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#418663 - 04/15/10 05:06 AM Lack of perspective
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I’ve got a lot of levels I want to be at in certain areas, but sometimes when things are not getting there fast enough, despite knowing that eventually there will be an end result and everything I am working towards will be worth it in the end, it’s hard not to be overwhelmed by how much there is to do, especially when there is only one life time to do it in.

Now I’m sensible enough to know I just have to keep at it, bide my time and know that eventually if I can indeed cut the mustard, eventually I will. I keep the 6th Satanic Sin in mind at all times, but what I would be interested in is a nudge in the right direction towards some invaluable reading material from wiser Satanists who have gotten to where they want to be and can understand what it is like for a younger Satanist who still has a long way to go and doesn’t want to be bogged down by the ‘average’ mentality that is being drilled into people from a young age.

I don’t to be handed answers on a plate, but I am interested in suggestions of reading material I wouldn’t have thought of or be aware of that can be priceless when it comes to motivation and discipline.
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#418688 - 04/15/10 10:47 AM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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I don't consider myself to be a "wiser" Satanist, but if you don't mind feedback from a young man in a somewhat similar position, perhaps I can be of help.

For inspirational reading material, I find the Satanic Bible to be a wise choice to read every so often. It's easy to get caught up in the mediocrity and herd thinking that surrounds us without even realizing it, and periodically re-reading the Satanic Bible serves for me as a sort of mental tune-up to help me keep perspective.

Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand, is also a good read, if you have time for it (it's 1100+ pages). While I cannot rightly call myself an Objectivist, I immensely enjoyed the story. The premise is: What would happen if all the world's most talented, productive people chose to go on strike and refuse to work, leaving the herd to fend for themselves?

If you're interested in advice beyond reading material, I can share other things that I found personally motivating. Since I don't know the specifics of what you're trying to accomplish, I thought it best in this case to curb my long-winded tendencies. jack
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#418703 - 04/15/10 04:01 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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In addition to Ayn Raynd, I find Friedrich Nietzsche's works inspiring as well. Naturally, I recommend The Antichrist.

Recently I've also read Desmond Morris' The Naked Ape, which I found extremely insightful.
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#418704 - 04/15/10 04:39 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: M.D. Roche]
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Recently I've also read Desmond Morris' The Naked Ape, which I found extremely insightful.

You might want to find his book The Human Zoo as well.

Also if you can get the following books by Robert Ardrey they are worth a read as well
African Genesis
The Territorial Imperative
The Hunting Hypothesis
The Social Contract
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#418706 - 04/15/10 05:30 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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#418722 - 04/15/10 09:25 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Machismo]
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Offhand, I would recommend:

"The 48 Laws of Power," "The Art of Attraction," and "The 33 Strategies of War," all by Robert Greene.

"Zorba the Greek," by Nikos Kazantzakis.

"The Lucifer Effect," by Philip Zimbardo.

"Predictably Irrational," by Dan Ariely.

"The Sea Wolf," by Jack London.

"I Sing the Body Electric," by Ray Bradbury.

"Dandelion Wine" and "Farewell Summer" by Ray Bradbury.

"Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness," by Richard H. Thaler and Cass R. Sunstein.

"Dealing with People You Can't Stand,"
by Dr. Rick Brinkman and Dr. Rick Kirschner.
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#418726 - 04/15/10 09:57 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World by Harry Browne.

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#418728 - 04/15/10 10:10 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Nemo]
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Originally Posted By: Nemo
How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World by Harry Browne.


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#418730 - 04/16/10 12:25 AM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Nemo]
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My copy is in the mail being shipped.

When I checked it out from the library I didn't want to give it back. grin
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#418744 - 04/16/10 03:23 AM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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Fantastic. In looking into some of these titles they are exactly what I need, and others are things I would have never thought about reading about. Thank you all very much.
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#418764 - 04/16/10 08:58 AM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Quaark]
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Originally Posted By: Daark
Originally Posted By: Nemo
How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World by Harry Browne.


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Good luck finding it, though! I had to stalk ebay and Amazon for months before a cheap(er) copy popped up.

But, it was well worth the money and effort, I'd say.
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#418769 - 04/16/10 09:08 AM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: TrojZyr]
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I now have three copies I've found in used book stores for 25 cents each. I've found at least a dozen over the years!

grin

I always pick them up when I see them to give away to friends.

"The Richest Man in Babylon" I put in the same category of "Awesome and Timeless" and buy every copy I run across, although that one is mostly about money.
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#418787 - 04/16/10 11:31 AM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Quaark]
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Lucky ducky. I think the luckiest I've been in that regard is finding a copy of Watchmen at a thrift store for a dollar.

Oh, and come to think of it, my Desmond Morris books came from the thrift store, too.
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#418793 - 04/16/10 12:51 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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Speaking of literature, here's a question I've been meaning to ask for a while:

Dr. LaVey always cited Mark Twain as a significant influence. Which of his works particularly relate to Satanism? Letters from the Earth, perhaps? I imagine he wasn't talking about Tom Sawyer or Huckelberry Finn, though I may be wrong.
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#418795 - 04/16/10 01:03 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: M.D. Roche]
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While some of Twain's works are obviously imbued with blatant Satanic themes, nearly every word he ever wrote has a certain sardonic, sarcastic, wry and cynical flavor that meshes quite well with the broad spectrum misanthropism of Satanism.

Even the "childhood classics".

It's there for those who are primed to look for it, but well under the radar for those who aren't.
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#418804 - 04/16/10 03:16 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: TrojZyr]
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Originally Posted By: TrojZyr

Good luck finding it, though! I had to stalk ebay and Amazon for months before a cheap(er) copy popped up.

But, it was well worth the money and effort, I'd say.


I bought it recently through Amazon at a slightly higher, but not unreasonable price. But it's well worth the money.
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#418890 - 04/17/10 06:55 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: MagisterRose]
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Great recommendations and nice avatar! wink
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#418891 - 04/17/10 07:00 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: HellofallHells]
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Somehow I thought you might like it.

Never tell me I'm "not allowed" coopdevil
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#418939 - 04/18/10 11:27 AM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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I've been reading up on a hero of mine: Musashi Miyamoto, lately and tonight I have been studying his practice of Chan Buddhism (known as Zen in Japan and the West).

A particular quote attributed to Bodhidharma (Daruma) struck me as relevant:

Life is falling down seven times, getting up eight.

Jinsei nanakorobi, ya'oki

Lucifer is the Light of the East.

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#418944 - 04/18/10 12:39 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: TECHNO]
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I just read Machiavelli's The Prince. It's essentially an instruction manual on how to rule an empire. Although it focuses on principalities it can relate to just about any other type of government. Recommended if you're a fan of unconventional, unpopular and ruthless morality. Then again, that goes without saying if you're a Satanist.

P.S. - I just ordered African Genesis from the local library. Looking forward to reading it.


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#418988 - 04/18/10 08:20 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: MagisterRose]
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If I may, Magister Rose, I would also suggest Frans DeWaal's Our Inner Ape. He picks up where Morris left off, and also has the advantage of several more decades of field research since Morris wrote his wonderful books.

A friend of mine read DeWaal's book and immediately realized why she was having some difficulties with her academic advisor for her PhD program -- she adjusted her behavior accordingly, with excellent results!

In addition, I would recommend to the original poster The Art of Rational Living by Albert Ellis.

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#419057 - 04/19/10 08:41 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Isabel23]
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One thing I love about this forum is that I constantly add books to my "to read" list. smile
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#419156 - 04/20/10 07:51 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: M.D. Roche]
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Originally Posted By: M.D. Roche
Speaking of literature, here's a question I've been meaning to ask for a while:

Dr. LaVey always cited Mark Twain as a significant influence. Which of his works particularly relate to Satanism? Letters from the Earth, perhaps? I imagine he wasn't talking about Tom Sawyer or Huckelberry Finn, though I may be wrong.


I found Tom Sawyer to be one of Mark Twain's books that reflected Satanic philosophy the clearest.

Tom Sawyer is all about the application of Lesser Magic, the difference between being born and not made a Satanist, or defacto Satanist, how to use religion instead of being controlled by it... It is a book that illustrates very well how an innate Satanic individual can make the world of sheep their playground. Perhaps you haven't actually read the book throughout? The Satanic tone of it is hard to go amiss.
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#419167 - 04/20/10 08:28 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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Hmm. You can get learn about how to apply dicipline from books but motivation is a different story.

Motivation is the will's little sister. If there's will, there'll be motivation, if there's no will, there'll be no motivation.

When there's motivation you can apply dicipline, but when there's no motivation, you can learn in theory all about dicipline but you can't apply it long enough.

It's like a cycle, one thing leading to another, depending on another, and so it goes.

Perhaps you might want to check if there's any of the main ingredient required to cut the mustard... the will to cut the mustard.


Perhaps what you have in stock is the will to cut the catchup instead, or the mayo, or the barbecue sauce... Always best to double check before going and start chopping things in the kitchen. ;-)
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#419256 - 04/21/10 04:59 PM Re: Lack of perspective [Re: Skjalandir]
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Originally Posted By: Skjalandir
I am interested in suggestions of reading material I wouldn’t have thought of or be aware of that can be priceless when it comes to motivation and discipline.


Knut Hamsun! smile

Og - hvis du klarer å finne den: "Verden og geniet" av Jeremi Wasiutinsky.
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