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#439310 - 12/04/10 01:13 AM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: SINClair]
Delta Offline
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Yeah, how dare that degenerate scumfucker compliment you while doing his job? You were right to ignore him instead of saying "No thank you," and moving on. That'll show him to be nice and work for a living. That worthless asshole!

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#439332 - 12/04/10 08:44 AM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Delta]
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Exactly, Delta. The nerve of some folks.

Witch TrojZyr made some excellent points and my mindset is very similar. Compliments are an essential tool for the Satanist, if learned how to use properly, both in giving and receiving them.

I always tend to want to blush and look away when someone compliments me, my first natural reaction is to be self deprecating. I eventually learned to hold my head high, look someone in the eye and genuinely thank them with a smile. If someone was genuine in their compliment, then they truly deserve a small kindness thrown back to them. If they were being sarcastic or were trying to dig for something else, then they walk away thinking they've gotten one over on me. Of course, I'm fairly good at detecting the intent and can make note of it. Let folks think I'm clueless, it puts me in a much more powerful position in the end.

I'm pretty free with my compliments in my day to day life, they serve me well in the workplace and in general contact with people. Like Witch TrojZyr already stated, I find they work best when they come from a place of honesty. I've got a woman in the workplace that reminds me of a loud, painted up rhino in heels, but if I take five seconds to compliment her on her dainty and simple necklace with a warm smile and a conspiratory nod of approval, I've made her day and have an ally that won't soon forget how wonderful I can be. A couple of these a week and you've got yourself an army of people willing to go to bat for you when you need it, and everyone eventually needs it. The bank teller will always assist you in a speedy manner, the cashier at the store always brightens to see you, and your following sincerely WANTS to go out of their way for the person that makes them feel great when they least expect it. They don't forget, just as I don't forget when someone goes out of their way for me.

I typically tend to withhold praise when I find someone is blatantly an attention seeker or a braggart. The devil in me enjoys withholding my praise when the rest of the room is feeding the monkey, especially when I see their eyes flickering to me in expectation, as I stand silently with a small smile and my eyebrow slightly raised. Honestly, though, most of the time I find nothing wrong with just taking a couple of minutes to say a few words to make someone smile when they need it, or hell, just because I CAN. I am secure enough in myself to know that it doesn't make my horns any less sharp or dangerous.

I may have a sharp tongue at times and can be known for my unadulterated commentary in any given situation, but the power of kindness and charm is not lost on this Witch. There is no better way to enchant a room.
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#439333 - 12/04/10 09:58 AM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Bruja]
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I typically tend to withhold praise when I find someone is blatantly an attention seeker or a braggart. The devil in me enjoys withholding my praise when the rest of the room is feeding the monkey, especially when I see their eyes flickering to me in expectation, as I stand silently with a small smile and my eyebrow slightly raised. Honestly, though, most of the time I find nothing wrong with just taking a couple of minutes to say a few words to make someone smile when they need it, or hell, just because I CAN. I am secure enough in myself to know that it doesn't make my horns any less sharp or dangerous.



I would make a post about how I feel, but then, I would be copying what you said here. I don't mean to hang on to what you posted and leave it at that, as if I don't have a view of my own, but it seems silly to re-write what has already been written. smile
In short, I couldn't have said it better myself! grin
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#439339 - 12/04/10 12:41 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Delta]
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The fact that I was wearing head-phones, and sun-glasses, not to mention walking fast, should already had been a clear sign of "no, thank you".

Some people do not wish to be approached and clearly show, people doing their job on the streets with survey, should approach the approachable kind, not the ones who clearly wish to be left alone to get on with their own business, with compliment or no compliment.

I do appreaciate an honest compliment however, and as funny as that may sound to some, I seem to get that kind from people who are not looking to get anything from me other than what they already have.

PS: Working for a living is a normal thing to do, working for a living is not "being nice".
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#439341 - 12/04/10 01:05 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Bruja]
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Originally Posted By: Bruja
Like Witch TrojZyr already stated, I find they work best when they come from a place of honesty. I've got a woman in the workplace that reminds me of a loud, painted up rhino in heels, but if I take five seconds to compliment her on her dainty and simple necklace with a warm smile and a conspiratory nod of approval, I've made her day and have an ally that won't soon forget how wonderful I can be.


You must be then either a really good actress, or your co-worker does not require compliments to come from a place of honesty, like yourself. Or maybe she does also require compliments to come from a place of honesty like yourself, and perhaps you are just thinking you are making an ally when in fact, nothing could have changed. Only the two of you would of course, have the answer to that question.
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#439345 - 12/04/10 02:47 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: SINClair]
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Sunglasses aren't nearly enough to show you don't wish to speak. If you want to display to people that you don't wish to speak, here's a suggestion that should come across clearly:


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#439346 - 12/04/10 02:50 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Delta]
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Certainly not the sun-glasses alone, if only, but the sun-glasses in addition to head-phones and fast-paced walk, would clue in anyone with the slight bit of common-sense.
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#439347 - 12/04/10 02:58 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: SINClair]
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I know I just really wanted an excuse to use that picture I made. Took me several seconds in Photoshop grin
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#439349 - 12/04/10 03:03 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Bruja]
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Originally Posted By: Bruja
A couple of these a week and you've got yourself an army of people willing to go to bat for you when you need it, and everyone eventually needs it. The bank teller will always assist you in a speedy manner, the cashier at the store always brightens to see you, and your following sincerely WANTS to go out of their way for the person that makes them feel great when they least expect it. They don't forget, just as I don't forget when someone goes out of their way for me.


Bingo. Exactly. You can never have too many people in your corner, I figure. (Maybe you can have the wrong people in your corner, but that's another discussion entirely.)

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I typically tend to withhold praise when I find someone is blatantly an attention seeker or a braggart.


Right--and that includes people who fish for compliments by self-flagellating.

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Honestly, though, most of the time I find nothing wrong with just taking a couple of minutes to say a few words to make someone smile when they need it, or hell, just because I CAN. I am secure enough in myself to know that it doesn't make my horns any less sharp or dangerous.


True indeed.

Oh, and while I'm always polite to sidewalk-canvassers, I'm getting pretty tired of them, and when I can reasonably avoid or bypass them by pretending I'm in a terrible hurry, or pretending I can't see or hear them, I do.

Just the other day, a guy approached me, and tried to recruit me to his iglesia. I was very nice, but Ay, mierda!. He eventually gave up when it was clear that I was only getting a sixth of what he was saying. On the bright/funny side, it's the first time someone's ever called me mamacita.

Though, now that I think about it, I've actually been known to use them when I just feel like making conversation with someone who'll be a captive audience, because most of them will humor me, in hopes I'll sign their petition or join their religion. It's definitely manipulative and exploitative on my part, but hey, they started it wink.

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#439351 - 12/04/10 03:42 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: SINClair]
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on my way down the road this survey fellow attempts to stop me on my track, saying how good the morning seemed to be to him and requesting if he could have a minute of my time, to which I have ignored and carried on my route down the road.

On my way back, now walking up the same road, I walk passed the same survey fellow who this time round, attempts to get me to stop me on my tracks, with a different approach... this time he throws into his lines, a couple of "compliments".


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The fact that I was wearing head-phones, and sun-glasses, not to mention walking fast


I don't mean to nit-pick or over analyze, and this could be quite off topic, BUT, may I inquire as to how you heard this man with your quick feet and headphone covered ears? confused


Edited by Indae (12/04/10 03:43 PM)
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#439352 - 12/04/10 03:53 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: SINClair]
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In your haste to speculate, I'm afraid you've missed the point of my example entirely. ( If there were an eye-rolling emoticon, I would strategically place it right here.)

My description of her was fairly colorful. Note that I did not compliment her heavy handed make-up application, earth shattering tone of voice or poor level of physical fitness that is sadly accentuated by her wildly ostentatious choice of clothing and footwear. Instead, I found something that I genuinely appreciated about her appearance and let her know. It was honest, and since she does not receive a great amount of positive attention in the workplace, it made her happy to hear kind words.

The point is that if your observation skills are keen, you generally don't have to be full of shit to say something nice. Hope that clears things up for you, it's a pretty simple concept.

p.s.Though my skills were not needed in this particular situation, I do happen to be a sensational actress.
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#439354 - 12/04/10 04:01 PM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Zsche]
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Sycophant:

I think of Paul Lassiter who is played by, Richard Kind, on the show Spin City.


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I’m not talking about kissing everyone’s ass, but in the correct situation – where deserved – expressed admiration goes a long way to manipulate your immediate environment when there are intentions of achieving a goal.


"Deserved" or not when seeking a goal if one needs to say something like "Hey Boss, have you been working out?" even if there is no indication the result will still be the same. Timing is critical in this situation in order to gain a positive and lasting response.
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#439379 - 12/05/10 02:20 AM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Zsche]
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I tend to only praise those who are in some position to help me, or give me stuff, like a good report at work, or free this, that, or the other. I've become rather adept at manipulation, and I feel: so what? I'll butter up that chump! To me it's just another survival tool- nothing to get all "INTELLECTO" about! Sycophancy is lesser magic, and easily mastered. devilchili devilchili devilchili
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#439380 - 12/05/10 02:28 AM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: ookiesoup]
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>> I tend to only praise those who are in some position to help me, or give me stuff, like a good report at work, or free this, that, or the other. I've become rather adept at manipulation, and I feel: so what? I'll butter up that chump! <<


If someone is in a position of success, they're hardly a "chump"

A successful person knows that others want something from them and would see through you instantly.

When some kid writes to me and wants to send me their writing I know it's only because they think I can help them get published because they haven't yet worked out how to do that for themselves.

I was in that position many years ago. I never once pestered other writers. I worked it out for myself - in the days before the internet when getting published was infinitely more difficult than it is today.

I will help someone of I can see they have genuine talent. If they just have attitude and no ability I won't.

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#439391 - 12/05/10 05:04 AM Re: Sycophancy as Lesser Magic [Re: Zsche]
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>> please describe how you are a Sycophant in your daily life.<<


Why would I do that and dissolve any powers I have? grin

There is a common vein running through this thread. People boasting of how clever they are at manipulating others.

How they do it. Why they do it. And the signs to look for when they're doing it.

Now I ask you, if they were that clever would they really divulge all such information?

One thing to always look out for is people who manipulate others for no other reason than they need to feed a weak ego. Manipulating others serves only to feed their sense of unworth, to give them a personal semblance of power over others.

These types are transparent and once seen through (yes, they can get away with it for a limited amount of time) sooner or later they can't pull their stunts with anywhere near the adeptness they believe they possess.



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