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#42823 - 06/02/04 10:51 PM Christian preachers
Shakey182 Offline


Registered: 06/02/04
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Loc: UK, England
I come from Gloucester in the UK, and most people of my age group and type hang around a place known as kings square, we go there to enjoy our selves, relax and socialise. but recently a group of Christian preachers have been coming down with speakers and a microphone and preaching about how satan is under them and they have found the true word of god. We have all encounterd these pests on the streets but what annoys us most is they are making a habbit of coming down every saturday (the time when most of us are there) and preaching where we come to get away from people who bother us!

They have many times come up to us handing out leaflets about the church and how if we do not turn from sin we will die and be sent to hell. We have asked them repetedly to stop and leave us in peace but they refuse with answers like; 'were here to help you' or 'come to church, Jesus wants you'. I am new to Satanism and its ways but i am keen to learn and abide and when i have the money to join and by the Satanic Bible, i will.

From a Satanists point of veiw, what would be best to do in this situation. I have read the 11 Satanic rules of the earth but still i am amiss... Will sombody please provide me with advice?
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#42824 - 06/02/04 11:01 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
Old_Pig Offline


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Find another place to have fun with your friends. Preferably a private one (as opposed to a public street) where the annoying preachers can't go to bother you.
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#42825 - 06/02/04 11:16 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Old_Pig]
Shakey182 Offline


Registered: 06/02/04
Posts: 78
Loc: UK, England
Thats hard as there is about 40 - 60 at most and we get kicked off or out of most other places like the cathederal or boots (we were being offencive and violent apparently, which we were not) i just wonderd... like are we now granted to 'destroy them' as stated in the 11 Satanic rules of the earth? I am slightly confused also by the word 'destroy', in what manner would this be?

im not just some stupid kid who dosent know what hes on about, im trying to be as logical as possible.
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#42826 - 06/02/04 11:23 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
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Make them not want to come. In fact, next time you go you and a couple of your friends should bring a dozen eggs each and then throw them at the preachers for such rude and uncalled for behavior.

A couple pies might work as well.

The Devil's Notebook goes into detail on this.
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#42827 - 06/02/04 11:29 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
sCara Offline


Registered: 08/22/03
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Quote:

i just wonderd... like are we now granted to 'destroy them' as stated in the 11 Satanic rules of the earth? I am slightly confused also by the word 'destroy', in what manner would this be?




Why would you and your friends have the right to destroy others because of a public space? If you don't like it, too bad (in this case). With freedom comes the fact that you will not always like what you are exposed to. Either deal with it or find another place to gather with your friends.

40 to 60 kids? Hanging around with very little if anything to do? Sounds like trouble to me.

The way in which DESTROY is used in that particular rule of the earth will 99.99999999999% of the time be figurative, not literal. Your life, nor that of a loved one, is at stake.

I question why you are so quick to "destroy." Sounds as if you will take anything that will "grant" you permission.

Quote:

im not just some stupid kid who dosent know what hes on about, im trying to be as logical as possible.




To show you are not a stupid kid, communicate like a young man, for starters. Also, you will never be able to interact with those that are illogical in a logical manner. It is simply a waste of your time to even attempt.

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#42828 - 06/02/04 11:29 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
Max Rose Offline


Registered: 11/17/03
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Destroy is whatever is both beneficial to you, and legal. Make sure before you do it that it is BOTH of these things or else you are either wasting your energy, or allowing these vermin to ruin your life.

A common choice that I make is outright ignoring a person who is bothering me, it eats them up inside that I don't care.

Your going to have to figure out something witty to get them to leave you alone if you refuse to find a new place to hang.

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#42829 - 06/02/04 11:32 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Insurgent]
Shakey182 Offline


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The thought had crossed my mind many times before i found the CoS, but as i want to be a member of the CoS when i can, i would like to start to folow its rules and guidlines now, thank you for your help
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#42830 - 06/02/04 11:47 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
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Think of it in terms of what you realistically can and cannot do.

You probably cannot afford to grab a torch and burn them all alive.

You probably can find another place to go, unless you feel like you're turning the other cheek.

If you can tell them that they bother you, or you can report their bothersome preaching to someone with enough authority to make them go away, then do it. If you can approach them and humiliate them with common sense, then do it.

Know what you can do, and know what you can't do. Again, think realistically. If you can distinguish between the two in a fairly rational manner, then you've done what anyone would expect of you, and most of all what you expect of yourself.

There may be other options than what I suggest, that you either can or cannot do. If all you can do is walk away, then that is just what the situation amounted to and it isn't anything to let yourself get aggravated over. I might even suggest that a destruction ritual would at least release some of the tension this might be causing you.

Overall, I believe that you have to do what suits you personally. There are guidelines, sure, but there isn't a right and wrong way always.
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#42831 - 06/02/04 11:57 PM Re: Christian preachers [Re: sCara]
Shakey182 Offline


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Quote:

Quote:

Why would you and your friends have the right to destroy others because of a public space?




It says "When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop." - which we have.

"If he does not stop, destroy him." - that is why


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The way in which DESTROY is used in that particular rule of the earth will 99.99999999999% of the time be figurative, not literal.

I question why you are so quick to "destroy." Sounds as if you will take anything that will "grant" you permission.




I am not quick to destroy, that is why i ask in what manner this is ment, in literal terms, metaphoricle or other

I will also not take anything that is granted to me instantly untill studying it and deciding how use this acknolegdement apropriately

(please excuse my spelling)
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#42832 - 06/03/04 12:04 AM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
SilverHammer Offline
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Having been a kid myself (and still being one in many ways), I know that after a group of kids hang out in one place for a long time, they start to feel like the area is "theirs." This leads to them resenting anyone who intrudes "their" space, and the ensuing tension causes all sorts of trouble.
If this is a public area, then these people have as much of a right to be there as you do. If they start to actually cause a disturbance, then you can complain to the police about it and hope for the best (I'm not sure what the laws are governing public behavior in the UK, so you'll have to do your own homework in that area). Otherwise, you will have to either accept their presence, or find somewhere else to socialize.
And I must agree with SCara that 40 or 60 kids together with nothing to do is almost always a recipe for trouble. This isn't to say that all kids are troublemakers or criminals, but herd mentality can spread much faster among youths than other groups. If you have trouble with authority figures, I would suggest decreasing the group's size to perhaps half its current number.

(And as an aside: could you perhaps make your signature banner smaller, so that it doesn't stretch the forum page? Just a personal favor...)


Edited by Dementagram (06/03/04 12:05 AM)
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#42833 - 06/03/04 12:14 AM Re: Christian preachers [Re: SilverHammer]
Shakey182 Offline


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its usualy only about 60 when theres a gig (which is about 5 times a month) on and people come from accross the county, but theres most often about 30 - 40 people average
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#42834 - 06/03/04 12:26 AM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
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A bit of sound advice might be that you follow the many gracious leads that have here been provided.

The realworld may not be so (for)giving.

You are the only one qualified enough to determine if Satanism resonates within you.

Quit wasting your time on 'hanging out' and crack a book that will give you a leg up on your peers. I highly recommend this, as it seems as if you are confused about a few things.

While they're struggling to decide on a place to 'hang', you will actually be accomplishing something of benefit to yourself.
Knowledge is a powerful tool.

If acquired and utilized.

Start here with "Killing Time" , you may find it answers some of your questions. While your there, explore a little. You may be surprised at what you can uncover if you just put forth a little effort.

That essay is in my top five. Enjoy.
And another thanks to Magister Rose for sharing it with the rest of us.

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#42835 - 06/03/04 12:30 AM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
Chaoslillith Offline


Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 150
Loc: Hawaii
Preachers will never leave anyone alone. Perhaps you could print up flyers of your own to distribute to them. Flyers that are clever and explain your beliefs (no infringing on CoS copyrights though hehe). Use some of their words against them, ask them to explain why they think you are sinning? If any of your members has been asked to leave a church group bring up that story. State that Jesus seemed to prefer the company of pagans, heathens and sinners and used them as an example to the rabbis who were distorting god's law.

Or even better, before you go to your park next time take a trip to the local police station and explain the situation and ask a patrolman to come to the park and watch them harrass you. Then take the flyers from them, respectfully listen to them and have your group walk away after about 10 minutes. If they follow you explain that if they continue to do so you will contact the authorities and place a harrassment complaint, take them to court for stalking you etc. Read up a little on your local harassment laws I am sure you could use them in your favor.

YOu should not have to give up your hang out spot to these pests. YOu have every right to be there. I am surprised how many responded by saying find somewhere else to go. If you are not doing anything illegal or disturbing the peace you have more right than those Christians to be there.

Darkest regards and good luck,
Chaoslillith
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#42836 - 06/03/04 01:34 AM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Chaoslillith]
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Perhaps you could print up flyers of your own to distribute to them. Flyers that are clever and explain your beliefs (no infringing on CoS copyrights though hehe).

And the Christians will print others to counter those and so on and so forth... Which will only result in a great waste of paper...

Besides, Satanism doesn't need to be "spread" to the public.
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#42837 - 06/03/04 02:03 AM Re: Christian preachers [Re: Shakey182]
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Always capitalize your "I"s. You say you are a Satanist. Think about it. This is fundamental. If you are still around in a few days, perhaps I will elaborate.


Edited by Agt_Malebranche (06/03/04 02:03 AM)

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