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#435977 - 10/23/10 09:03 AM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: Shade]
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I like the smiley face with the gunshot wound.

I don't eat cupcakes that much at all but... Mmmmm... They look so delicious! So pastey... laugh
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#436000 - 10/23/10 02:31 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: Machismo]
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Originally Posted By: Machismo

There's a sixth type, whose driving impulse strikes a chord for me, despite its obvious irrational element:

6) Bored with Western civilization, they hope a meltdown of the system will make daily life more exciting by making it more dangerous.


Quite! But, at heart, I'd tend to consider those types Wannabe Heroes of a sort, because they're assuming that they are going to be able to triumph in the face of these new challenges.

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What interests me at the moment is to what extent the 2012 meme will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. A worldwide expectation that something very dramatic may happen could cause, through subconscious mechanisms, something very dramatic to happen.


Could be--certainly, in the past, the Rapture-happy evangelicals have seemed quite keen on spreading or allowing chaos and disorder, whether in the form of political unrest, economic meltdowns, or environmental degradation.

But, because so many 2012 predictions are actually quite optimistic, or even, insanely idealistic, people could be inspired to steer things either way.
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#436009 - 10/23/10 04:39 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: TrojZyr]
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That is kind of a really scary thought you brought up here.

I usually do not subscribe to this guys politics but he kind of pointed out this same thing about religious nuts as well. Bill Maher with he's political commentary comedy show Real Time with Bill Maher. Some of he's shows were about this topic, like at least from the insane terrorists Islamic groups who don't mind taking a few extras with them when trying to reach Alla in their martyrdom acts. Bill Maher kind of pointed out these ideas as well during President Bush's administration, about how wacky some got within he's administration, how some reacted to all Muslims in general and that this wild self fulfilling prophecy of a Xian/Muslim Holy War scenario might actually be possible, because all these religious nut jobs want to go to the same place anyway, and who cares if they destroy everything in their path while trying to get there.

Nothing is more dangerous than a group of people deluded who think they are going to go and see god, and those who do not care what damage they will leave in their path from their departure from this World. After all the world is going to burn in fire anyway, does not really matter how much destruction you leave behind anyway right?

I always wondered if you have a large enough group of people all focused on the same general ideas about the rapture, end of days, any other type of apocalyptic scenario, I have wondered if the very events can not some how naturally manifest itself somehow anyway.

I know this is a wild shot in the dark, a world wide religion that worships a Duck coming back to save Humanity, a large enough group that has enough mental minds focusing on this image, I wonder if a bright shiny Duck would not somehow just manifest itself anyway.

The reason I point this out as most xian groups and even the Muslims hold to the notion that in order for their religious prophecies to come to fruition, the whole world either has to be converted to their particular brand of "god" religion. This is the main driving force of Islam currently everyone must convert, those that don't from the very fanatical types should be killed. Xianity did the same thing conversion at the end of a sword, all must convert or die as a non believer. What religious delusion will lead groups of people to do.
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#436029 - 10/23/10 10:40 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: JayLucif]
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Originally Posted By: JayLucif
Bill Maher kind of pointed out these ideas as well during President Bush's administration, about how wacky some got within he's administration, how some reacted to all Muslims in general and that this wild self fulfilling prophecy of a Xian/Muslim Holy War scenario might actually be possible, because all these religious nut jobs want to go to the same place anyway, and who cares if they destroy everything in their path while trying to get there.


Perhaps there will be some holy war between Christians and Muslims. There is a huge gap between the western world and Arabic countries.

Muslim terrorists are dangerous. As regards radical Protestants in America, if they believe that they will be literally "kidnapped" to heaven, it is, certainly, ridiculous. I only wonder what atrocities they commit except holding a different opinion. I know that shouting rubbish in the streets can be irritating but it's a side effect of democracy that we have to put up with.

The overwhelming desire to destroy everything has nothing to do with any religion or ideology, but with human nature. People tend to turn into monsters from time to time, regardless of ideas or beliefs they hold.

We don't know when and how the world will end. Irresponsible politicians can speed it up, so can social unrest. What about anarchist element and violent protests first in Greece and now in France? It seems that many people are tired and disillusioned with democratic systems. It's a bad sign.
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#436039 - 10/23/10 11:45 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: anna]
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Originally Posted By: anna
Originally Posted By: JayLucif
Bill Maher kind of pointed out these ideas as well during President Bush's administration, about how wacky some got within he's administration, how some reacted to all Muslims in general and that this wild self fulfilling prophecy of a Xian/Muslim Holy War scenario might actually be possible, because all these religious nut jobs want to go to the same place anyway, and who cares if they destroy everything in their path while trying to get there.


Perhaps there will be some holy war between Christians and Muslims. There is a huge gap between the western world and Arabic countries.

Muslim terrorists are dangerous. As regards radical Protestants in America, if they believe that they will be literally "kidnapped" to heaven, it is, certainly, ridiculous. I only wonder what atrocities they commit except holding a different opinion. I know that shouting rubbish in the streets can be irritating but it's a side effect of democracy that we have to put up with.

The overwhelming desire to destroy everything has nothing to do with any religion or ideology, but with human nature. People tend to turn into monsters from time to time, regardless of ideas or beliefs they hold.

We don't know when and how the world will end. Irresponsible politicians can speed it up, so can social unrest. What about anarchist element and violent protests first in Greece and now in France? It seems that many people are tired and disillusioned with democratic systems. It's a bad sign.


Apparently there has been a holy war between Christians and Muslims for centuries. It just depends on who instigated the next chapter in that particular feud.

Terrorists are dangerous in any capacity. Muslim, protestant, whatever they call themselves they're out to stir shit up, plain and simple.

To suggest that religion or ideaology are NOT motivating factors in destructive behavior is plainly ludicrous. Man has always created his own gods and often commit atrocities because of there belief. Religion, faith, ideology...a rose by any other name, all of them readilyu serve as the basis of some of the worst acts in human history, or at the very least, a justification.

Political turmoil is nothing new. Governments and countries change hands and systems of rule almost overnight these days. The "sign" it shows is a shift in power, wether through violence or social change. That's all.

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#436058 - 10/24/10 09:21 AM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: anna]
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Originally Posted By: anna
Perhaps there will be some holy war between Christians and Muslims. There is a huge gap between the western world and Arabic countries.


There is no doubt from me there will be in some form or another a Holy War, as they are competing organized religions looking for the same converts. Competing religions always end up in armed conflict, this is unavoidable at least those looking to use religion to murder and kill.

Originally Posted By: anna
Muslim terrorists are dangerous. As regards radical Protestants in America, if they believe that they will be literally "kidnapped" to heaven, it is, certainly, ridiculous. I only wonder what atrocities they commit except holding a different opinion. I know that shouting rubbish in the streets can be irritating but it's a side effect of democracy that we have to put up with.


Terrorists of any strip are dangerous be it religious-Jewish, Muslim, Xian, Political, Economical, Socially Inspired Terrorists, and just the random violent terrorist act. They are all dangerous.

Originally Posted By: anna
The overwhelming desire to destroy everything has nothing to do with any religion or ideology, but with human nature. People tend to turn into monsters from time to time, regardless of ideas or beliefs they hold.


To some extent you are correct large groups of People of any strip can be destructive. Although Organized Religious inspired hatred, racism, and the fear of the dark and moving shadows is 90% of the cases lay at the feet of Organized religion and it's leadership.

Originally Posted By: anna
We don't know when and how the world will end. Irresponsible politicians can speed it up, so can social unrest. What about anarchist element and violent protests first in Greece and now in France? It seems that many people are tired and disillusioned with democratic systems. It's a bad sign.


False we can make an educated guess when the world might end as long as 1- some random universal event such as a collision of this Solar system with another Solar system does not happen and the Earth is totally obliterated in multiple world collisions. 2- a very large asteroid does not slam into the Earth and create an extinction level event. 3- Our Solar system does not get hit by a very close by Gamma Ray burst which has been observed happening in the Universe. 4- that Quantum mechanics along with M - theory/string theory does not really allow for some odd event to happen with this Universal dimension colliding with another Universal dimension, meaning the M membranes or P-branes could collide or ripple into each Dimension causing wave ripples into both dimensions which would result in plausible damage to already existing planets and solar systems, as M - theory allows for Multiple dimensions to coexist at the same moment and in the same space time as many as possibly 12, and a multiple dimension collisions is theoretically possible. If none of these theoretically things do not happen, scientists can make an educated guess of when the End of the World might come which is probable several billions of Earth time years from now.

As for the events taking place in Greece and France being as this is political, and we are not allowed to discuss politics upstairs. You will just have to assume and make up your own mind as to the causes. Although these anarchists events, the wanton random destruction of personal property and clashing with police is hardly the sign of the end times. There have always been violent political unrest, which has only seemed to be growing worse at least since the 1960's which started with the U.S./Western European counter culture movements, and has only seemed to be getting more violent and destructive because of the TV airplay. As Reverend Marilyn Manson stated the "Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised." Stop watching TV or reading the mass media news, watch and observe every day the daily movements of people and you will see what you have been lied to about from the mass news media, and what is really true going on in the world. The TV is the new God of the people. The One eyed Cyclops.

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#436068 - 10/24/10 12:16 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: inky]
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Originally Posted By: inky
To suggest that religion or ideaology are NOT motivating factors in destructive behavior is plainly ludicrous. Man has always created his own gods and often commit atrocities because of there belief. Religion, faith, ideology...a rose by any other name, all of them readilyu serve as the basis of some of the worst acts in human history, or at the very least, a justification.


To some extent I agree with you. Certainly, any religion or ideology can cause conflicts. It is also true that people have always needed some kind of religion or ideology. The world without religion is hard to imagine, if people get rid of religion some utopian ideology takes its place, be it communism, national socialism or anything else. Even atheism is a religion, especially its branch, secular humanism. This is why they need rituals, I bet that in the near future they will start building their own temples.

I see a positive side of all religions and mythologies as they cause the development of culture and civilisation. I see the cause of all the conflicts mainly in human character, in their animalistic instincts that are very often outside control. Religion is only a pretext.

Imagine there are no wars, no crimes, no social conflicts. This would be the world without humans.
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#436071 - 10/24/10 12:39 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: anna]
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"Imagine there are no wars, no crimes, no social conflicts. This would be the world without humans."

Bullshit!


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#436076 - 10/24/10 01:07 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: Lust]
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This is only one side of the coin. Here is the other one

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#436081 - 10/24/10 01:20 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: anna]
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Originally Posted By: anna
Originally Posted By: inky
To suggest that religion or ideaology are NOT motivating factors in destructive behavior is plainly ludicrous. Man has always created his own gods and often commit atrocities because of there belief. Religion, faith, ideology...a rose by any other name, all of them readilyu serve as the basis of some of the worst acts in human history, or at the very least, a justification.


To some extent I agree with you.


I'm surprised you would even need to add the "to some extent" qualifier. The original quote was the unholy truth.

Originally Posted By: anna

It is also true that people have always needed some kind of religion or ideology.


This sounds oddly similar to something I read in the Satanic Bible. coopdevil

Originally Posted By: anna

The world without religion is hard to imagine, if people get rid of religion some utopian ideology takes its place, be it communism, national socialism or anything else.


Exactly. This is why people label things like Maoism as religion. I don't think I would quite call it a religion, but it is clear that the latent masochist inside of so many humans will find its master in almost any circumstance. There's surely a reason Kim Jung Il's devotees don't need religion. They already get a full dose of submissiveness to their "god".

Originally Posted By: anna

Even atheism is a religion, especially its branch, secular humanism. This is why they need rituals, I bet that in the near future they will start building their own temples.


Atheism by itself is not a religion. I think it would be more accurate to say that atheism can be treated like a religion, or at least simple dogmatism. Some atheists are very dogmatic about their beliefs.

Originally Posted By: anna

I see a positive side of all religions and mythologies as they cause the development of culture and civilisation. I see the cause of all the conflicts mainly in human character, in their animalistic instincts that are very often outside control. Religion is only a pretext.


There's a positive side to just about anything. But if you have a serial killer (like religion) on trial, I'm not wasting my time pointing those things out.

In our "animalistic instincts"? Sure, that is a cause for much conflict (and often the kind of conflict that serves a productive purpose). But it is the very "unnatural" inclinations of man that makes him "the most vicious animal of all." Religion is more than just a pretext.

Originally Posted By: Tier Instinct
"Imagine there are no wars, no crimes, no social conflicts. This would be the world without humans."

Bullshit!



Don't forget about the infamous ant wars. No social conflicts? Check out gorillas, wolves, anything pack-based...


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#436089 - 10/24/10 02:11 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: anna]
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Originally Posted By: anna


To some extent I agree with you. Certainly, any religion or ideology can cause conflicts. It is also true that people have always needed some kind of religion or ideology. The world without religion is hard to imagine, if people get rid of religion some utopian ideology takes its place, be it communism, national socialism or anything else. Even atheism is a religion, especially its branch, secular humanism. This is why they need rituals, I bet that in the near future they will start building their own temples.

I see a positive side of all religions and mythologies as they cause the development of culture and civilisation. I see the cause of all the conflicts mainly in human character, in their animalistic instincts that are very often outside control. Religion is only a pretext.

Imagine there are no wars, no crimes, no social conflicts. This would be the world without humans.


Anything can become a religion. It's easy to relate a driving force in anyone's life as some kind of worship, again, a rose by any other name, regardless of how it's defined.

If any sect of humans decided to build a temple it would most likely be for the tax breaks.

Religion and mythologies aren't the only driving force in development. As you've said, and I stated earlier, they are a pretext, or atleast a justification.

Seeing the positive side doesn't negate the means employed to acquire the result. Take Hilter for example. Widely considered one of the most evil men in history...was also a vegetarian and had a fonderance for Disney movies. No one has judged him by what he thought of Mickey Mouse. Actions, instead of ideaology, were what was considered.

All this really boils down to the duality of human nature, but as the old saying goes, "No one remembers what you did right."

No wars, crimes, or social conflicts? Are you serious? All three things could be readily applied to a family of apes or a pack of wolves. A war over territory, something snuck in and stole all the food, the alpha and the beta don't get along and constantly fight over control of the pack. Humans just took these ideas to the nth level and made them global. A lack of humans wouldn't stop any of these things.

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#436114 - 10/24/10 04:23 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: anna]
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I see a positive side of all religions and mythologies as they cause the development of culture and civilisation.


Some religions are so hell bent on going backwards. Christianity being one of them. Civilization survives through adaptation and change.
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#436129 - 10/24/10 05:46 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: LordofDarkness]
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Unfortunately the world is now ending on 21st oct 2011.

[url=ebiblefellowship,.com/may21/index.html]ebiblefellowship.com/may21/index.html

Apparently we will be surrounded by the bodies of billions of resurrected, unsaved individuals for five months.
Might be a stink over this.
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#436132 - 10/24/10 05:50 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: munt]
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Originally Posted By: munt
Unfortunately the world is now ending on 21st oct 2011.

[url=ebiblefellowship,.com/may21/index.html]ebiblefellowship.com/may21/index.html

Apparently we will be surrounded by the bodies of billions of resurrected, unsaved individuals for five months.
Might be a stink over this.





Ah, crap. There goes all my plans. wink
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#436141 - 10/24/10 07:23 PM Re: End of Earth Postponed [Re: LordofDarkness]
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Originally Posted By: inky

Terrorists are dangerous in any capacity. Muslim, protestant, whatever they call themselves they're out to stir shit up, plain and simple.


Wholeheartedly agreed--however, I am concerned about the particular threat Islamic terrorists pose at the moment, because, increasingly, it seems as if one cannot speak as candidly about one's concerns and fears around Islamofascism, without either being told to hush up before we all get killed, or being accused to being anti-Muslim.

See: South Park; the firing of Juan Williams from NPR.

Otherwise, yes, when you're talking about any and every type of extremist imaginable, you're talking about a rose by any other name.

Originally Posted By: anna
The world without religion is hard to imagine, if people get rid of religion some utopian ideology takes its place, be it communism, national socialism or anything else.


Precisely. Human beings will always require some means of discovering purpose and creating meaning in their lives, and some means of organizing themselves, each other, and their world.

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I see a positive side of all religions and mythologies as they cause the development of culture and civilisation.


Yes, religions and myths have often been the inspiration for artistic, scientific, and technological advancement and refinement throughout human history--though, to be sure, other sources of inspiration also exist, and religion and myths have sometimes inspired people to flee or suppress advancement or progress, as well. It's a double-edged sword.

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I see the cause of all the conflicts mainly in human character, in their animalistic instincts that are very often outside control.


Yes--but, remember, these instincts have also helped us to survive and thrive throughout the ages. Those instincts are the reason we as individuals and we as a species are here today. Another double-edged sword.

And, if animal instincts are the tinder, then ideology is, in many cases, the spark that lights the fire.
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