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#459071 - 08/27/11 11:12 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Unknown]
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So what happens when the tasks of today become so simple that they aren't challenging anymore? How then does one build their sense of ego gratification?


The same way they did when computers came out. It created lot's of complex problems that needed solving. Be it system crashes, viruses, spam, porn addiction, etc. The new technology creates new problems, as well as new areas to explore and make even further advancements in, therefore giving ego gratification to those who conquer these things. Such as newer more advanced computers. Nobody stopped when the first personal computer came out just because it made things a little easier. We wanted even easier, and certain people did that by doing hard work that took alot of time and resources for these things to begin to be developed.

With more technology, there are more problems, and more areas for improvement. Certain individuals will rise to the occasion and exploit these tools in new found ways, creating even better technology, thus making life easier/more complex, and the cycle repeats.
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#459150 - 08/28/11 05:44 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Bill_M]
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Actually, most of those things have nothing to do with "evolution". Evolution is a biological science, and it's confusing when it's used to mean other things within a talk about science. Though this is hardly the first time Kurzweil has abused the term.


Thanks for the clarification.
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#459153 - 08/28/11 06:03 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Quaark]
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I regard the state of "being bored" as a catastrophic failure of intelligence and character - the meta-milieu it occurs in is irrelevant.


Now that is going to be one of my favorite quotes!
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#459154 - 08/28/11 06:05 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: AdamBomb]
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I think as conscious beings, we will adapt to whatever new comes into this world. I also think we would adapt much better than our previous generations because we are more open-minded and maybe even less sentimental about things.


I do agree with this. In fact that is one the things Kurzweil speaks about. That as technology begins to feed upon itself the only way to eventually keep up with it will be to merge with it. So out ability to adapt will largely depend upon that.
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#459156 - 08/28/11 06:10 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Hawkface]
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You make all very good points. One question about something you stated if I may,
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In the evolved mind it must come from the discovery and conquering of new technology.


So what happens when this technology supersedes our own and we can no longer can conquer such technology? I am not certain if you have seen the film but Kurzweil as well as many others think that the future of A.I. will be even more powerful than we are. So powerful that we will become obsolete compared to them.
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#459159 - 08/28/11 06:24 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Liberterius]
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Are we really any more bored than people in industrial Western countries back then, because we have less material labor to do?


Not exactly. But the future Kurzweil explains is a whole lot more advance than what we have done in the past 50 years as well. So really the ramifications are left unexplored in my opinion. But I agree with Rev. Daark's statement about those who are bored are bored no matter what.
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#459160 - 08/28/11 06:33 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Here's my prediction. (This is the potted version, but I have much more):


Really I would love to hear what you have to say.

Here is why.

Ray Kurzweil has made some accurate predictions in his book The Age of Intelligent Machines.

His predictions are documented.

So I would dare ask you what predictions have you made that have come to pass? After all track records speak for themselves.

Thanks.
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#459162 - 08/28/11 06:45 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Well not exactly.

I guess what I am curious about is how we can continue to push our human will when we begin to not only use technology but eventually rely upon it? Hmm an example perhaps.

An olympic runner trains 6 days a week in order to push himself to extremes in order to win. He trains, trains, and trains even more. He discovers his "no quitting" attitude. The day of the big race they dominate the competition and feel enormous gratification from it.

Now in the future nanobots are available. Someone who hasn't trained a day in their life can out run this olympic runner. This olympic runner uses the nanobots they now no longer feel the gratification of accomplishment through work since anyone can do it as well. I hope this helps.
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#459169 - 08/28/11 07:33 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Unknown]
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Ray Kurzweil has made some accurate predictions in his book The Age of Intelligent Machines.


You believe everything that he says, without question?

That type of open credulity is reminiscent of a particular subset of humanity.

Is Ray Kurzweil the second coming of Jesus Christ? He seems to be worshiped and declared infallible by his fans/followers in quite the same fashion.

There's no doubt that Ray Kurzweil is a brilliant man, but as all futurists go, I've never seen him utter the words "oops, I was wrong"--and he has been. The problem with buying into Ray Kurzweil completely and without the slightest reservation, is that the confirmation bias will bite you in the ass every time.

For someone who has the ear of so many influential people, shouldn't his errors be critically evaluated and mentioned in the same sentence as his vaunted successes? It has always struck me as borderline disingenuous when his disciples fail to honestly critique his failures.

“I figure lots of predictions is best. People will forget the ones I get wrong and marvel over the rest.” –Alan Cox

My prediction: I'm not going to win many fans with this post.



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#459170 - 08/28/11 07:50 PM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Poetaster]
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Actually I am glad you posted something counter to what I had. I actually learned from that link.

I don't follow Kurzweil like he is a prophet but nonetheless he has made some pretty good predictions. And when it comes to making technological predictions he is one of the best. So I see nothing wrong with looking into what he is saying and thinking it is quite possible.
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#459279 - 08/30/11 12:11 AM Re: Triumph of the Ego Through The Will. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Originally Posted By: Rev_Strongbone
Ah, yes. Ray Kurzwell's predictions of a technological utopia.

Here's my prediction. (This is the potted version, but I have much more):


Everything will eventually come down to the lowest common denominator. By 2040 the great, starving unwashed will have reached plague proportions and will subsequently deplete all funds available that would otherwise be used for the advancement of the human race.

Any funds that are available will be ploughed into a massive nuclear war will all but reduce the developed world to rubble.

Don't start me on Kurzwell and his twaddle. grin


There are easy ways to stop this and that is get rid of the stupid laws that make it more of a crime for someone to protect their property than for criminals to threaten others lives. At one time it was perfectly acceptable to kill those that would steal your horse, the same should hold true for stealing someones ability to survive. However in many countries that is not the case and low lives in society know this and do harm many each and every day. That is why I stay out of Mexico, and other similar 3rd world countries. That is where criminal gangs rule the place, where it is not uncommon for people who earn 50K or more a year to be kidnapped.

Personally I would like to see it where people that can't support themselves not be allowed to have children, and people caught killing people for their glasses should have their head cut off and put up on a spike for everyone to see, as a warning to others that would kill others for what they have. But in this country and many others I don't see such things happening, as the laws protect the thieves breaking into peoples homes from the owners more so than not.

In other words I tend to agree with you, after all it is legally more acceptable for a Muslim to take a backpack with explosives onto a bus and blow people up, than to shoot him in the head for trying such a stunt.
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