very welcome coopdevil
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