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#412631 - 02/15/10 02:09 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: Branwyn]
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Originally Posted By: Branwyn

That's a common misconception. Women actually had a far higher, more equal standing to men prior to the advent of agriculture. Women were bringing home at least 90% of the food, after all. After agriculture, women's work was considered far less important, and thus women were devalued and lost power.


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Where exactly was it, over 10.000 years ago, that women supported the family, not the men? What was "women's work" over 10.000 years ago?

Should be interesting to hear your history facts as they really differ from those that I get.
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#412639 - 02/15/10 03:40 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: M.D. Roche]
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Originally Posted By: MALFORM
I myself have never been to a strip club, so i can't speak from any experience. I'm much more content staying at home and looking at free porn. I love the internet.

For me, strip clubs and pornography serve two entirely different purposes. Strip clubs have always been more about entertainment, especially within a group setting. They're fun when you're there to celebrate a friend's birthday or bachelor party. Plus, I like the idea of tossing a dollar on to a stage to get a close flash of some woman's tits. It's fun. Though as with any night time event, it loses its fun after a while. I'd have no interest in going daily.

Porn, of course, is for private fantasies. It's for getting off. Though I'm not a huge fan of free porn; I prefer paying extra to get things in good quality, specific to my tastes, and free of any viruses, pop-ups or adware.
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#412640 - 02/15/10 03:55 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: SINClair]
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Anthropologists have shown through scholarly investigation that there is great variation amongst gender roles within hunter-gatherer societies, both presently and historically. Which isn't exciting or surprising in itself, given that different geographical locations tend to breed different cultural biases; the techniques to discover such knowledge is what I find exciting.

Trying to pinpoint exactly how women were treated, or what their roles were in hunter-gatherer societies in general, would be futile without grossly simplifying the issue.

But there is no doubt that at least in some hunter-gatherer societies, women were valued members of the group and treated as equals to the men.

The bibliography alone is a good enough resource.

Also, I recommend: Guns, Germs And Steel by Jared Diamond.

The book isn't expressly designed to tackle the question of gender roles within hunter-gatherer societies, however the subject is covered in detail and offers examples of the interplay between the sexes throughout history.



Edited by Poetaster (02/15/10 04:00 PM)
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#412642 - 02/15/10 04:13 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: Bill_M]
TrojZyr Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bill_M

The reason why feminists hate prostitution is not so much because they think it's "abusive to women". Feminists want men to be emotional slaves, and don't like seeing men having a simple and practical solution to a common problem (men wanting to get some action and willing to pay for it, and women willing to take money for the act).


I think control definitely plays a role, but besides that, I think it's another case of one gender failing to appreciate and understand the other gender's "style" and perspective.

Feminists (or perhaps more accurately, feminazis--since lots of perfectly good and reasonable people casually call themselves feminists nowadays) don't grok how someone can have sex with someone else without being absolutely bathed in oxytocin and lovey-dovey feelings of attachment, and the very idea of attachment-free sex threatens and offends them--especially, since, yes, it means that they don't get to hold all of the cards.

Feminazis and just plain insecure (and typically, young) females alike get freaked out about male masturbation and porno for just about the same reason, I've found.

Now, many good and non-crazy people get on the anti-stripping and/or anti-porn trains out of a sincere concern for women, and an honest hatred of exploitation and abuse. That said, I think most of the leaders at the head of the pack or the movement are primarily motivated by strong envy of the male sex, regardless of their hemming and hawing about abuse.

I do tend to think that legalized, well-regulated prostitution would solve so many of our society's social, legal, and economic problems.

Originally Posted By: MALFORM
I have always held the unpopular opinion that stripping is empowering to women. They have the power to tease men until their balls turn blue, but they'll never let them touch (unless of course you pay extra, but that's only in some clubs). The men sit on the sidelines drooling and panting like pathetic dogs while the stripper gets the satisfaction of reducing those men to such a level. At the end of the night she goes home with a fist-full of money while the men go home broke. Now tell me, who's really being degraded here?


I think it depends on the situation, of course, but, overall, I tend to feel the exact same way. Assuming consenting parties, it's the women who hold the cards and the keys, and the men can only drool and beg for morsels.
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#412644 - 02/15/10 04:20 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: TrojZyr]
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And it's not just prostitution. It's also porn.

One particular femitard referred to pornography with the following sentence: "Women are not meant to be your masturbation accesories."

laugh

I thought to myself, that's one interesting term for a sex partner.
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#412646 - 02/15/10 04:29 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: NapalmNick]
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Originally Posted By: NapalmNick
"Women are not meant to be your masturbation accesories."


They're not???

I guess I learned something today. smirk
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#412648 - 02/15/10 04:40 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: NapalmNick]
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Originally Posted By: NapalmNick
And it's not just prostitution. It's also porn.

One particular femitard referred to pornography with the following sentence: "Women are not meant to be your masturbation accesories."


Well, la-dee-dah. How does she figure, and how does she plan to enforce that little rule?

I've certainly used men as "masturbation accessories." Those people who mind being used as masturbation accessories should a) not appear in porn, b) actively seek out and "advertise for" only sincere and caring romantic partners, and ideally, c) refrain from using others (especially actual sexual and romantic partners) as masturbation accessories. (And, even then, there's still a chance that someone will, without your knowledge or permission, use you as wank-fodder in the privacy of their own home. C'est la vie.)


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#412673 - 02/15/10 07:58 PM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: NapalmNick]
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My main concerned would be getting a gift that keeps on giving more than anything else.

I wouldn't pay for sex anyways. Not even just to have experienced what it would be like to be that pathetic.

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#412701 - 02/16/10 12:49 AM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: CWH]
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Pathetic to one is needed to another, though. The person who commits so much time to study and advancing themselves may not have time to go out and get a girl, and where it is legal if they happen to pay for a sexual release without all the 'courting' involved so to keep their mind on their studies then it serves a purpose. They donít have to be skanks. You can still be epicurean when it comes to prostitutes.


Edited by Skjalandir (02/16/10 06:53 AM)
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#412725 - 02/16/10 07:28 AM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: Marko]
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Originally Posted By: Marko


That is my opinion about prostitution, i'm open for discussion, please, share your thoughts.


Personally, I cannot see a downside to legalizing prostitution. That goes without saying.

BUT...I sometimes see conversation about this topic that is disingenuous. I am not saying that this pertains to this particular thread. Prostitutes will ALWAYS be considered...outsiders, for lack of a better word. Seriously, what would your gut reaction be if you learned your sister was a prostitute? Would I associate with someone who is or was a prostitute? Been there...done that. I have also had false rumors circulate about me, perhaps because of my associations.

So...yes...some things would change if prostitution were legal; but, it would also present other problems. There are no easy answer.
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#412735 - 02/16/10 09:28 AM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: TrojZyr]
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Originally Posted By: TrojZyr
Originally Posted By: NapalmNick
And it's not just prostitution. It's also porn.

One particular femitard referred to pornography with the following sentence: "Women are not meant to be your masturbation accesories."


Well, la-dee-dah. How does she figure, and how does she plan to enforce that little rule?


That reminded me of a local sitcom here that takes place at a TV station. Two of the female employees are telling the sound guy that he is gross (which he is) and he retorts telling them that when he gets home he can think of their breasts and touch himself until he squirts, which leaves them somewhat dumbfounded.

It was especially funny because one of the girls were played by former porn-actor Katja Kean smile
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#412737 - 02/16/10 09:35 AM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: Marko]
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I brought this topic up on The Undercroft and got some surprisingly conservative reactions.

I'm ok with it.
I won't lie, Ive engaged the services of prostitutes before and likely will do so in the future.

I'm replying to this before I read any other replies btw.

Western Australia has a regulated sex industry and so brothels are allowed in certain areas and sex workers are regularly screened for STD's.
Of course there are still illeagle street workers and sexual slavery has been known to have occurred, but when the vice unit of the police actively works with the people involved in this industry rather than against them, those who don't comply with the laws and regulations are quickly rooted out.

Why do I know all of this and why should I care?

The truth is that my own mother works in the sex industry so I've made it my business to know.


Please, no Freudian or Oedipal jokes, it's not it good taste...

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#412745 - 02/16/10 10:07 AM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: CWH]
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I wouldn't pay for sex anyways. Not even just to have experienced what it would be like to be that pathetic.



Oh please, get real. Most men walking the earth have paid for sex in one way or another at some point in their lives. Just cause money didn't blatantly exchange hands doesn't make the statement untrue.
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#412748 - 02/16/10 10:24 AM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: ]
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I think the attitude problem mainly comes from christian influenced midsets.

I have read of pre-christian religions accepting Heirorules 'Temple Prostitutes' as a part of the religious order and then;

'The Hebrew Bible uses two different words for prostitute, zonah (&#1494;&#1504;&#1492;)&#8206;[8][9] and kedeshah (&#1511;&#1491;&#1513;&#1492;)&#8206;.[10][11] The word zonah simply meant an ordinary prostitute or loose woman.[9] But the word kedeshah literally means "consecrated female", from the Semitic root q-d-sh (&#1511;&#1491;&#1513;)&#8206; meaning "holy" or "set apart".[10] Qedesha also became the Canaanite name for their goddess of sex (or perhaps a title for either the goddess Astarte or the goddess Asherah in this role), adapted into Egyptian as Qetesh or Qudshu.[12]

Whatever the cultic significance of a kedeshah to a follower of the Canaanite religion, the Hebrew Bible is quick to connect the term with a common prostitute. Thus Deuteronomy 23:17-18 warns followers:

None of the daughters of Israel shall be a kedeshah, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a kadesh.
You shall not bring the hire of a prostitute (zonah) or the wages of a dog (keleb) into the house of the Lord your God to pay a vow, for both of these are an abomination to the Lord your God.

The religious aspect of kedeshah is underlined by the ancient Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible into Koine Greek, which renders the first verse as a double prohibition, both against prostitution, and against being an initiate of foreign cults:

None of the daughters of Israel shall be a prostitute (porne), neither shall any of the sons of Israel be porneuon;
none of the daughters of Israel shall be an initiate (telesphoros), neither shall of the sons of Israel be a teliskomenos.'
Wikipedia

And This;
'The practice devadasi, as it has come to be seen, and similar customary forms of hierodulic prostitution in Southern India (such as basavi),[34] involving dedicating adolescent girls from villages in a ritual marriage to a deity or a temple, who then work in the temple and act as members of a religious order. Human Rights Watch claims that devadasis are forced at least in some cases to practice prostitution for upper-caste members.[35] Various state governments in India have enacted laws to ban this practice. They include Bombay Devdasi Act, 1934, Devdasi (Prevention of dedication) Madras Act, 1947, Karnataka Devdasi (Prohibition of dedication) Act, 1982, and Andhra Pradesh Devdasi (Prohibition of dedication) Act, 1988.'

Note how the prohibition only really became an issue after India was flooded by christian missionaries...

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#412750 - 02/16/10 10:27 AM Re: A view on prostitution [Re: CWH]
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There is nothing inherently pathetic about hiring a prostitute, unless it is your only means of socialization.

Personally, I have had great luck with both guys and girls. Still, I have to say it is time consuming to find an attractive partner that expresses interest in your particular fetishes. If you are looking for something quick, easy, and with no strings attached a prostitute is an easy fix.
Sometimes, it is best to pay the money upfront to fulfill a specific fantasy than to waste countless hours dealing with people only to see the situation go nowhere.

As a female, Iíve never spent money on a date. But I have spent money on an escort to fulfill a particular fantasy. I didnít waste my time, and received instant gratification. Plus, the whole experience of ďorderingĒ a girl with very specific physical features is something that cannot be replicated in any other situation.
Granted, its not for everyone. But my experience was gratifying.

Don't knock until you tried it.

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