Doctor LaVey called the hippie movement psychedelic vermin due to their collectivist leftist ideologies, altruistic values, oneness spiritual pipe dreams, egalitarian principles, herd behavior, rampant drug use, and Marxist-christian peace and love that ended up being way to self-destructive. No wonder satanism and hippiedom do not mix well. The Church of Satan was a genuine alternative to the hippie movement and took a stand against all herd conformism and institutionalized thought, from good guy badge wearing protesters to conservative life-denying christianity. So what are your views on the white light spirituality hippie and new age movement?

You already pretty much summed it up by commenting on LaVey's views. So I'm not sure why you're asking; I don't know if you're expecting to hear too many different takes on this.

"New-Age" is a rather vague term that includes pretty much anything from reading horoscopes to getting acupuncture. Sometimes bookstores will even file The Satanic Bible in the New-Age section. I think it's good that people can find an outlet for their perceived "spiritual" nature without having to take in the bogus dogma found in more traditional religions. In that sense, it offers healthy competition. Of course much of it is still based on some of the same fundamental BS "heal the world" dogma and good-guy badges. Not to mention the pseudo-science.

Some of us Satanists have of course been able to work this to our advantage. I've bought altar supplies of sorts from New-Age shops. I can also say that I've made literally thousands of dollars by marketing certain goods and services within the "New-Age community".

As for "the hippie movement", again this is a broad category that includes a lot of different things. It was great that there was a sexual revolution and challenges to certain unfounded orthodoxies, but as LaVey pointed out, there's nothing Satanic about drug culture or being a free-loader. Some people are under the delusion that hippies were about peace and love, but as any political or satire cartoons from the period will show you, that was far from the case.

By the way, the term "LaVey Satanism" or "LaVeyan Satanism" is a redundancy. Before Dr. LaVey and the Church of Satan, there was no known organized religion called "Satanism" with practitioners who identified themselves as "Satanists". So we've got dibs on the name, Satanism. Devil worshipers are devil worshipers, not a "different kind of Satanist".

I don't feel a need to be "up" on these kind of things and since I'm not trying to win souls there is no need to debate or dicuss white light spirituality. That's pretty much my 2 cents on it.

I had to do it

Nice tee Reverend, if it were only in black...

Touché Reverend.

Okay, I'm done. We wouldn't want this to become redundant. *insert rimshot here*

Goddamn it I should not have been drinking water while going through this thread! You guys are hilarious!

Here's a photograph I took myself sometime last fall. Yep, it's a Automatic Teller Machine machine. Stick in your card, and enter your "PIN number" (Personal Identification Number number).

It doesn't discriminate against users who may be LaVeyan Satanists, gay homosexuals, or old elderly.

This is a true fact. Consider it an added bonus.

They make them in black too, and a dozen other colors:
http://www.noisebot.com/department_of_redundancy_department_t-shirt

I'm partial to the khaki myself.

I'd question the existence of any such "movement". As far as the so called hippies go, I suspect that the phenomenon was by and large created by sensationalistic media displays of various scandalous musicians (and other artists) in combination with some really rather atrocious fashion trends. There is another important thing to consider as well: Most people who lived through the times didn't actually belong to any "movement", let alone actually do anything of any significance, but you can expect them to tell tall stories about the legends from their youth all the same.

Perhaps I'm personally biassed but I have serious problems with thinking about people as "group identities". They're just people to me, one by one. Sure enough, most of them are *facepalm* inspiring morons (who can never the less often have some amusement value), if even that (I find that more often than not people are simply boring zombies who lead mind numbingly dull lives), but I don't see that being a dedicated follower of fashion any "movement" makes.

To sum it up, I'll submit to you that the entire "hippie movement" can be boiled down to perhaps one hundred people (who were movers and shakers), maybe even less. The rest is just media hype and fearful spectators, in conjunction with people who simply make shit up aferwards. Significant events at the time such as The Vietnam War, The Paris Riots and The Prague Spring should be seen isolated from the trends of the time.

That's actually quite funny. If I ave understood this correctly, the "gay" movement was something of the 70s, intended as a positive embracing of homosexuality rather than the traditional fear and shame complex.

On the lighter side: In the 1953 movie "From Here To Eternity" you can observe Montgomery Clift, playing the character Private Prewitt, casually entering The Gay Room upon his arrival at the Hawaiian Navy Base. Some common gay fantasies notwithstanding, I'd think that they have now changed the name of those recreational areas at American naval bases.

Oh, I thought all LaVay satanist had to wear black.

Mine and Citizen Prometheus' views are expressed on the track The Black Dragon Conclave [A Manifesto]. Available and free to preview at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/tierinstinct

Well, it's good to know that redundancy can be indiscriminate!

Visualize Whirled Peas


I think they make great pets, if somewhat high-maintenance.

Though not as trainable or fastidious as chimpanzees, they bear the advantage of not requiring an exotic pet permit.

To Tier Instinct: I really appreciate your music and will definitely research those tunes on a deeper level in the near future. I used to love bands like S.P.K, Test Department, Throbbing Gristle and old school Einstürzende Neubauten. Thank you for posting your musical samples, I really appreciate it.

The id instincts Eros and Libido and the carnal self versus spiritual pipe dreams right?

Damn some of you dudes are really funny. First of I am not from an English speaking country and therefore have some difficulties expressing myself the proper way, but I am working to improve my English language skills.

I made a typing error and meant LaVeyan satanism, and no I do not consider The Temple of Zet, Order of Nine Angels (ONA), The Luciferian Light Group or any home spun black metal devil worship ideology, as satanism at all.

I'm sorry that I was stating the obvious to you guys, but at least I gave you a good laugh with my silly rant. Anyway, what I wanted you experts to answer was the following deeper issues:

1. What were LaVeys views on Charles Manson being credited for ending the hippie movement?

2. LaVey seemed to prefer the 1940's in a lot of ways, did he have reactionary tendencies when it came to for example political issues? He wanted a police state where the weak where rooted out, right?

3. Did doctor LaVey agree with the hippie movement when it came to their views on free sexuality and the sexual revolution?

Hi,

I'm no "expert" but here is an idea, I'd like to recommend that you read the essay entitled Satanism the Feared Religion from the Satanic Scriptures by High Priest Peter H. Gilmore. This essay is available here Church of Satan.Com Here is a quote that I enjoy. "The philosophy of Satanism is delineated in the writings of Anton Szandor LaVey. His books include The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, The Satanic Witch, The Devil’s Notebook and Satan Speaks. All are currently in print and should be consulted by anyone interested in a complete picture of the views held by the Church of Satan."

Perhaps this could be considered "expert" advice, after all consider the source.

Redundant. There is only one Satanism, it was codified and defined by Anton LaVey in 1966 when he founded the Church of Satan.



The answers you are looking for are within the various books printed by the Church of Satan and its members, primarily the Satanic Bible. I will say that a police state is anti-Satanic because such states are only interested in what the state wants, not the individual. Magus Gilmore explained that in his essay The Fascism Question, which is found in his book The Satanic Scriptures

Questions 1 & 2 I do not know the answers to (although I can guess!). Your phrasing of the questions are highly suggestive.

As for number 3, he answers it in detail the Satanic Bible. Ultimately, he was unconcerned with "movements" that promote notions of sexuality that do not account for individual preference. If you are naturally monogamous, it would be unSatanic to engage in orgies; the opposite is also true. "Free Love" does not account for the strong sense of personal responsibility that Satanism does.

Satanists get to examine and explore their own sexuality without the idealized trappings of a movement, political or otherwise.

From all I've seen - i.e. his books, videos, etc. - Doktor LaVey was extremely pragmatic in his political views; realising, of course, that it's all ultimately about a social contract which basically states that I'll leave you alone to do whatver you bloody well please (within reason) as long as you'll do the same for me -- and then we should all cooperate to finance and handle such tasks as can reasonably be said to be "community interests" (police, fire brigade, etc.). It need not be much more complicated than that.

As far as "the police state" concerns, I suggest you think in terms of livestock. If you were a farmer, would you want to root out all your chickens and cows simply because they were unable to play chess and discuss philosophy with you? Of course not. You'd want to keep them because they are useful to you - but you'd want to keep them under watch as well, so that they in their moronic ways don't knock down the whole building and kill eachother, and this is really all that "law and order" is about.

As the other gentleman hinted at, there are however quite the number of people who in "the state" see a sort of secular God concept, i.e. an all-powerful and quite imaginary construct of the mind that you should "serve". This is what people normally mean when they talk in terms of totalitarian ideals and the police state - but this whole idea is unedible to a Satanist (who craves personal freedom).

The 1940s aesthetical preferences are just a question of personal tastes. If I'm not much mistaken, Doktor LaVey was quite fond of Film Noir and the fashions that came with that; and Film Noir had its heyday during the 40s.

The 1940s aesthetical preferences are just a question of personal tastes. If I'm not much mistaken, Doktor LaVey was quite fond of Film Noir and the fashions that came with that; and Film Noir had its heyday during the 40s.

And lets not forget, he was born in 1930.

More than just personal taste though, aesthetics, in every aspect, is an important component of Magic.

Although I was born at the very end of the 50s, I also have an ever growing fascination with all things American between the very specific period of 1945 (immediately after WWII) to 1958 (just before Sputnik was launched, the beginning of the Modern Era).

This corresponds roughly with the Golden Age of noir films.

One of the best ways to appreciate this era is by listening to the old hard-boiled detective and crime noir radio shows of that time - of which thousands still exist and can be downloaded in MP3 form for free from www.archive.org.

My MP3 player usually has only about ten songs, but hundreds of half hour noir radio dramas. At about 10MB per half hour, it is a very economical use of solid state memory.

The writing and acting and sound effects were amazing, and I am always perplexed at the lack of interest of most in this mostly forgotten part of American heritage.

That specific period possesses a magic that will never be repeated.

Your beautiful description of them is the best teaser, and as long as there are people, who spread the word about those magical radio creations, they won't become forgotten.

I thought this was hilarious!

I liked this one:

http://files.sharenator.com/redundancy_gun_Just_a_few_redundacy_motis-s400x320-58576.jpg